ISCU OOC Discussion Thread (Members Only)

[Alexiandra]

This thread will serve as the OOC planning/discussion centre for the International Socialist Union (ISCU).

To kick things off, I'd like to take a survey of opinion - would anyone be in favour of the addition of a mutual defence clause to the ISCU charter?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Certainly - presuming that we can in general avoid war. For instance Ausitoria, being intensely liberal, would certainly not be inclined to come to the defence of any ISCU member caught committing genocide/enslaving people/torturing/sacking/pillaging or any of that sort of thing. Would it be possible to amend Article III to be more properly stringent?

[Alexiandra]

Certainly - presuming that we can in general avoid war. For instance Ausitoria, being intensely liberal, would certainly not be inclined to come to the defence of any ISCU member caught committing genocide/enslaving people/torturing/sacking/pillaging or any of that sort of thing. Would it be possible to amend Article III to be more properly stringent?

Alexiandra is similarly inclined, so I think that's perfectly amenable.

Which elements of Article III require improvement, in your opinion?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

I'd suggest an addition of the right to liberty and freedom of conscience and association and marriage, security of person and property and privacy from unwarranted search and seizure and servitude, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment and double jeopardy and retro-activity and excessive bail and fines and fear, and freedom to receive habeus corpus and impartial justice without discrimination for starters - can't think of anything else off the top of my head.

[Alexiandra]

I'd suggest an addition of the right to liberty and freedom of conscience and association and marriage, security of person and property and privacy from unwarranted search and seizure and servitude, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment and double jeopardy and retro-activity and excessive bail and fines and fear, and freedom to receive habeus corpus and impartial justice without discrimination for starters - can't think of anything else off the top of my head.

These all sound reasonable, and I'd agree that my "freedom from undue prosecution" phrase could use some clarification. I suggest we group these amendments together under the banner of a comprehensive "First Reform Package" and hold a vote for Executive Council members.

[Nerotysia]

These all sound reasonable, and I'd agree that my "freedom from undue prosecution" phrase could use some clarification. I suggest we group these amendments together under the banner of a comprehensive "First Reform Package" and hold a vote for Executive Council members.

I wrote a declaration of human rights for an organization in my region, but we could also use it for the alliance. It's heavily modeled on the UN Declaration of Human Rights:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=nero ... /id=467394

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

These all sound reasonable, and I'd agree that my "freedom from undue prosecution" phrase could use some clarification. I suggest we group these amendments together under the banner of a comprehensive "First Reform Package" and hold a vote for Executive Council members.

I wrote a declaration of human rights for an organization in my region, but we could also use it for the alliance. It's heavily modeled on the UN Declaration of Human Rights:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=nero ... /id=467394

Nice work! But my list is a synthesis of the Bill of Rights, US Constitutional RIghts, French Declaration of Rights of Man, UN Declaration, and EUHCR - and rather briefer than any of them. Alexiandra, should Ausitoria propose the amendment?

Incidentally, on the subject of Executive Council Members, since member no. 5 retconned, and Ausitoria was no. 6, does that include Ausitoria?

[Elwana]

Article proposal: In the event of civil unrest, member nations shall divert assistance to the country in question to quell civil unrest. I think that in a democratic system; people who uses force to express their views are oppressing everyone else. Therefore I consider this resolution to be necessary. All in favour?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

No, because not all members are democracies (and also this is an OOC thread).

[Alexiandra]

I wrote a declaration of human rights for an organization in my region, but we could also use it for the alliance. It's heavily modeled on the UN Declaration of Human Rights:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=nero ... /id=467394

Alexiandra, should Ausitoria propose the amendment?

Incidentally, on the subject of Executive Council Members, since member no. 5 retconned, and Ausitoria was no. 6, does that include Ausitoria?

Yes please, that'd be great.

Who retconned?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Yasozia, I think. Sorry for my delay re the charter shift...

[Sovia Islands]

So, I have an idea. I got it from a post I saw a few days ago, and my idea is this:

Since we are a small group (Smallish that is), I thought it may be interesting if we start a little ISCU economic calculations along with a table with fluctuating currency prices, etc.
It would be like NSEconomy, yet alot better because it would be human controlled and would work for those who don't use nationpages or NSE (I certainly don't).
Essentially, there could be four ways we would have the economy work for each nation, and they would get to pick how its calculated, etc.

