SACTO Supporters Executed [DIPLOMATIC | OPEN | MT | OOC]

[Riysa]

Alright, I'm here. What's the issue about the missiles?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Alright, I'm here. What's the issue about the missiles?

I fired 60 (not in one area, across a broad plane of hundreds of kilometers from multiple angles) JASSM-ER missiles at targets in Ardoki.
They were fired from 500km away from the coast at targets WITHIN 300km of the coast.

Ardoki thinks linear logic can be used to determine how long a window he has to intercept them; my point is that the cruise missiles will drop under the horizon and the chance of detecting them is very low when they are at sea behind the cover of the horizon. They will become more vunerable* once they crest the horizon around 26-40km away from shore, but even then still have the advantage of a small RCS signature and as cruise missiles will hug the terrain to make some potential intercepts harder.

[Riysa]

What radars is he using, and what range is he claiming to detect it at?

[Inyourfaceistan]

What radars is he using, and what range is he claiming to detect it at?

He hasn't posted anything IC, he was just heckling me for the speed of AGM-158 (it's subsonic, that's all thats available publicly and that's all you need to know).
But then he made an estimate and said he had "44 minutes" to engage them, but I said that's false because of horizon line + non-linear flight path.

[Quirina]

I'm gonna send a good letter to Ardoki, but I don't plan any flexing yet like what Aey may do. I need a seat and a sack of cooked popcorn.

[Ardoki]

Okay Inyursta, if your missiles are travelling at an unspecified subsonic speed.

I'll be generous and assume 340 m/s, which equals 1224 km/h (20.4 km/min).

If the missiles have to fly 900 kilometres, that would mean I would have 44 minutes and 28 seconds in which to shoot down the missiles.

This is all based off the very vague information you gave me, and would be more of a mean (average) calculation.

Partially false, and totally over simplified.

You would have roughly around that time between the point of launch and when they hit their targets.
But news flash, the world isnt a flat surface, most defences won't even have a chance to see them until they crest the horizon line around 24 - 40km away, and even then it's just a short window until some of them pass into areas of low-defensibility and keep in mind they are still RCS-reduced so a radar operating on the edge of its range isn't going to see them if they don't pass directly over it.

Once again, I fired sixty. Naturally some will be intercepted regardless and others will strike their targets regardless...

That is why, I quickly replied to that post and said that I obviously wouldn't be able to detect them for all of that time (it was in the post right below).

[Ardoki]

We have a lot of S-400 equivalents around the coast, for air incursions such as these.

Now we have OTH radar installations, however they are only an early warning system primarily for naval incursions and such.

We have long range multi-static radar installations as well, for air incursions. Plus passive radar and ESM (installation and AWACs in the air).

[New Aeyariss]

Ardoki no offence but OTH radar will not distinguish between a civilian plane and military aircraft. It will only show that something is there, not what is there.

[Ardoki]

Ardoki no offence but OTH radar will not distinguish between a civilian plane and military aircraft. It will only show that something is there, not what is there.

I know. That is why I stated that they are an early warning system for naval incursions.

We have a lot of S-400 equivalents around the coast, for air incursions such as these.

Now we have OTH radar installations, however they are only an early warning system primarily for naval incursions and such.

We have long range multi-static radar installations as well, for air incursions. Plus passive radar and ESM (installation and AWACs in the air).

[Aeyariss]

What does that even mean though?

I can't roleplay a nuclear attack against Ardoki Empire without your consent. But I sure as hell can launch a missile test provided I don't target any Ardokian target.

This thread was always only a diplomatic thread.

Sorry, not everyone share the idea of 'diplomatic' RP involving only sending boring communique letters; I'm going to spice things up with lots of sabre rattling that doesn't involves direct military attack. You can expect SACTO to do the same.

Yet people are all attacking me.

Well I count only IYF so far. Not all. Aeyariss Empire is attacking you diplomatically by sabre rattlings. Besides you are not supposed to know about the SSBN missile test.

[Ardoki]

What does that even mean though?

I can't roleplay a nuclear attack against Ardoki Empire without your consent. But I sure as hell can launch a missile test provided I don't target any Ardokian target.

This thread was always only a diplomatic thread.

Sorry, not everyone share the idea of 'diplomatic' RP involving only sending boring communique letters; I'm going to spice things up with lots of sabre rattling that doesn't involves direct military attack. You can expect SACTO to do the same.

Yet people are all attacking me.

