[IC] Unwilling Belligerent (Vietnam War)

[Democratic East-Asia]

Yes, but your FT nation is absolutely out of the question.

Well, I stated my nation's info for both just to give everyone an idea, since this isn't FT, I'll just the stats for non-FT Eclius (yes, I do have two governments for Eclius, one for FT one for MT and PMT)

Economically I used cold war stats. High GDP per capita then would be considered quite low now (if you just go by numbers)

[Grand Vietnam]

Oh, you need to move this to the P2M thread, not International Incidents. P2M is for non-NS roleplay.

this is NS roleplay. It has to deal with his nation's history.

It might have to do with China's history, but the fact that the entire RP takes place in an alternate world makes it P2M, not I2.

[Chinese Peoples]

this is NS roleplay. It has to deal with his nation's history.

It might have to do with China's history, but the fact that the entire RP takes place in an alternate world makes it P2M, not I2.

No, this isn't a simple alternate history RP; it's part of my nation's canon, and hopefully will be good enough to be part of yours.

[Nations United for Conquest]

It might have to do with China's history, but the fact that the entire RP takes place in an alternate world makes it P2M, not I2.

No, this isn't a simple alternate history RP; it's part of my nation's canon, and hopefully will be good enough to be part of yours.

This is an RP invovling NS nations on a world map, with people taking up certian predermined places on the world map.

[Eclius]

It might have to do with China's history, but the fact that the entire RP takes place in an alternate world makes it P2M, not I2.

No, this isn't a simple alternate history RP; it's part of my nation's canon, and hopefully will be good enough to be part of yours.

Nah, I'm RPing with alt. dimension Eclius, so no matter how it ends it will not affect the "real" Eclius

[Chinese Peoples]

No, this isn't a simple alternate history RP; it's part of my nation's canon, and hopefully will be good enough to be part of yours.

Nah, I'm RPing with alt. dimension Eclius, so no matter how it ends it will not affect the "real" Eclius

Oh well, you're RPing as Eclius, so this goes in II.

[Eclius]

Nah, I'm RPing with alt. dimension Eclius, so no matter how it ends it will not affect the "real" Eclius

Oh well, you're RPing as Eclius, so this goes in II.

II????? What does II mean?

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

I'd quite like to RP as my own nation of Vionna-Frankenlisch, our history fits in both with this rp and the actual history of the world so... why not?

Player's name: Vionna-Frankenlisch
Nation name (official): The United Kingdom of Vionna-Frankenlisch
Nation name (short): Vionna-Frankenlisch
Military strength (active): 550,000
Military strength (reserve): 3 Million
Strengths: Large, advanced fleet of mainly capital ships. Very industrialised with a good economy and lots of well equipped troops.
Weaknesses: Corrupt government with a complicated democratic system. Very bad airforce of prewar aircraft, very few submarines and only two carriers. Most land forces are untested in battle.
Capital: Frankenlisch
Leader/head of state: King Albert I Turrell
Head of government (if different from HeadState): Prince Richard Turrell, Prime Minister
Minister of Foreign Affairs (or equivalent): Sir Horace Dudley
Minster of Defense (or equivalent): Earl Phillip Mercer
GDP in dollars: Total GDP: $89,000,000,000,000, let me know if this is okay for the time period, taking into consideration how massively industrialised Vionna-Frankenlisch is.
Government type: Imperial Constitutional Monarchy
Economic system: Mixed Free Market Economy
Alignment: Unaligned as we are just ending our own version of ww2 in Magna Europa.

I would control Magna Europan Nations but they are unlikely to play much of a role in the war, the map of Magna Europa is below, on the real world map it would be located between South America and Australia.

Magna Europa, the map is unfinished, of course.

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

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Also I know those military numbers are large but when we take the Soviet Union's and Germany's into consideration and the fact that like most nations, we are enforcing conscription, it seems less unthinkable.

[Chinese Peoples]

Oh well, you're RPing as Eclius, so this goes in II.

II????? What does II mean?

International Incidents

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

Nation name: The Grand Duchy of Nova Capile
Nation short name: Nova Capile
Place on map: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that all my territory has been taken; basically I have a fictitious island in the middle of the Indian Ocean, with colonies in India, Yemen and Oman, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea and Djibouti. I'd be willing to relinquish India and Arabia, but I'd like to keep the East African ones.
Head of state: This is set in 1975, right? If so, than Grand Duke Johann I- wait. If the Axis won a bitter peace then it would have been Grand Duke Hans XVI, but he'd be about 88.
Head of government (if separate): ^
Minister of foreign affairs or equivalent: Wilhelm Stauß
Minister of defence or equivalent: Hans Grüber
Government system: Absolute Monarchy
Economic system: Capitalism
GDP per capita: Umm... Can I just put an economic level, I don't really want to do a lot of math right now. I would say my economy recovered decently from WW2 and is on the rise.
Tech level: Due to the fact that we were a colony of German before independence after WW2, we are only a few years behind them in technology.
Military size (active): About 800,000
Military size (reserves): About 2,000,000
Military branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, SS
Alignment: Axis

This is a very alternate version of my country, so I'm making a lot of things up as I go along. In my history Hans XVI shot himself a few hours after Hitler and the Allies swooped in and set up an elected government with the Grand Duke as a figurehead. The Royal Family slowly planted seeds of dissent against the civilian Chancellor, and when he retired there was a referendum that resulted in a landslide monarchist victory. Then began Nova Capile's rise to power.

