The Hammerfall Games, Winter 2151 [OOC Discussion, Attn LoM]

[Vistora]

Wait... I don't remember Runescape having aircraft. Am I going crazy?

[Excidium Planetis]

Wait... I don't remember Runescape having aircraft. Am I going crazy?

You are on NS.

On some level, you must be crazy.

[Blakullar]

Fortifications beat infantry and aircraft.

Infantry I understand... But aircraft? Aren't aircraft the primary unit for assaulting Fortifications? The Allies in World War II used aircraft extensively to bomb Axis fortifications, and modern stealth bombers, bunker-busters, and nuclear weapons are all great for attacking fortifications.

For the sake of maintaining simplicity, I omit strategic weaponry (large bombers, missiles, etc.) from that particular guide. Strategic assets are almost totally different to tactical assets (tanks, infantry, etc.) in that their purpose is suited for manipulating the war on a much larger scale. Bombers, for instance, are often used in the present day to attack supply lines and weaken enemy forces out of reach of the main army. They can be used to support the main army in a combat mission, but a flight of helicopter gunships or ground attack jets would do a much better job.

[Vistora]

When in doubt, just shove a shit-ton of weapons spanning every role onto something that moves. That's what I like to do.

[Excidium Planetis]

When in doubt, just shove a shit-ton of weapons spanning every role onto something that moves. That's what I like to do.

I'm guessing you played Spore?

[Vistora]

When in doubt, just shove a shit-ton of weapons spanning every role onto something that moves. That's what I like to do.

I'm guessing you played Spore?

Yes, but that's not really what I had in mind...

[HYDRA-Russian Empire]

I mean, I like to think I'm pretty good at admitting defeat when I have to, but do you really trust other people?

I say we commission a tiny, secret panel (maybe three people) before every match to rule on the subsequent fight, and in case the match drags on, they rule on who the probable winner would be.

I think that is a good idea. Another method would be determining the winner via arbitration; before the match, we'd roll a die, or flip a coin, determining the winner beforehand. After that, the RP would fill in the blanks. I think I'd be comfortable with that, but I can only speak for myself. I do like your idea, however.

Personally I support your idea about flipping a coin. It seems to be the fairest way to determine a winner. Or perhaps use a randomiser website?

[The Transcended Darkness]

I think that is a good idea. Another method would be determining the winner via arbitration; before the match, we'd roll a die, or flip a coin, determining the winner beforehand. After that, the RP would fill in the blanks. I think I'd be comfortable with that, but I can only speak for myself. I do like your idea, however.

Personally I support your idea about flipping a coin. It seems to be the fairest way to determine a winner. Or perhaps use a randomiser website?

If we did that, I recommend we do it after writing several posts on the fight. That way the result isn't predetermined, and the RP is still interesting.

[Excidium Planetis]

I think that is a good idea. Another method would be determining the winner via arbitration; before the match, we'd roll a die, or flip a coin, determining the winner beforehand. After that, the RP would fill in the blanks. I think I'd be comfortable with that, but I can only speak for myself. I do like your idea, however.

Personally I support your idea about flipping a coin. It seems to be the fairest way to determine a winner. Or perhaps use a randomiser website?

That kills the fun. Who wants to do an RP where you know that no matter how skillfully you RP, you are guaranteed to lose? It's not even a case of "I know I'm the underdog here, but maybe I can still pull off this fight!", it's a case of "My character is clearly superior to yours but is going to die anyways, to a rather pathetic attack I should have been able to dodge."

[Vistora]

Personally I support your idea about flipping a coin. It seems to be the fairest way to determine a winner. Or perhaps use a randomiser website?

That kills the fun. Who wants to do an RP where you know that no matter how skillfully you RP, you are guaranteed to lose? It's not even a case of "I know I'm the underdog here, but maybe I can still pull off this fight!", it's a case of "My character is clearly superior to yours but is going to die anyways, to a rather pathetic attack I should have been able to dodge."

That just raises the question of godmodding; where does one draw the line between a genuine victory and a silly fluke?

[Excidium Planetis]

I'm guessing you played Spore?

Yes, but that's not really what I had in mind...

Oh. So more like this then?

That kills the fun. Who wants to do an RP where you know that no matter how skillfully you RP, you are guaranteed to lose? It's not even a case of "I know I'm the underdog here, but maybe I can still pull off this fight!", it's a case of "My character is clearly superior to yours but is going to die anyways, to a rather pathetic attack I should have been able to dodge."

That just raises the question of godmodding; where does one draw the line between a genuine victory and a silly fluke?

Godmodding and "silly fluke" are not at all the same thing. Godmodding, as defined on NS, is controlling the other player's stuff (like dictating opposing casualties). Making your opponent lose is not a silly fluke, that's deliberately being a dick.

[Vistora]

Yes, but that's not really what I had in mind...

Oh. So more like this then?

Oh yeah, that's more like it. Something like this would also certainly qualify, as well as that Fuujin attack helicopter model that China was freaking the fuck out about.

Godmodding and "silly fluke" are not at all the same thing. Godmodding, as defined on NS, is controlling the other player's stuff (like dictating opposing casualties). Making your opponent lose is not a silly fluke, that's deliberately being a dick.

Ahem, I think you're confused. A silly fluke is one of these.

