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by Giovenith » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:05 am
by Yasuragi » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:07 am
Giovenith wrote:Guys, can we calm down and tackle one thing at a time?
I'm all for change, but waving our spears in the air and chanting, "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!" at the mods has already been shown to be fruitless. Fris has pointed out that the moderation team is in fact facing real issues with "fixing it," but our problem is that their solution for those issues isn't working out. The fact is though, this is all moderation can come up with. If we want change, we're going to need to put our heads together, think of a way to untangle these problems ourselves, and then present what we find to the people upstairs. We have to do more than campaign, we have to actively draw up new documents.
Is there any mentor still on right now that would be willing to put together some sort of way for those with ideas to come together and discuss their possibility for being incorporated into the site?
by Registug » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:07 am
Giovenith wrote:Guys, can we calm down and tackle one thing at a time?
I'm all for change, but waving our spears in the air and chanting, "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!" at the mods has already been shown to be fruitless. Fris has pointed out that the moderation team is in fact facing real issues with "fixing it," but our problem is that their solution for those issues isn't working out. The fact is though, this is all moderation can come up with. If we want change, we're going to need to put our heads together, think of a way to untangle these problems ourselves, and then present what we find to the people upstairs. We have to do more than campaign, we have to actively draw up new documents.
Is there any mentor still on right now that would be willing to put together some sort of way for those with ideas to come together and discuss their possibility for being incorporated into the site?
Registug wrote:Registug wrote:Oh gee, I just took a look at the R/D summit subforum. That looks a whole lot like what I was talking about. Someone reel me in before I go about embarrassing myself like that next time.
Does anyone have a summary of the changes people wanted to implement at the R/D summit? Also if anyone proposed an opt-out system that would work?Registug wrote:It does sound a bit difficult, doesn't it?
but still, putting some ideas out is better than going "baaaww, why won't the game techs do anything? " and waiting for something to happen.
Throwing around ideas on what we could do is better than nothing, because even if there's a million shitty ideas, there could be one that's the perfect solution.
Perhaps we could make a thread in Technical about it?
by Lyras » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:08 am
Giovenith wrote:Guys, can we calm down and tackle one thing at a time?
I'm all for change, but waving our spears in the air and chanting, "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!" at the mods has already been shown to be fruitless. Fris has pointed out that the moderation team is in fact facing real issues with "fixing it," but our problem is that their solution for those issues isn't working out. The fact is though, this is all moderation can come up with. If we want change, we're going to need to put our heads together, think of a way to untangle these problems ourselves, and then present what we find to the people upstairs. We have to do more than campaign, we have to actively draw up new documents.
Is there any mentor still on right now that would be willing to put together some sort of way for those with ideas to come together and discuss their possibility for being incorporated into the site?
Mokastana: Then Lyras happened.
Allanea: Wanting to avoid fighting Lyras' fuck-huge military is also a reasonable IC consideration
TPF: Who is stupid enough to attack a Lyran convoy?
Sumer: Honestly, I'd rather face Doom's military with Doom having a 3-1 advantage over me, than take a 1-1 fight with a well-supplied Lyran tank unit.
Kinsgard: RL Lyras is like a real life video game character.
Ieperithem: Eighty four. Eighty four percent of their terrifyingly massive GDP goes directly into their military. And they actually know how to manage it. It's safe to say there isn't a single nation that could feasibly stand against them if they wanted it to die.
Yikes. Just... Yikes.
by Wisconsin9 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:09 am
Giovenith wrote:Guys, can we calm down and tackle one thing at a time?
I'm all for change, but waving our spears in the air and chanting, "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!" at the mods has already been shown to be fruitless. Fris has pointed out that the moderation team is in fact facing real issues with "fixing it," but our problem is that their solution for those issues isn't working out. The fact is though, this is all moderation can come up with. If we want change, we're going to need to put our heads together, think of a way to untangle these problems ourselves, and then present what we find to the people upstairs. We have to do more than campaign, we have to actively draw up new documents.
Is there any mentor still on right now that would be willing to put together some sort of way for those with ideas to come together and discuss their possibility for being incorporated into the site?
by Lyras » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:12 am
Wisconsin9 wrote:Giovenith wrote:Guys, can we calm down and tackle one thing at a time?