Well I count only IYF so far. Not all. Aeyariss Empire is attacking you diplomatically by sabre rattlings. Besides you are not supposed to know about the SSBN missile test.

You haven't done anything wrong. I would just prefer, if no one conducted actions which would result in a war.

Dewhurst is fine in breaching my territorial sovereignty, as intend to take his ship captive (and not attack except in defence) instead of a war.

[New Aeyariss]

I am also not going to attack you Ardoki, yet know that I am going to do some provocations .

[Ardoki]

I am also not going to attack you Ardoki, yet know that I am going to do some provocations .

That's fine.

The problem I am in now, is that Inyursta is directly attacking me. In an act of war my government will not be able to ignore. We will retaliate, and I can only see a scenario of increasing retaliatory attacks between us that is.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

I am also not going to attack you Ardoki, yet know that I am going to do some provocations .

That's fine.

The problem I am in now, is that Inyursta is directly attacking me. In an act of war my government will not be able to ignore. We will retaliate, and I can only see a scenario of increasing retaliatory attacks between us that is.

Trouble is, how do you prove who did what?

[New Aeyariss]

OOC: Eh since I'm bored, I'll join in on SACTO's side, if that's ok.

Sorry, you are no SACTO, DS .

[Ardoki]

That's fine.

The problem I am in now, is that Inyursta is directly attacking me. In an act of war my government will not be able to ignore. We will retaliate, and I can only see a scenario of increasing retaliatory attacks between us that is.

Trouble is, how do you prove who did what?

We would strongly expect it to be SACTO. If we can't figure out who exactly did it, we would respond against all of SACTo in the only way we can.

[Aeyariss]

Sorry, you are no SACTO, DS .

OOC: That doesn't mean I cannot sympathize with them and view this execution as an atrocity.

Just take the neutral side. We have issues with you taking actions under/in the name of SACTO.

[Ardoki]

Sorry, you are no SACTO, DS .

OOC: That doesn't mean I cannot sympathize with them and view this execution as an atrocity.

They planned terrorist attacks, against innocent civilians.

On a different note, I'm planning to arrest more SACTO sympathisers. We will transfer them to one of our genetic experimentation/modification and cloning programs.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

OOC: That doesn't mean I cannot sympathize with them and view this execution as an atrocity.

They planned terrorist attacks, against innocent civilians.

On a different note, I'm planning to arrest more SACTO sympathisers. We will transfer them to one of our genetic experimentation/modification and cloning programs.

Literally easier just to palm them off to us

[Ardoki]

They planned terrorist attacks, against innocent civilians.

On a different note, I'm planning to arrest more SACTO sympathisers. We will transfer them to one of our genetic experimentation/modification and cloning programs.

Literally easier just to palm them off to us

Why? They can contribute to Ardoki's medical and scientific advance, plus I can have fun with them.

[Aeyariss]

...hmm, on a second thought, I'm bored with this one.

Have fun. Massacre all SACTO sympathiser as you wish Ardoki.

[Ardoki]

...hmm, on a second thought, I'm bored with this one.

Have fun. Massacre all SACTO sympathiser as you wish Ardoki.

Okay. Bye.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Literally easier just to palm them off to us

Why? They can contribute to Ardoki's medical and scientific advance, plus I can have fun with them.

Nice to see Ardoki's still stuck using 1940's concentration camp medicinal research, be a while before they join us in the 21st century

[Ardoki]

Why? They can contribute to Ardoki's medical and scientific advance, plus I can have fun with them.

Nice to see Ardoki's still stuck using 1940's concentration camp medicinal research, be a while before they join us in the 21st century

We are not villains, we only subject those who would otherwise be executed to our research.

Millions of lives have been saved due to our experiments!

[Inyourfaceistan]

We have a lot of S-400 equivalents around the coast, for air incursions such as these.

Okay that's great. JASSM was made to make it harder for systems like the S-300 family to engage them, so good thing I fired JASSM! *sarcastic thumbs up*

We have long range multi-static radar installations as well, for air incursions. Plus passive radar and ESM (installation and AWACs in the air).

AWAC's would be the biggest threat to the missiles, as they are the only thing that COULD potentially see them, doesn't mean they will and doesn't mean they won't, just means that some COULD.

But once again I think you are forgetting that the world isn't flat. A shore based radar is only going to see a low altitude target from 26-40km (depending on its exact height) away because of the horizon line. (Hence why OTH is a thing)
And once they pass over land terrain and ground clutter will become factors impeding their ability to engage the missiles.