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[Tinfect]

Yes, I am supporting them, but my nation also has the goal of turning PTFS into a socialist satellite state / trading partner (whichever the RMN and UPS will agree to, really) and thus they will try anything to subvert the forces of others in the region. The harmonist support is just to get support in the populations outside of the communists.

That is practically our goal as well, except I imagine we have different ways of going about it.

So you are using tons of tactical nukes as well too, eh? Well my forces tend to be very nuke-happy when it comes to open battlefields. By very I mean "arm everyone with at least a few Davy Crockett sized nukes" nuke-happy.

So you are using tons of tactical nukes as well too, eh?

tactical nukes

Eheheheheh...

But really, let's focus on the fun bit more than just dick measuring and attempting to say how "our forces are better than yourz !!11111", because I know very well that this will be Pyrrhic victory at best for my forces.

Damn straight.
But, yeah, definitely in agreement there.

[Atomic Utopia]

Yes, I am supporting them, but my nation also has the goal of turning PTFS into a socialist satellite state / trading partner (whichever the RMN and UPS will agree to, really) and thus they will try anything to subvert the forces of others in the region. The harmonist support is just to get support in the populations outside of the communists.

That is practically our goal as well, except I imagine we have different ways of going about it.

Well if it is both of our goals, then my forces might make a temporary battlefield truce with yours in certain sectors, possibly tuning into a full on truce.

My way of going about doing it will be something like this (first part was inspired by the tactics Mao did during his campaign):
1. Land forces, which will be particularly Political Officer heavy and attempt to provide food aid to various cities with the aim of winning over the support of the common man. These food drops will be heavily propagandized along with all other actions my forces undertake.
2. Using their support, get them to make propaganda to encourage others to join the RMN and UPS
3. With the peaceful campaign being conducted the military campaign against other nations/dissidents hyper-capitalist fascist pig-dogs will be conducted to take various population centers by force. Nukes will not be used in urban warfare to preserve the public opinion.
4. ???????
5. Victory and rigged elections to get people who are Atomic Utopia friendly in charge of the UPS.

But really, let's focus on the fun bit more than just dick measuring and attempting to say how "our forces are better than yourz !!11111", because I know very well that this will be Pyrrhic victory at best for my forces.

Damn straight.
But, yeah, definitely in agreement there.

Yeah, my forces will probably have an attrition rate (at least in the first wave) of around 80% if they are not the first there.

[Tinfect]

Well if it is both of our goals, then my forces might make a temporary battlefield truce with yours in certain sectors, possibly tuning into a full on truce.

My way of going about doing it will be something like this (first part was inspired by the tactics Mao did during his campaign):
1. Land forces, which will be particularly Political Officer heavy and attempt to provide food aid to various cities with the aim of winning over the support of the common man. These food drops will be heavily propagandized along with all other actions my forces undertake.

I like this plan. Much less vague than sending in Imperial Intelligence to start a Peoples Rebellion from the inside.
Might we do both?

2. Using their support, get them to make propaganda to encourage others to join the RMN and UPS
3. With the peaceful campaign being conducted the military campaign against other nations/dissidents hyper-capitalist fascist pig-dogs will be conducted to take various population centers by force. Nukes will not be used in urban warfare to preserve the public opinion.

Organized, I like it.
Might Imperial Support be helpful in that? It would certainly ease your Attrition rates.

4. ???????

Step 4: Imperial Battleships destroy hostile Military Centers from orbit using our Planetary Bombardment Beams.
Low collateral damage, all the terror of seeing massive pillars of energy turn even the most well prepared military installations into molten slag.

5. Victory and rigged elections to get people who are Atomic Utopia/Imperium friendly in charge of the UPS.

FTFY

[Deminis]

Well if it is both of our goals, then my forces might make a temporary battlefield truce with yours in certain sectors, possibly tuning into a full on truce.

My way of going about doing it will be something like this (first part was inspired by the tactics Mao did during his campaign):
1. Land forces, which will be particularly Political Officer heavy and attempt to provide food aid to various cities with the aim of winning over the support of the common man. These food drops will be heavily propagandized along with all other actions my forces undertake.

I like this plan. Much less vague than sending in Imperial Intelligence to start a Peoples Rebellion from the inside.
Might we do both?

