The Bluewell Conflict [OOC|MT|CLOSED]

[The Unified Isles]

So what´s everyones forces currently at Southcreek (In terms of Ground Forces ?)

I mention the preliminary plans here, but I don't know exactly where Phenyzia's forces are?

From what I can gather from his last post, the Sturmgrenadiers are mostly orientated towards the south. My plan neitherless was to lead a whole Isle´ish Division in a really stupid (?) counter charge to throw back the Phenizians. Pillow is south of the City and you are North, right ?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Ausitoria sent in an Airborne Battalion to take Carina - I don't know whether there are any enemy units there? Phenyzia hasn't mentioned it.

[The Unified Isles]

Ausitoria sent in an Airborne Battalion to take Carina - I don't know whether there are any enemy units there? Phenyzia hasn't mentioned it.

Where exactly on the map is that ?

EDIT: Fuck it (Sorry for the swear words). I´m going to create a map with actual unit signs instead of lines and blocks. Can everyone please state what exactly they have got down there ?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

F5 (if I add references to the map - we're using this map).

[The Unified Isles]

F5 (if I add references to the map - we're using this map).

I am aware of this. I just want to create a neat little overview map detailing where which forces are so it is easier.

Ah... Fuck it again.

[Salderia]

Before this gets completely out of control, I should make two things clear:

1. I greatly doubt that Vikden was OOCly aware of your regional alliance, whereas ICly Vikden is an organized nation which would no doubt be well aware of the fact; therefore I am of the opinion that Vikden's movement into Tyrr could (and perhaps should) be retconned.
t?

Yeah, I did not know OOC'ly about your alliance. So, I will be willing to retcon Vikden's fleet there

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Before this gets completely out of control, I should make two things clear:

1. I greatly doubt that Vikden was OOCly aware of your regional alliance, whereas ICly Vikden is an organized nation which would no doubt be well aware of the fact; therefore I am of the opinion that Vikden's movement into Tyrr could (and perhaps should) be retconned.
t?

Yeah, I did not know OOC'ly about your alliance. So, I will be willing to retcon Vikden's fleet there

Indeed - if you'd known, I strongly doubt you've have sent that fleet into such danger.

[Salderia]

Yeah, I did not know OOC'ly about your alliance. So, I will be willing to retcon Vikden's fleet there

Indeed - if you'd known, I strongly doubt you've have sent that fleet into such danger.

Exactly

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Indeed: which makes it completely unrealistic, and I personally don't do unrealistic (when it's clear what's unrealistic).

Well, if that's settled, I'll finish my post trying to work out who the gathering ships belong too, then?

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Before this gets completely out of control, I should make two things clear:

1. I greatly doubt that Vikden was OOCly aware of your regional alliance, whereas ICly Vikden is an organized nation which would no doubt be well aware of the fact; therefore I am of the opinion that Vikden's movement into Tyrr could (and perhaps should) be retconned.

2. Under no circumstances whatever am I going to continue an unplanned, out-of-control RP: if things are going to get out of hand, I would sooner retcon and ignore everything before we commit more time to the RP.

So, with those points in mind, what exactly are we looking at?

GWO and I are blowing his fleet out of the water, and then GWO goes away. Fact of the matter is Vikden pushed into Tyrr and into my home seas.

The other thing, he literally RORSATTed a fleet that I had specifically made to reduce chances of getting RORSATed without even a cursory explanation.

[New Roma Republic]

Before this gets completely out of control, I should make two things clear:

1. I greatly doubt that Vikden was OOCly aware of your regional alliance, whereas ICly Vikden is an organized nation which would no doubt be well aware of the fact; therefore I am of the opinion that Vikden's movement into Tyrr could (and perhaps should) be retconned.

2. Under no circumstances whatever am I going to continue an unplanned, out-of-control RP: if things are going to get out of hand, I would sooner retcon and ignore everything before we commit more time to the RP.

So, with those points in mind, what exactly are we looking at?

GWO and I are blowing his fleet out of the water, and then GWO goes away. Fact of the matter is Vikden pushed into Tyrr and into my home seas.