For more info on this and my relationship with Germany, check here:
http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Nova_Capile

[Eclius]

Nation name: The Grand Duchy of Nova Capile
Nation short name: Nova Capile
Place on map: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that all my territory has been taken; basically I have a fictitious island in the middle of the Indian Ocean, with colonies in India, Yemen and Oman, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea and Djibouti. I'd be willing to relinquish India and Arabia, but I'd like to keep the East African ones.
Head of state: This is set in 1975, right? If so, than Grand Duke Johann I- wait. If the Axis won a bitter peace then it would have been Grand Duke Hans XVI, but he'd be about 88.
Head of government (if separate): ^
Minister of foreign affairs or equivalent: Wilhelm Stauß
Minister of defence or equivalent: Hans Grüber
Government system: Absolute Monarchy
Economic system: Capitalism
GDP per capita: Umm... Can I just put an economic level, I don't really want to do a lot of math right now. I would say my economy recovered decently from WW2 and is on the rise.
Tech level: Due to the fact that we were a colony of German before independence after WW2, we are only a few years behind them in technology.
Military size (active): About 800,000
Military size (reserves): About 2,000,000
Military branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, SS
Alignment: Axis

This is a very alternate version of my country, so I'm making a lot of things up as I go along. In my history Hans XVI shot himself a few hours after Hitler and the Allies swooped in and set up an elected government with the Grand Duke as a figurehead. The Royal Family slowly planted seeds of dissent against the civilian Chancellor, and when he retired there was a referendum that resulted in a landslide monarchist victory. Then began Nova Capile's rise to power.

For more info on this and my relationship with Germany, check here:
http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Nova_Capile

Yay!!!!! Nova Capile is also here woooooooo whooooooooo

[Democratic East-Asia]

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-$89,000,000,000,000

Dude, this is the 70s / maybe 80s. The whole world wasn't that rich.

[Chinese Peoples]

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-$89,000,000,000,000

Dude, this is the 70s / maybe 80s. The whole world wasn't that rich.

We're actually starting in '64~'65.

[Democratic East-Asia]

-$89,000,000,000,000

Dude, this is the 70s / maybe 80s. The whole world wasn't that rich.

We're actually starting in '64~'65.

I'll edit my stuff then.

Still, 89 trillion is pushing it a lot.

[Chinese Peoples]

We're actually starting in '64~'65.

I'll edit my stuff then.

Still, 89 trillion is pushing it a lot.

USA GDP in 1965 was (nominal) around 700 billion, which is less than 1% of the postulated value. I'll set my GDP to 1400 billion, but my country has 700 million people around 3.5 times that of the USA, so on a personal basis we are not as well off as the Americans IRL.

[Democratic East-Asia]

I'll edit my stuff then.

Still, 89 trillion is pushing it a lot.

USA GDP in 1965 was (nominal) around 700 billion, which is less than 1% of the postulated value. I'll set my GDP to 1400 billion, but my country has 700 million people around 3.5 times that of the USA, so on a personal basis we are not as well off as the Americans IRL.

Aterria was roughly equal to the USA in terms of GDP. Population was some ~290 million then.

[New Wondour]

So...what have you guys been discussing? Did I miss anything important?

[Parcia]

We have a accepted CIA (me) So i'm going to assume there is a preexisting USA.

[New Wondour]

We have a accepted CIA (me) So i'm going to assume there is a preexisting USA.

You are going to be the CIA? Oh...this is going to be fun...

[Parcia]

We have a accepted CIA (me) So i'm going to assume there is a preexisting USA.

You are going to be the CIA? Oh...this is going to be fun...

Damn straight its going to be fun, I plan on being the one who starts the damn war.

[Democratic East-Asia]

You are going to be the CIA? Oh...this is going to be fun...

Damn straight its going to be fun, I plan on being the one who starts the damn war.

I'm going to play as my NS states nation Aterria.

Don't you try nothing. We have our secret police to deal with foreign spies.

[New Wondour]

Us as well...by the way. You know...yeah...

[Parcia]

See, thats the funny thing. The CIA A: Dont cares who you are, we have a good enough reason to mess with you, its gonna happen, and B: Has the support of the US behind it as well as more then enough of a capacity to conduct opps in most countries with out being noticed.

[Democratic East-Asia]

See, thats the funny thing. The CIA A: Dont cares who you are, we have a good enough reason to mess with you, its gonna happen, and B: Has the support of the US behind it as well as more then enough of a capacity to conduct opps in most countries with out being noticed.

We'll be coding on our boxy late 1970s tech pcs then. Making games for kids.