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[European Federal Union]

The ending would then be a scrippted one, as the nation would split in half some nations going to the old and some to the democratic government, while a larger central island would be split in half and then pose as the main tension point

Hmm. I already have my Sylvarian Civil War thread, with my intent being to create a split country between an Arakhkharan controlled north and an independent Democratic aligned South.

Of course, more flashpoints are always necessary for a good cold war.

I mean, it could also end up as a government victory, with the start of a democratic insurgency

[British Arzelentaxmacone]

Mmm. So what does the ISD actually hope to achieve in Somalia?

Stabilizing the region, and harming Daevan influence by curbing their vassals. Yes, Luxembourg has left - but the Daevan foreign legion remains.
Also, to gain effective domination over the Gulf of Aden. Somalia is strategically important, and, by holding it, we can cut off access to the Suez canal if we really needed to.

I see. Would BA be able to help govern the land?

[Arakhkhar]

Stabilizing the region, and harming Daevan influence by curbing their vassals. Yes, Luxembourg has left - but the Daevan foreign legion remains.
Also, to gain effective domination over the Gulf of Aden. Somalia is strategically important, and, by holding it, we can cut off access to the Suez canal if we really needed to.

I see. Would BA be able to help govern the land?

We’re going to be acting mainly through proxy militias - and through Volkovogradian/Jundlandi mercenaries, and through a puppet general. If BA has any mercenaries, they could join - but I think they’d be better placed fighting TGEC.

The main way that BA can help is diplomatic - keeping Somalia insulated from Communist influence and intervention. We are also, of course, all getting economic concessions…

Still, not planning on colonizing it.
Did you have anything in mind for how BA could help beyond that?

[Arakhkhar]

Hmm. I already have my Sylvarian Civil War thread, with my intent being to create a split country between an Arakhkharan controlled north and an independent Democratic aligned South.

Of course, more flashpoints are always necessary for a good cold war.

I mean, it could also end up as a government victory, with the start of a democratic insurgency

Unloads PWV-53 Psychochemical Warfare Vehicle
Counterinsurgencies are our specialty.

[British Arzelentaxmacone]

I see. Would BA be able to help govern the land?

We’re going to be acting mainly through proxy militias - and through Volkovogradian/Jundlandi mercenaries, and through a puppet general. If BA has any mercenaries, they could join - but I think they’d be better placed fighting TGEC.

The main way that BA can help is diplomatic - keeping Somalia insulated from Communist influence and intervention. We are also, of course, all getting economic concessions…

Still, not planning on colonizing it.
Did you have anything in mind for how BA could help beyond that?

Well, funding is possible, we would be happy to fund any local proxy militias as you said. In return, the government would like the ability to govern small areas of Somalia in a non-colonial way, more as a means of protecting and defending parts of land from foreign intervention.

[European Federal Union]

Would you mind elaborating? Such a thing would be interesting, no doubt.

Well, it would be an civil war on a fictional island nation, between the Authocratic national government and a collection of pro democracy militias and rebbel fighter. Both of these would be roughly equal in strengh, and spread across diffirent islands. People intervening would just be alowed to send a battalion worth of infantry and a small naval detachment, the fight would then be focused on island hopping through speedboats and helicopters and fights of smaller infantry formations without much support from things such as artillery or heavy vehicles, while weather and jungle coverage would limit the effecitveness air strikes or sattelite reccon

Azmeny agreed, so I will work on setting it up

[Assassins BrotherHoodd]

I have no more colonies and I don’t want to get turn into atoms so .I will no longer colonize:3

[Guavalandia]

Start of my new storyline.

[Greater Marine]

Start of my new storyline.