The other thing, he literally RORSATTed a fleet that I had specifically made to reduce chances of getting RORSATed without even a cursory explanation.

Yeah, I did not know OOC'ly about your alliance. So, I will be willing to retcon Vikden's fleet there

It appears to me that he made a rookie mistake with the whole RORSAT thing. Also, he did agree to Retconn his fleet being there. As far as I'm concerned, he has no fleet anywhere near your alliance, he has no knowledge of your slavers, and neither do the rest of us.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

So what´s everyones forces currently at Southcreek (In terms of Ground Forces ?)

I have 40 men on 4 stealthed Light Vehicles blending in with civilians and motorcycles heading through the civilian areas

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

GWO and I are blowing his fleet out of the water, and then GWO goes away. Fact of the matter is Vikden pushed into Tyrr and into my home seas.

The other thing, he literally RORSATTed a fleet that I had specifically made to reduce chances of getting RORSATed without even a cursory explanation.

It appears to me that he made a rookie mistake with the whole RORSAT thing. Also, he did agree to Retconn his fleet being there. As far as I'm concerned, he has no fleet anywhere near your alliance, he has no knowledge of your slavers, and neither do the rest of us.

Yeah, apologies, I didn't see there was a new page on the thread, so I made the post before I read it. My apologies.

[New Roma Republic]

It appears to me that he made a rookie mistake with the whole RORSAT thing. Also, he did agree to Retconn his fleet being there. As far as I'm concerned, he has no fleet anywhere near your alliance, he has no knowledge of your slavers, and neither do the rest of us.

Yeah, apologies, I didn't see there was a new page on the thread, so I made the post before I read it. My apologies.

Haha, it's alright! I've done that once or twice myself

[Phenyzia]

Ausitoria sent in an Airborne Battalion to take Carina - I don't know whether there are any enemy units there? Phenyzia hasn't mentioned it.

Well, opps, I must've missed that one. Sorry. Going to address that one in my next post then if you don't mind!

[The Unified Isles]

Ausitoria sent in an Airborne Battalion to take Carina - I don't know whether there are any enemy units there? Phenyzia hasn't mentioned it.

Well, opps, I must've missed that one. Sorry. Going to address that one in my next post then if you don't mind!

Please also don´t forget the Isle´ish Division that is suicide charging from the West ^^ In terms of outcome, I find the idea that I mention in my post (12th Line Division is basically annihilated, the Phenyzians there are considerably weakend) okay. You want to do that ?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

The other thing, he literally RORSATTed a fleet that I had specifically made to reduce chances of getting RORSATed without even a cursory explanation.

Just regarding my upcoming post - what's Ralkovia's policy on drones/aerospacecraft/flying boats/USVs/etc. buzzing around their ships? Because Ausitoria is in the habit of buzzing the entire Ocean's surfaces beyond the EEZ limit (which is at most 20 trillion square kilometers by my estimation - which means Ausitoria has, 24/7/365, one "buzzer" every thousand kilometers, most of them scanning the ocean's surface at a few hundred kilometers per hour). So unless Ralkovia was taking exceptional measures, Ausitoria would probably have been able to track them from wherever they started from - which would (?) reveal that they were (mostly) Ralkovian?

Ausitoria sent in an Airborne Battalion to take Carina - I don't know whether there are any enemy units there? Phenyzia hasn't mentioned it.

Well, opps, I must've missed that one. Sorry. Going to address that one in my next post then if you don't mind!

No worries. Would Phenyzia have got forces to Carina before Ausitoria's helicopter Brigade - i.e. would it have been one of the first place they'd have seized? If so do you mind if I post my attack before you respond to it? Ausitoria's style of "Air Assault" is rather unlike any other sort of Air Assault - basically Air Assault Brigades are Ausitoria's semi-special forces, and they take airmobility (including tanks) literally.

[Phenyzia]

Well, opps, I must've missed that one. Sorry. Going to address that one in my next post then if you don't mind!