2. Using their support, get them to make propaganda to encourage others to join the RMN and UPS
3. With the peaceful campaign being conducted the military campaign against other nations/dissidents hyper-capitalist fascist pig-dogs will be conducted to take various population centers by force. Nukes will not be used in urban warfare to preserve the public opinion.

Organized, I like it.
Might Imperial Support be helpful in that? It would certainly ease your Attrition rates.

4. ???????

Step 4: Imperial Battleships destroy hostile Military Centers from orbit using our Planetary Bombardment Beams.
Low collateral damage, all the terror of seeing massive pillars of energy turn even the most well prepared military installations into molten slag.

5. Victory and rigged elections to get people who are Atomic Utopia/Imperium friendly in charge of the UPS.

FTFY

That step four part, You guys are forgeting that ill be following Tinfects orders and/or that my targeting systems are accurate up to 10m from a planets distance away, Not that i would be that far You need Targeted Demolition, i am assuming you will want minimal area effect right?

[Tinfect]

That step four part, You guys are forgeting that ill be following Tinfects orders and/or that my targeting systems are accurate up to 10m from a planets distance away, Not that i would be that far You need Targeted Demolition, i am assuming you will want minimal area effect right?

Your planetary bombardment capabilities are far inferior to the Imperium's, and I doubt you carry enough Nukes to match AU.

[Atomic Utopia]

1. Land forces, which will be particularly Political Officer heavy and attempt to provide food aid to various cities with the aim of winning over the support of the common man. These food drops will be heavily propagandized along with all other actions my forces undertake.

I like this plan. Much less vague than sending in Imperial Intelligence to start a Peoples Rebellion from the inside.
Might we do both?

Sure, have both of our propaganda organizations act in unison.

4. ???????

Step 4: Imperial Battleships destroy hostile Military Centers from orbit using our Planetary Bombardment Beams.
Low collateral damage, all the terror of seeing massive pillars of energy turn even the most well prepared military installations into molten slag.

Well assuming they are anything like the combine that is going to be hard. You see most of the combine's military bases were located within the various cities, most in 2 Km+ skyscrapers with really quite unstable power sources in them. If one of those is turned to rubble some how (however contained it is), well that is going to take a fair deal of the city with it, making our forces look like fools.

So I was thinking of sending infantry into them to take the military bases out using superior numbers.

5. Victory and rigged elections to get people who are Atomic Utopia/Imperium friendly in charge of the UPS.

FTFY

Yeah, we might just become allies during the invasion if you agree to joint occupation and election rigging.

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This will probably end with the December Revolution parade containing a significantly larger "Hero of the Republic" section.

[Deminis]

That step four part, You guys are forgeting that ill be following Tinfects orders and/or that my targeting systems are accurate up to 10m from a planets distance away, Not that i would be that far You need Targeted Demolition, i am assuming you will want minimal area effect right?

Your planetary bombardment capabilities are far inferior to the Imperium's, and I doubt you carry enough Nukes to match AU.

Nukes? HA! A nuke would be far to explosive for any from of controlled demolition, I was thinking some thing more along the line of a few 75mm Long shells down the structual supports. The buildings them selves collapse inwards, minimal civilian casualties. Or i could use a single 120mm plasma shell down the center of the building, or spread evenly through out thermal range, And super heat in air within the building. Clearing it out while maintaining structural stability.

[Tinfect]

Well assuming they are anything like the combine that is going to be hard. You see most of the combine's military bases were located within the various cities, most in 2 Km+ skyscrapers with really quite unstable power sources in them. If one of those is turned to rubble some how (however contained it is), well that is going to take a fair deal of the city with it, making our forces look like fools.
So I was thinking of sending infantry into them to take the military bases out using superior numbers.

Never actually got around to finishing Half-Life 2, so I wouldn't know, but if you are right, storming them with Infantry looks like the way to go.

Yeah, we might just become allies during the invasion if you agree to joint occupation and election rigging.

Now, that, can be arranged.

[Aeiouia]

1. Land forces, which will be particularly Political Officer heavy and attempt to provide food aid to various cities with the aim of winning over the support of the common man. These food drops will be heavily propagandized along with all other actions my forces undertake.

We will probably be doing this as well, with an exception of the propaganda. However, we will probably not do anywhere near as well as you due to the fact that AIs do not really get the concept of food. We will probably be sending tasteless liquid food substitutes, which are efficient and healthy, but quite unpleasant to actually eat for most people.