(Note it would be an opt in service, with maybe about a week of being active in the ISCU before you can apply to join the calculations? Of course that policy won't go into affect for a little while because we are so new that our first few members are still less than a week old. Also a required re-check in for the service at the first of each month so the amount of nations calculated stays reasonable)

Nationpage: The simplest and most basic method a nation could use, these calculations are based wholely off of the economy stat on your nation.
Nationpage Hybrid: Essentially where the nation picks a starting point for their calculated economic values, then whenever their nationpage economy or NS economy stat changes, we change the values an equal or slightly modified amount in the same direction, but from the previous predefined starting point seperate from the nationpage values
Random: 100% random, using a number generator to get whatever happens. This will most likely be the least common choice, as it could be annoying however if they wanted it could be good for RPing so they have to come up with some sort of reason or story on why this seemingly random economic event happened
Planned: An economy calculation thats entirely planned (heh, see what I did there?) by the player, but first reveiwed of course before it actually happened. This would also probably include a little bit of the others for what happens when they don't say anything happens, etc.


If any of this sounds at all appealing to any of the executives, I will manage it and implement it if you guys want to try this out.

-Cheers


EDIT: I'll get the calculations up soon, I just need to work them out a bit more.

[Sovia Islands]

Ok, so, here are the calculations for exchange rates, etc.
Lets just start with two currencies, currency S and currency C.

Their values and relative exchange rates' relationship can be observed like this at first: s = xc with x being the value needed to make both equal, where x will be selected using one of my previously stated (In an earlier post) methods of obtaining economic change and values.

Once the values change and the calculations begin, this is how you calculate x:
s = (x-(dc-ds))c where dc and ds are equal to c/100 and s/100 respectively.
Using this calculation, you have found the X value for currency C. Lets say currency S has a value of 50, where C has a value of 75. The value of X is now 11/12, or ~0.92. So, the exchange rate is this: 1s = 0.92c causing s to experience inflation helping it get more competitiveness, but also giving C more spending power. You can also reverse all of the values (Change s's to c's, and c's to s's). In that case, we find that 1c = 1.25s


And thats about it for the calculations! These calculations would be done for each nation on each other, and due to this it would take a long time. 5 people is 25 calculations, and 7 is nearly double that (49). 3 more and we get 100. This whole thing would take a long time, so if the executives to wish to put this in I will manage it but cap it at 5-6 members unless someone else wishes to help, because 100 calculations can take a loooong time.


Also, just to clarify, I did not make these calculations, credit goes to Plessur and his Molinis exchange rate system.
I will also possibly include a little blurb for each nation with major economic changes saying how it affects the economy as a whole.

[Sovia Islands]

This thread will serve as the OOC planning/discussion centre for the International Socialist Union (ISCU).

To kick things off, I'd like to take a survey of opinion - would anyone be in favour of the addition of a mutual defence clause to the ISCU charter?

I have proposed such a mutual defense clause, also with some other rules and thingies. If you like it you can implement it, and I can make any changes to it if you guys wish

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Seems like an interesting idea. One way to stop exponential growth in the number of calculations required would be to simply measure all currencies with reference to a standard currency - perhaps the currency of whoever has the biggest economy, or perhaps the Universal Standard Dollar?

This thread will serve as the OOC planning/discussion centre for the International Socialist Union (ISCU).

To kick things off, I'd like to take a survey of opinion - would anyone be in favour of the addition of a mutual defence clause to the ISCU charter?

I have proposed such a mutual defense clause, also with some other rules and thingies. If you like it you can implement it, and I can make any changes to it if you guys wish

A purely defensive clause might work.

[Sovia Islands]

Seems like an interesting idea. One way to stop exponential growth in the number of calculations required would be to simply measure all currencies with reference to a standard currency - perhaps the currency of whoever has the biggest economy, or perhaps the Universal Standard Dollar?

I have proposed such a mutual defense clause, also with some other rules and thingies. If you like it you can implement it, and I can make any changes to it if you guys wish

A purely defensive clause might work.

If you wanted, I could split the clause into two, allowing the defensive part to go up immediately with the other parts taking much longer in the legislation to be denied or ratified.

[Alexiandra]

Seems like an interesting idea. One way to stop exponential growth in the number of calculations required would be to simply measure all currencies with reference to a standard currency - perhaps the currency of whoever has the biggest economy, or perhaps the Universal Standard Dollar?


A purely defensive clause might work.

If you wanted, I could split the clause into two, allowing the defensive part to go up immediately with the other parts taking much longer in the legislation to be denied or ratified.

I think splitting it is a good idea. Personally, I'd feel a lot happier if the WMD limit were increased to, say, 200 megatons.

[Sovia Islands]

If you wanted, I could split the clause into two, allowing the defensive part to go up immediately with the other parts taking much longer in the legislation to be denied or ratified.

I think splitting it is a good idea. Personally, I'd feel a lot happier if the WMD limit were increased to, say, 200 megatons.