No worries. Would Phenyzia have got forces to Carina before Ausitoria's helicopter Brigade - i.e. would it have been one of the first place they'd have seized? If so do you mind if I post my attack before you respond to it? Ausitoria's style of "Air Assault" is rather unlike any other sort of Air Assault - basically Air Assault Brigades are Ausitoria's semi-special forces, and they take airmobility (including tanks) literally.

Carina is pretty much near the frontlines so your air assault brigade would be landing right behind my troops and not far from Böhm's current HQ, which means your troops probably have to put up with mortar fire and snipers the moment their landing gets noticed.

The map Pillowlandia posted a few days ago pretty much shows thefrontline (purple) http://imgur.com/J9grZEJ

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

No worries. Would Phenyzia have got forces to Carina before Ausitoria's helicopter Brigade - i.e. would it have been one of the first place they'd have seized? If so do you mind if I post my attack before you respond to it? Ausitoria's style of "Air Assault" is rather unlike any other sort of Air Assault - basically Air Assault Brigades are Ausitoria's semi-special forces, and they take airmobility (including tanks) literally.

Carina is pretty much near the frontlines so your air assault brigade would be landing right behind my troops and not far from Böhm's current HQ, which means your troops probably have to put up with mortar fire and snipers the moment their landing gets noticed.

The map Pillowlandia posted a few days ago pretty much shows thefrontline (purple) http://imgur.com/J9grZEJ

That map can't possibly be accurate - it would imply that Phenyzian forces had managed to walk 20 km through a defended city filled with snipers within a few hours; and that isn't even including anything about defending reinforcements. For instance my post indicates that Ausitorians would expect to reach Red Hill/Paddington and Yeron/Annerly long before anybody made their way up from the coast - after all, the Ausitorian forces are flown in, which is a rather quick way to travel.

However, is the map accurate about where the Phenyzian forces are trying to advance? Is each arrow about a Brigade in strength? If so we can fight out each mini-battle.

[Phenyzia]

Carina is pretty much near the frontlines so your air assault brigade would be landing right behind my troops and not far from Böhm's current HQ, which means your troops probably have to put up with mortar fire and snipers the moment their landing gets noticed.

The map Pillowlandia posted a few days ago pretty much shows thefrontline (purple) http://imgur.com/J9grZEJ

That map can't possibly be accurate - it would imply that Phenyzian forces had managed to walk 20 km through a defended city filled with snipers within a few hours; and that isn't even including anything about defending reinforcements. For instance my post indicates that Ausitorians would expect to reach Red Hill/Paddington and Yeron/Annerly long before anybody made their way up from the coast - after all, the Ausitorian forces are flown in, which is a rather quick way to travel.

However, is the map accurate about where the Phenyzian forces are trying to advance? Is each arrow about a Brigade in strength? If so we can fight out each mini-battle.

From what I understood from Pillowlandia's post the local troops didn't really put up any notable resistance initially allowing my troops to just push ahead without much trouble until now. I could be wrong though.

[The Unified Isles]

Uhm... because you didn´t reply... Art thou aware of my last post ?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

From what I understood from Pillowlandia's post the local troops didn't really put up any notable resistance initially allowing my troops to just push ahead without much trouble until now. I could be wrong though.

But there are far more than just local forces to worry about. For instance, Ausitoria would be skirmishing from the lines marked on this map; and their forces would have arrived from half an hour after the Phenyzians landed. (300 km to travel, divided by a respectable flying speed).

[Pillowlandia]

to clarify, yes the city put little resistance up, to the point that the only real resistance is small pockets of buildings, mainly local police stations, which have limited men and munitions to resist. As far as I understand it they have advanced roughly to just short of the purple lines as those are the defensive lines, and each arrow is meant more to just show the pressure kinda as I didn't know how he wanted to arrange his forces.

Even arriving 30 miniutes later would make only a mild difference, the city, much like Kach, had almost no resistance. They would have been able to have walked across the city before any real resistance would have been able to arranged.