[Tinfect]

Nukes? HA! A nuke would be far to explosive for any from of controlled demolition, I was thinking some thing more along the line of a few 75mm Long shells down the structual supports. The buildings them selves collapse inwards, minimal civilian casualties. Or i could use a single 120mm plasma shell down the center of the building, or spread evenly through out thermal range, And super heat in air within the building. Clearing it out while maintaining structural stability.

Did you miss something about "Planetary Bombardment Beams" and "Molten Slag"?
Actually. Thinking about it, that last one might be useful.
Keep that in mind.

[Atomic Utopia]

Well assuming they are anything like the combine that is going to be hard. You see most of the combine's military bases were located within the various cities, most in 2 Km+ skyscrapers with really quite unstable power sources in them. If one of those is turned to rubble some how (however contained it is), well that is going to take a fair deal of the city with it, making our forces look like fools.
So I was thinking of sending infantry into them to take the military bases out using superior numbers.

Never actually got around to finishing Half-Life 2, so I wouldn't know, but if you are right, storming them with Infantry looks like the way to go.

Yeah, at the end of HL2 you learn just what happens when you mess one of those up. Hint: it involves city 17 going bye-bye.

[Deminis]

Nukes? HA! A nuke would be far to explosive for any from of controlled demolition, I was thinking some thing more along the line of a few 75mm Long shells down the structual supports. The buildings them selves collapse inwards, minimal civilian casualties. Or i could use a single 120mm plasma shell down the center of the building, or spread evenly through out thermal range, And super heat in air within the building. Clearing it out while maintaining structural stability.

Did you miss something about "Planetary Bombardment Beams" and "Molten Slag"?
Actually. Thinking about it, that last one might be useful.
Keep that in mind.

No i didn't miss those, the problem with them is that the term "Beam" implies that is has a conic spread, that would cause temporary or maybe minor long term damaging effect to civilian populations. the Molten Slag, also indicates a wide spread and uncontrolled after use, it could affect the civilian view of the "Harmonist" faction in a negative way. I mean this is war sure, but i'm pretty sure magma-like weapons would freak out some civi's, while plasma weapon seem to be common use. Like i said a while back in the main ooc, "Its not the weapon, its the way you use it."

[Allancia]

Will countries be fighting each other, or will factions fight other factions/countries?

[Atomic Utopia]

Did you miss something about "Planetary Bombardment Beams" and "Molten Slag"?
Actually. Thinking about it, that last one might be useful.
Keep that in mind.

No i didn't miss those, the problem with them is that the term "Beam" implies that is has a conic spread, that would cause temporary or maybe minor long term damaging effect to civilian populations. the Molten Slag, also indicates a wide spread and uncontrolled after use, it could affect the civilian view of the "Harmonist" faction in a negative way. I mean this is war sure, but i'm pretty sure magma-like weapons would freak out some civi's, while plasma weapon seem to be common use. Like i said a while back in the main ooc, "Its not the weapon, its the way you use it."

Yeah, one problem.

Nape tends to not be the most popular with civies, especially when they see the aftermath.

The reason I say this is that your plasma weapons sound a lot like nape in it's effects.

Will countries be fighting each other, or will factions fight other factions/countries?

It looks like both.

[Tinfect]

No i didn't miss those, the problem with them is that the term "Beam" implies that is has a conic spread, that would cause temporary or maybeminor long term damaging effect to civilian populations. the Molten Slag, also indicates a wide spread and uncontrolled after use, it could affect the civilian view of the "Harmonist" faction in a negative way. I mean this is war sure, but i'm pretty sure magma-like weapons would freak out some civi's, while plasma weapon seem to be common use. Like i said a while back in the main ooc, "Its not the weapon, its the way you use it."

I rather meant it in more of this way:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... assing.jpg
(Link because NS will not let me embed the Image)

Besides, the ST Population seem to be comfortable with advanced technology, and when the Revolution starts, the Beams will be met with Cheers from our new puppets allies.

[Deminis]

No i didn't miss those, the problem with them is that the term "Beam" implies that is has a conic spread, that would cause temporary or maybe minor long term damaging effect to civilian populations. the Molten Slag, also indicates a wide spread and uncontrolled after use, it could affect the civilian view of the "Harmonist" faction in a negative way. I mean this is war sure, but i'm pretty sure magma-like weapons would freak out some civi's, while plasma weapon seem to be common use. Like i said a while back in the main ooc, "Its not the weapon, its the way you use it."