As an IRL German, I'm kinda sick of the assumption that Germans are innately authoritarian, and are only pretending to want democracy and peace whilst waiting for the next opportunity to build a new empire - to me, it is a lazy and untrue stereotype. Most Germans find the AFD abhorrent - polling at 18%, they have far lower support than the far right in many other countries in Europe and elsewhere - and are hated by many Germans. Everyone I see NS nations with names such as "EisenReich of Kriegsblut" or whatever, it makes me cringe - I mean Germany's been a nation state for 153 years, and a democracy for in total for 88 of them. Democracy is not alien to Germans - indeed, out of the 3 4 political systems Germany has had, democracy was the only one that ever returned, and the longest lasting by miles. The Germany I know - the Germany I grew up in - is a liberal, peaceful and democratic state populated by people, who, for the most part, are sane and ordinary. Most Germans dislike militaristic nationalism - even to the extent that it causes serious issues due to military underfunding - and I think that this stereotype like all other ethnic/national stereotype, belongs in the past with the regimes that inspired it.

I grew up in Germany - with democratic, liberal values I cherish to this day. I do not parade around with big flags or call to annex helpless nations nearby - so why can't Germany in NS have such people?

The war is over, and the Nazis have fallen- and yet no-body seems willing to believe that.

[Guavalandia]

Start of my new storyline.

As an IRL German, I'm kinda sick of the assumption that Germans are innately authoritarian, and are only pretending to want democracy and peace whilst waitingfor the next opportunity to build a new empire - to me, it is a lazy and untrue stereotype. Most Germans find the AFD abhorrent - polling at 18%, they have far lower support than the fsr eight in many other countries in Europe and elsewhere - and are hated by many Germans. Everyone I see NS nations with names such as "EisenReich of Kriegsblut" or whatever, it makes me cringe - I mean Germany's been a nation state for 153 years, and a democracy for in total for 88 of them. Democracy is not alien to Germans - indeed, out of the 3 4 political systems Germany has had, democracy was the only one that ever returned, and the longest lasting by miles. The Germany I know - the Germany I grew up in - is a liberal, peaceful and democratic state populated by people, who, for the most part, are sane and ordinary. Most Germans dislike militaristic nationalism - even to the extent that it causes serious issues due to military underfunding - and I think that this stereotyp,e like all other ethnic/national stereotype, belongs in the past with the regimes that inspired it.

The war is over, and the Nazis have fallen- and yet no-body seems willing to believe that.

There’s going to be a much deeper story to my new project, very complex indeed. I understand and respect your point, but hey, I’m going to make it work. What I just posted is not a stereotype; it’s just a man with ambitions. I love the Germans and believe they are all peace-loving individuals, whom I deeply respect. Please don’t assume that I would make stereotypes against a group of people I deeply care (love) about.

[Assassins BrotherHoodd]

Start of my new storyline.

As an IRL German, I'm kinda sick of the assumption that Germans are innately authoritarian, and are only pretending to want democracy and peace whilst waiting for the next opportunity to build a new empire - to me, it is a lazy and untrue stereotype. Most Germans find the AFD abhorrent - polling at 18%, they have far lower support than the far right in many other countries in Europe and elsewhere - and are hated by many Germans. Everyone I see NS nations with names such as "EisenReich of Kriegsblut" or whatever, it makes me cringe - I mean Germany's been a nation state for 153 years, and a democracy for in total for 88 of them. Democracy is not alien to Germans - indeed, out of the 3 4 political systems Germany has had, democracy was the only one that ever returned, and the longest lasting by miles. The Germany I know - the Germany I grew up in - is a liberal, peaceful and democratic state populated by people, who, for the most part, are sane and ordinary. Most Germans dislike militaristic nationalism - even to the extent that it causes serious issues due to military underfunding - and I think that this stereotype like all other ethnic/national stereotype, belongs in the past with the regimes that inspired it.

The war is over, and the Nazis have fallen- and yet no-body seems willing to believe that.

Exactly I’m not German I’m Swiss but as a fellow European I’ve been to Germany.and there no authoritarians.especially Americans think Germany still are Nazis .