Plus, simply pinning him in the city is a little boring. This allows for a little more breakout. After all we do have a few weeks ICly (from my understanding) before any more additional enemy forces really arrive in force.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

to clarify, yes the city put little resistance up, to the point that the only real resistance is small pockets of buildings, mainly local police stations, which have limited men and munitions to resist. As far as I understand it they have advanced roughly to just short of the purple lines as those are the defensive lines, and each arrow is meant more to just show the pressure kinda as I didn't know how he wanted to arrange his forces.

Even arriving 30 miniutes later would make only a mild difference, the city, much like Kach, had almost no resistance. They would have been able to have walked across the city before any real resistance would have been able to arranged.

Walking takes time, and driving is impossible in any modern city being invaded, except through parks - at least until the civilians have got out of the way. The point is that there's no way the Phenyzians could travel that far inland in the limited time available, even if they ran all the way.

(In addition, I don't know why you think there'd be only police around. Since the city is surrounded by military barracks/camps there'd be plenty of conventional local defence forces available, quite able to scatter snipers around).

Anyway, Phenyzia, could you please give me some idea of the disposition of forces about thirty minutes into the fighting? Then I'll be able to describe the Ausitorian skirmishing.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

The other thing, he literally RORSATTed a fleet that I had specifically made to reduce chances of getting RORSATed without even a cursory explanation.

Just regarding my upcoming post - what's Ralkovia's policy on drones/aerospacecraft/flying boats/USVs/etc. buzzing around their ships? Because Ausitoria is in the habit of buzzing the entire Ocean's surfaces beyond the EEZ limit (which is at most 20 trillion square kilometers by my estimation - which means Ausitoria has, 24/7/365, one "buzzer" every thousand kilometers, most of them scanning the ocean's surface at a few hundred kilometers per hour). So unless Ralkovia was taking exceptional measures, Ausitoria would probably have been able to track them from wherever they started from - which would (?) reveal that they were (mostly) Ralkovian?

Well, opps, I must've missed that one. Sorry. Going to address that one in my next post then if you don't mind!

No worries. Would Phenyzia have got forces to Carina before Ausitoria's helicopter Brigade - i.e. would it have been one of the first place they'd have seized? If so do you mind if I post my attack before you respond to it? Ausitoria's style of "Air Assault" is rather unlike any other sort of Air Assault - basically Air Assault Brigades are Ausitoria's semi-special forces, and they take airmobility (including tanks) literally.

Ralkovia would most certainly shoot them down, even those outside it's EEZ. Tyrrhenia would definitely be a black hole as well, and most other regions would shoot down foreign drones monitoring it's Oceans as no one would like any nation having a spy apparatus hanging in or around it's regional waters. Our region, which is connected to Gholgoth and Varathor and others would be an area of some 200 billion square miles or some such odd area, comprised of a few hundred nations. You would have a lot of gaps in these areas, which would put you no closer to identifying the Ralkovian ships by origin.

Further still though, Ralkovia continues to operate a vast colonial Empire and has built thousands of naval bases along it's trade routes, many of which remain at least obscured in knowledge of ownership. Ralkovia largely has an exceptional interest in hiding it's assets from the view of other nations. Open awareness of ownership only makes it a target for anti-slavers. So Ralkovia, intentionally does things the hard way, by necessity. Now that's not to say you wouldn't have global knowledge of Ralkovian bases and a large number of ships, Ralkovia can't hide it's massive colonies so easily or the ships that leave it's ports everyday, however Ralkovia operates many hidden bases for security reasons or for others. The Madness for example was assigned to the middle of nowhere, solely for political reasons.

I'd say, you'd likely still have a relatively difficult time identifying them as Ralkovian and further still deciphering intent. They're currently not moving towards the island, and they have remained separate elements. If three frigates, a carrier group, a fleet of arsenal ships, transports and escorts, another carrier group, additional transports, etc. all separately sailing and flagged as belonging to different nations thousands of miles away get your attention, then you're surveillance apparatus is likely going to have a massive budget and still be overworked.

I'd say, your drone plan would at least alert you to the existence of these separate elements, but definitely not their intentions or allegiance.

And of course that wouldn't count the number of stealthed ships that I'd have.