Yeah, one problem.

Nape tends to not be the most popular with civies, especially when they see the aftermath.

The reason I say this is that your plasma weapons sound a lot like nape in it's effects.

Na, its more like when a large railgun shoots a tank, The speed of the projectile super heats it, when it goes through the tank, the air in the tank is also super heated, enough so to instantly kill the persons inside.

Will countries be fighting each other, or will factions fight other factions/countries?

It looks like both.

[Allancia]

No i didn't miss those, the problem with them is that the term "Beam" implies that is has a conic spread, that would cause temporary or maybe minor long term damaging effect to civilian populations. the Molten Slag, also indicates a wide spread and uncontrolled after use, it could affect the civilian view of the "Harmonist" faction in a negative way. I mean this is war sure, but i'm pretty sure magma-like weapons would freak out some civi's, while plasma weapon seem to be common use. Like i said a while back in the main ooc, "Its not the weapon, its the way you use it."

Yeah, one problem.

Nape tends to not be the most popular with civies, especially when they see the aftermath.

The reason I say this is that your plasma weapons sound a lot like nape in it's effects.

Will countries be fighting each other, or will factions fight other factions/countries?

It looks like both.

Aw shit. I don't suppose nations that support the same faction could strike a non-aggression pact?

[Aeiouia]

I quickly threw this together, just because. Yes, I know that it does not use the Civilization Beyond Earth Harmonist logo, but still.

[Tinfect]

Aw shit. I don't suppose nations that support the same faction could strike a non-aggression pact?

I Imagine that would rather be the idea.

[Allancia]

I quickly threw this together, just because:

(Image)

What the hell.
That's nice as fuck. Like actually.
Okay, I'm going to see if I can make one tomorrow for the Stratocrats, or at least the Antic Order.

[Atomic Utopia]

Yeah, one problem.

Nape tends to not be the most popular with civies, especially when they see the aftermath.

The reason I say this is that your plasma weapons sound a lot like nape in it's effects.





It looks like both.

Na, its more like when a large railgun shoots a tank, The speed of the projectile super heats it, when it goes through the tank, the air in the tank is also super heated, enough so to instantly kill the persons inside.

Edited to make it more obvious what you were saying,

Well in that case, that will have problems when it reaches any delicate electronics, and the reactor probably will not be too happy when it's auto-scram system is melted/damaged a lot. Anything that can carbonize a person instantly will damage a structure and absolutely melt any electronics in the region around it.

[Deminis]

I am very confused now... because its showing me that i posted what Allancia posted... but i didnt post all that... I am confused...

[Deminis]

Na, its more like when a large railgun shoots a tank, The speed of the projectile super heats it, when it goes through the tank, the air in the tank is also super heated, enough so to instantly kill the persons inside.

Edited to make it more obvious what you were saying,

Well in that case, that will have problems when it reaches any delicate electronics, and the reactor probably will not be too happy when it's auto-scram system is melted/damaged a lot. Anything that can carbonize a person instantly will damage a structure and absolutely melt any electronics in the region around it.

Alright. I can understand that, but i was thinking that would be used in situation where hostile forces were holding out in civilian structures. Either way, im just trying to say dont forget me when your planing your stuff

[Atomic Utopia]

Edited to make it more obvious what you were saying,

Well in that case, that will have problems when it reaches any delicate electronics, and the reactor probably will not be too happy when it's auto-scram system is melted/damaged a lot. Anything that can carbonize a person instantly will damage a structure and absolutely melt any electronics in the region around it.

Alright. I can understand that, but i was thinking that would be used in situation where hostile forces were holding out in civilian structures. Either way, im just trying to say dont forget me when your planing your stuff

That actually sounds like a good idea. Removes the enemy force without my guys attempting to break in to the buildings and remove them themselves, reducing casualties.

Good idea.

[Tinfect]

Alright. I can understand that, but i was thinking that would be used in situation where hostile forces were holding out in civilian structures. Either way, im just trying to say dont forget me when your planing your stuff

Oh, I certainly won't, do not worry about that. Your ships just do not really have the Planetary Bombardment capability that our ships can level. So, as previously mentioned, you will likely want to try and stick around the Aeiouian Vessels until we deliver your Triarius Is.

But on the topic of planetary bombardment, that sounds to be quite effective, so keep that around if we need it.