In all seriousness though, in an evenly matched fight especially, how are we to determine the winner? One person will have to take the fall no matter what, and I fear that burden may fall repeatedly upon a few specific individuals, while their opponents simply shrug and snatch the win they are offered. I am willing to lose in as many instances as will be necessary, but I don't want people to take that as an invitation to take abuse that fact and refuse to toss a match unless commanded to.

[Excidium Planetis]

Godmodding and "silly fluke" are not at all the same thing. Godmodding, as defined on NS, is controlling the other player's stuff (like dictating opposing casualties). Making your opponent lose is not a silly fluke, that's deliberately being a dick.

In all seriousness though, in an evenly matched fight especially, how are we to determine the winner? One person will have to take the fall no matter what, and I fear that burden may fall repeatedly upon a few specific individuals, while their opponents simply shrug and snatch the win they are offered. I am willing to lose in as many instances as will be necessary, but I don't want people to take that as an invitation to take abuse that fact and refuse to toss a match unless commanded to.

1. That's why Frenco's idea of a panel would work.
2. There comes a point when you have to take a loss to be realistic. You'll get an attack you can't conceivably dodge, your character gets ambushed, there's simply no way to survive that, etc.

At the very worst case scenario, you can use your opponents own moves to guarantee a hit on them: trick them into a trap, use the momentum of their attack to make them vulnerable, etc. They can't unwrite what they already made their character do.

[Vistora]

In all seriousness though, in an evenly matched fight especially, how are we to determine the winner? One person will have to take the fall no matter what, and I fear that burden may fall repeatedly upon a few specific individuals, while their opponents simply shrug and snatch the win they are offered. I am willing to lose in as many instances as will be necessary, but I don't want people to take that as an invitation to take abuse that fact and refuse to toss a match unless commanded to.

1. That's why Frenco's idea of a panel would work.
2. There comes a point when you have to take a loss to be realistic. You'll get an attack you can't conceivably dodge, your character gets ambushed, there's simply no way to survive that, etc.

At the very worst case scenario, you can use your opponents own moves to guarantee a hit on them: trick them into a trap, use the momentum of their attack to make them vulnerable, etc. They can't unwrite what they already made their character do.

Yes, and that is why I like Frenco's idea of an evaluation panel. Also, did we just do that thing where we spend several paragraphs arguing with each other until we realize that we actaully agree? Dammit, that happens to me a lot.

[Vistora]

I added the tourney brackets to the roster thread, so we can keep track of it there. If everybody is happy with their assignment, we can get the IC up and running soon.

[Tinfect]

I added the tourney brackets to the roster thread, so we can keep track of it there. If everybody is happy with their assignment, we can get the IC up and running soon.

Looks good to me.

[Blakullar]

I added the tourney brackets to the roster thread, so we can keep track of it there. If everybody is happy with their assignment, we can get the IC up and running soon.

I'm fine with that, though I'm not looking forward to fighting Acheronis' artillery-tetrapod with Begemot. Just tell me when the nasty bit's over, alright? *puts hands over eyes*

In all fairness though, Timofei Prime's likely going to hand Samuel Chin his ass on a platter and the Trotskaya/Harrigan fight is going to be a fairly even match. So I'm gambling on Deimos not going the way of Monty Python's Black Knight to make myself even!

[Vistora]

I added the tourney brackets to the roster thread, so we can keep track of it there. If everybody is happy with their assignment, we can get the IC up and running soon.

I'm fine with that, though I'm not looking forward to fighting Acheronis' artillery-tetrapod with Begemot. Just tell me when the nasty bit's over, alright? *puts hands over eyes*

In all fairness though, Timofei Prime's likely going to hand Samuel Chin his ass on a platter and the Trotskaya/Harrigan fight is going to be a fairly even match. So I'm gambling on Deimos not going the way of Monty Python's Black Knight to make myself even!

I'm curious as to how a fight between Cirrus and Deimos would go down, given that they're both rage-mode characters.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

Timofei Prime's likely going to hand Samuel Chin his ass on a platter

fuck

i need to activate eldritch god console commands protocol #13.37

noclip impulse 101 buddha cheat godmode combo

[Acheronis]

I added the tourney brackets to the roster thread, so we can keep track of it there. If everybody is happy with their assignment, we can get the IC up and running soon.

Yep, looks good to me as well.

I added the tourney brackets to the roster thread, so we can keep track of it there. If everybody is happy with their assignment, we can get the IC up and running soon.

I'm fine with that, though I'm not looking forward to fighting Acheronis' artillery-tetrapod with Begemot. Just tell me when the nasty bit's over, alright? *puts hands over eyes*

*fires thermal lance*

[Vistora]

I added an important detail about Apozt's mecha's Shockwave Attenuator that I failed to mention before. It may have a fair bearing on the outcome of a match, so before we proceed I'd like the rest of the CotT participants to take a look. It's over on the roster list, under Gear.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

did everyone forget about this

[New Frenco Empire]

did everyone forget about this

Yeah. I guess Fallout 4 just sorta...happened.

[Vistora]

did everyone forget about this

Yeah. I guess Fallout 4 just sorta...happened.

By every star in the sky, I swear I will keep this RP alive!

[Blakullar]

Yeah. I guess Fallout 4 just sorta...happened.

By every star in the sky, I swear I will keep this RP alive!

Perhaps it just needs to be kicked back into gear by the presence of an IC, which I will now start working on in earnest.