Well, given you are the owner of the ISCU you could easily adopt the clause and change any parts of it to how you see fit.

[Sovia Islands]

Seems like an interesting idea. One way to stop exponential growth in the number of calculations required would be to simply measure all currencies with reference to a standard currency - perhaps the currency of whoever has the biggest economy, or perhaps the Universal Standard Dollar?

I have proposed such a mutual defense clause, also with some other rules and thingies. If you like it you can implement it, and I can make any changes to it if you guys wish

A purely defensive clause might work.

Also, on the topic of the economic calculations, we could compare it to a fictional 100 economy currency (Universal Standard Dollar), however it to a point removes some of the reasoning behind having the thing in the first place. Maybe that could be employed later, but for now I doubt we will even get very many applications for this service so if it is set up we won't have hardly any calculations (Like, say 3 people join at first, thats only 6 calcluations. 4 is 12 which is not much either. 5 is 20 which is getting up there but still doable. 6 being 30 could be done alone, but anything above that (say 56 for 8 ) is too much.

On a seperate topic, how exactly would it work in the sense of posts? Would I have a seperate post that i'd manage and the IC would just have a link and an application to join the calculations? Or would possibly there still be an application on the IC but I instead post the calculations in the IC. Or maybe a solely seperate topic, with nothing but a link and a small discription on the IC.

(I personally would think the first one or two, but any combination would be accepted other than solely on the IC's op because in that case I couldn't manage it)

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

On a seperate topic, how exactly would it work in the sense of posts?

I would suggest any detailed discussion should be done OOCly by TG or on this thread, and all the IC business conducted in the IC thread?

[Sovia Islands]

On a seperate topic, how exactly would it work in the sense of posts?

I would suggest any detailed discussion should be done OOCly by TG or on this thread, and all the IC business conducted in the IC thread?

Well of course the rough details and general discussion would be on the OOC, but I mean where applications to join are put, where I would post charts and graphs about the economic calculations, and where news stories could be posted in relation to recent economic and currency changes.

Either way though, im starting to work out how the post would look like in a little factbook, which ill copy and paste at a later date once it becomes relevent.

[Sovia Islands]

Well, due to the fact I can't possibly do anything on the OP, I decided to make a quick rough draft for how it might look/work if we decided to have a seperate post.
I haven't posted the tables etc. yet, but I have a system and they are up and running using google docs so someone else could easily help out with calculations if I just shared it with them.

Here's the link: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=353818








(Also, if this is made and done, I think maybe I should be proclaimed the ISCU director/minister of economics )

[Sovia Islands]

( Just want to say this, Libraria and Austoria, you claimed a minimum of 90 megatons per nation, but the cap is at 100, fully complying with what you said. However, there was a Typo where it said "Fifty (100)" instead of "One-Hundred (100)")

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Well, due to the fact I can't possibly do anything on the OP, I decided to make a quick rough draft for how it might look/work if we decided to have a seperate post.
I haven't posted the tables etc. yet, but I have a system and they are up and running using google docs so someone else could easily help out with calculations if I just shared it with them.

Here's the link: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=353818

It seems interesting, if you feel inclined to run it, although I'm not sure of the extent of the program's utility? If it is on a small scale, it would not be very useful to anyone; if on a large scale, it would be very time consuming for whoever runs it?

( Just want to say this, Libraria and Austoria, you claimed a minimum of 90 megatons per nation, but the cap is at 100, fully complying with what you said. However, there was a Typo where it said "Fifty (100)" instead of "One-Hundred (100)")

Ausitoria contains about 42 constituent nations, which need to be capable of maintaining an independent nuclear deterrent.

[Sovia Islands]

Well, due to the fact I can't possibly do anything on the OP, I decided to make a quick rough draft for how it might look/work if we decided to have a seperate post.
I haven't posted the tables etc. yet, but I have a system and they are up and running using google docs so someone else could easily help out with calculations if I just shared it with them.

Here's the link: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=353818

It seems interesting, if you feel inclined to run it, although I'm not sure of the extent of the program's utility? If it is on a small scale, it would not be very useful to anyone; if on a large scale, it would be very time consuming for whoever runs it?

( Just want to say this, Libraria and Austoria, you claimed a minimum of 90 megatons per nation, but the cap is at 100, fully complying with what you said. However, there was a Typo where it said "Fifty (100)" instead of "One-Hundred (100)")

Ausitoria contains about 42 constituent nations, which need to be capable of maintaining an independent nuclear deterrent.

Each nation inside would count as a seperate nation, therfor a total of 3,780 megatons maximum for your account. It would make no sense that we raise the total amount just on the odd exception one account contains 42 nations, so instead an exception for you would be made.