[Greater Marine]

As an IRL German, I'm kinda sick of the assumption that Germans are innately authoritarian, and are only pretending to want democracy and peace whilst waitingfor the next opportunity to build a new empire - to me, it is a lazy and untrue stereotype. Most Germans find the AFD abhorrent - polling at 18%, they have far lower support than the fsr eight in many other countries in Europe and elsewhere - and are hated by many Germans. Everyone I see NS nations with names such as "EisenReich of Kriegsblut" or whatever, it makes me cringe - I mean Germany's been a nation state for 153 years, and a democracy for in total for 88 of them. Democracy is not alien to Germans - indeed, out of the 3 4 political systems Germany has had, democracy was the only one that ever returned, and the longest lasting by miles. The Germany I know - the Germany I grew up in - is a liberal, peaceful and democratic state populated by people, who, for the most part, are sane and ordinary. Most Germans dislike militaristic nationalism - even to the extent that it causes serious issues due to military underfunding - and I think that this stereotyp,e like all other ethnic/national stereotype, belongs in the past with the regimes that inspired it.

The war is over, and the Nazis have fallen- and yet no-body seems willing to believe that.

There’s going to be a much deeper story to my new project, very complex indeed. I understand and respect your point, but hey, I’m going to make it work. What I just posted is not a stereotype; it’s just a man with ambitions. I love the Germans and believe they are all peace-loving individuals, whom I deeply respect. Please don’t assume that I would make stereotypes against a group of people I deeply care (love) about.

No, I understand. By the way, is that what you've created all these alta for? I meant it's interesting how this could develop, sure.

[Greater Marine]

As an IRL German, I'm kinda sick of the assumption that Germans are innately authoritarian, and are only pretending to want democracy and peace whilst waiting for the next opportunity to build a new empire - to me, it is a lazy and untrue stereotype. Most Germans find the AFD abhorrent - polling at 18%, they have far lower support than the far right in many other countries in Europe and elsewhere - and are hated by many Germans. Everyone I see NS nations with names such as "EisenReich of Kriegsblut" or whatever, it makes me cringe - I mean Germany's been a nation state for 153 years, and a democracy for in total for 88 of them. Democracy is not alien to Germans - indeed, out of the 3 4 political systems Germany has had, democracy was the only one that ever returned, and the longest lasting by miles. The Germany I know - the Germany I grew up in - is a liberal, peaceful and democratic state populated by people, who, for the most part, are sane and ordinary. Most Germans dislike militaristic nationalism - even to the extent that it causes serious issues due to military underfunding - and I think that this stereotype like all other ethnic/national stereotype, belongs in the past with the regimes that inspired it.

The war is over, and the Nazis have fallen- and yet no-body seems willing to believe that.

Exactly I’m not German I’m Swiss but as a fellow European I’ve been to Germany.and there no authoritarians.especially Americans think Germany still are Nazis .

I live in Britain. Things are even worse there. You know I have actually had my chair defaced with Swastikas? Or the things people have accused me of?

[Guavalandia]

There’s going to be a much deeper story to my new project, very complex indeed. I understand and respect your point, but hey, I’m going to make it work. What I just posted is not a stereotype; it’s just a man with ambitions. I love the Germans and believe they are all peace-loving individuals, whom I deeply respect. Please don’t assume that I would make stereotypes against a group of people I deeply care (love) about.

No, I understand. By the way, is that what you've created all these alta for? I meant it's interesting how this could develop, sure.

Yes, a fourth empire will emerge. I love the Germans URRGHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Assassins BrotherHoodd]

I love how people don’t blame France or Britain for what they have done in their past.

[Assassins BrotherHoodd]

Exactly I’m not German I’m Swiss but as a fellow European I’ve been to Germany.and there no authoritarians.especially Americans think Germany still are Nazis .

I live in Britain. Things are even worse there. You know I have actually had my chair defaced with Swastikas? Or the things people have accused me of?