I'm all for change, but waving our spears in the air and chanting, "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!" at the mods has already been shown to be fruitless. Fris has pointed out that the moderation team is in fact facing real issues with "fixing it," but our problem is that their solution for those issues isn't working out. The fact is though, this is all moderation can come up with. If we want change, we're going to need to put our heads together, think of a way to untangle these problems ourselves, and then present what we find to the people upstairs. We have to do more than campaign, we have to actively draw up new documents.
Is there any mentor still on right now that would be willing to put together some sort of way for those with ideas to come together and discuss their possibility for being incorporated into the site?
It seems to me that the simplest solution would be moderator oversight. If requested, a mod could take a look at a region, and if it's clearly an RP region the liberation gets removed.
Mokastana: Then Lyras happened.
Allanea: Wanting to avoid fighting Lyras' fuck-huge military is also a reasonable IC consideration
TPF: Who is stupid enough to attack a Lyran convoy?
Sumer: Honestly, I'd rather face Doom's military with Doom having a 3-1 advantage over me, than take a 1-1 fight with a well-supplied Lyran tank unit.
Kinsgard: RL Lyras is like a real life video game character.
Ieperithem: Eighty four. Eighty four percent of their terrifyingly massive GDP goes directly into their military. And they actually know how to manage it. It's safe to say there isn't a single nation that could feasibly stand against them if they wanted it to die.
Yikes. Just... Yikes.
by Giovenith » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:16 am
Yasuragi wrote:Wasn't that the whole idea of the R/D Summit thingymajig, to revise it?
The one that a mod told us could not be reconvened/restarted unless requested by [violet]? I'm not sure if they'd look kindly on players starting one up...
by Wisconsin9 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:17 am
Lyras wrote:Wisconsin9 wrote:It seems to me that the simplest solution would be moderator oversight. If requested, a mod could take a look at a region, and if it's clearly an RP region the liberation gets removed.
Conceptually I like this idea, but is rather hands-on. Maybe a mod-report oversight request?
by The Grey Wolf » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:17 am
by Nierr » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:22 am
Cata Larga wrote:Bone Fort wrote:I'm honestly surprised this thread hasn't gotten any raider supporters or mods yet.
Seriously, when will the mods open their ears and listen? Why the hell do they value Gameplay over Roleplay?
If you ask me, it's because:
- RP board mods are far outnumbered by gameplay and general mods.
- Most of those RP board mods are inactive or apathetic to moderation concerns.
- Several roleplayers who, should they have contributed equivalently in another board, would have been promoted to moderator status, are instead given mentor status and a pat on the back.
By all rights, an RPer like Yohannes or Kylarnatia should have been chosen for a moderator position over Mallorea and Riva, or at least a more responsible R/D player like Unibot. Unfortunately, general and gameplay hegemony over the moderation staff seems to have shot that down.
by Nierr » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:27 am
The Kraven Corporation wrote:There shouldn't be a need to change game mechanics, simply put, regions not wanting to participate in R/D should have a tag saying so in the region, then out of respect and honour for the game R/D's should avoid involving that region.
Wooo problem solved!
Sign me up, it shouldn't have gotten this far.
Kraven
by Prekonate » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:30 am
by Wisconsin9 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:31 am
Bone Fort wrote:If only the people who don't want to play R/D put the tag up, how is that a threat to the game? If you have to force people to participate, why bother keeping the game alive?
by Nierr » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:33 am
The Grey Wolf wrote:I think the biggest issue here, and that people are losing sight of, is that M&R, along with other raiders, is trying to use the WA to force a region into playing their little ego game. Opting out shouldn't be the issue here, regional rights, particularily rp regions, should be the issue.
Excuse my slippery slope, but the idea that the WA can remove passwords and the like, because a bunch of raiders are bored, kind of makes me nervous.
by Giovenith » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:34 am
by Prekonate » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:35 am
Bone Fort wrote:If you have to force people to participate, why bother keeping the game alive?
by Nierr » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:35 am
by Imperializt Russia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:39 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Grey Wolf » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:39 am
Nierr wrote:Bone Fort wrote:
And that's where the Mods come in.
And the last time you had mods deciding on r/d stuff, it got some contentious and controversial that the mechanics of the game itself was altered with the introduction of influence.
As it is, if Liberate Haven passed, if raiders raided it, it would take literally years for them to remove all the nations. Years.
by Dontgonearthere » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:49 am
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