I’m curious what’s your opinion on Prussia? They were Democratic. In its past then switched and then they became democratic again

[Greater Marine]

No, I understand. By the way, is that what you've created all these alta for? I meant it's interesting how this could develop, sure.

Yes, a fourth empire will emerge. I love the Germans URRGHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think if you really wanna make this complex rope in lots of your other alts. No nation exists in a vacuum, and these actions will have a huge impact, especially on European nations, and perhaps on relations with the two superpowers (the US and China).

[Guavalandia]

I have a deep affection for the German people, and it pains me greatly to hear them labeled as authoritarian or Nazi bastards. Such words feel like a sharp blade piercing my heart; they disgust me and reflect a degenerate mindset. My love for Germany, or ‘Deutschland,’ runs deep.

[Assassins BrotherHoodd]

I mean the German empire was bad to wasn’t as bad as the third Reich.but what about the Holy Roman Empire?

[Greater Marine]

I live in Britain. Things are even worse there. You know I have actually had my chair defaced with Swastikas? Or the things people have accused me of?

I’m curious what’s your opinion on Prussia? They were Democratic.

It's complicated. I mean prussian militarism was disturbing, but Germany at this time also bloomed intellectually. I also think it is interesting how Prussia, and later the German Empire pioneered things like social health insurance, unemployment benefits and passport checks.

[Greater Marine]

I mean the German empire was bad to wasn’t as bad as the third Reich.but what about the Holy Roman Empire?

Don't know much about it, I'm afraid but they did have some cool looking beer glasses.

[Guavalandia]

Yes, a fourth empire will emerge. I love the Germans URRGHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think if you really wanna make this complex rope in lots of your other alts. No nation exists in a vacuum, and these actions will have a huge impact, especially on European nations, and perhaps on relations with the two superpowers (the US and China).

Yeah, it’s about trying to bring back an empire in modern-day Europe. Hermann’s super keen on it, even though it would be easier with his political clout. I’ll share more about his backstory in future posts.

[Assassins BrotherHoodd]

One reason I chose Luxembourg is one reason what has Luxembourg done?

[Greater Marine]

I have a deep affection for the German people, and it pains me greatly to hear them labeled as authoritarian or Nazi bastards. Such words feel like a sharp blade piercing my heart; they disgust me and reflect a degenerate mindset. My love for Germany, or ‘Deutschland,’ runs deep.

No, I understand you fully I agree. Anyway, I give you my blessing for this RP project - I'm certainly curious as to how it will develop!

[European Federal Union]

Start of my new storyline.

As an IRL German, I'm kinda sick of the assumption that Germans are innately authoritarian, and are only pretending to want democracy and peace whilst waiting for the next opportunity to build a new empire - to me, it is a lazy and untrue stereotype. Most Germans find the AFD abhorrent - polling at 18%, they have far lower support than the far right in many other countries in Europe and elsewhere - and are hated by many Germans. Everyone I see NS nations with names such as "EisenReich of Kriegsblut" or whatever, it makes me cringe - I mean Germany's been a nation state for 153 years, and a democracy for in total for 88 of them. Democracy is not alien to Germans - indeed, out of the 3 4 political systems Germany has had, democracy was the only one that ever returned, and the longest lasting by miles. The Germany I know - the Germany I grew up in - is a liberal, peaceful and democratic state populated by people, who, for the most part, are sane and ordinary. Most Germans dislike militaristic nationalism - even to the extent that it causes serious issues due to military underfunding - and I think that this stereotype like all other ethnic/national stereotype, belongs in the past with the regimes that inspired it.

I grew up in Germany - with democratic, liberal values I cherish to this day. I do not parade around with big flags or call to annex helpless nations nearby - so why can't Germany in NS have such people?

The war is over, and the Nazis have fallen- and yet no-body seems willing to believe that.

Also most of the peole that vote the AfD or generally far right parties, dont do it because they like the parties, but instead as protest against the current government.