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Postby The Fedral Union » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:01 pm

as it said this is the ooc thread for Ganks trial thing.

@F799
Ok let me put it to you strait F799, power means nothing its about the story, you can be shooting stars at me I will balance it out in order not to take immediate death. Lets get on with the story, seriously all this ranting is giving me a headache. The reason my ships are so tough and powerful is because I have less than 1,000 of them active I have about 650 ships in my entire capital ship fleet my frigates will be more susceptible to fire because they are escorts.

@Asuaw: I think instant regeneration is much, I can accept the fact that your armor is tough since you sacrifice shields and don't expect to do insta damage but instant Regen has the capability to be abused heavily if you catch my drift?

Here's some info
Heavy cruiser:
http://wiki.esusalliance.co.uk/index.ph ... phon_class (Scroll down to flight II)
Info on my weapons:
http://wiki.esusalliance.co.uk/index.ph ... der_Cannon
http://wiki.esusalliance.co.uk/index.ph ... is_Missile
http://wiki.esusalliance.co.uk/index.ph ... ing_Cannon
http://wiki.esusalliance.co.uk/index.ph ... rpoon_APKW
Armor:
http://wiki.esusalliance.co.uk/index.ph ... um_Mark_II
I've not written all my shielding down but it basically goes:
Dimensional shields (filters out about 55% damage from weapons fire on heavy cap ships, letting the rest of the shields absorb the remainder). Regenerative Gravatic shields and general force fields protect the ship from what ever damage makes it through the D shields. They are often redundant with back ups.

Shells:
As you know I have autocannons/ gravatic guns firing C fracs at you, the heavy cruiser has multiple sixteen meter long barrels mounted four on each turret they fire out at Cfrac speeds, the shells are various kinds, including harpoons, anti matter, cluster shells, Nuclear shells, and bomb pumped Gamma-ray laser shells) Like shaped charges..
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Postby Rethan » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:08 pm

The Fedral Union wrote:@Asuaw: I think instant regeneration is much, I can accept the fact that your armor is tough since you sacrifice shields and don't expect to do insta damage but instant Regen has the capability to be abused heavily if you catch my drift?


Just a quick note, and yes I am aware I'm not in this thread but I've been watching it.

I'm a massive opponent of bioweaponry. To me the idea that flesh, spongey tissue and bone/chitin could ever match metal seems foolish. That being said, I do love Bio-weaponry. Tyranids FTW. Anyway, I don't think insta-regen is too much of a problem, so long as it relies on a food store or material store. Once that's wasted, the ship regens much slower. I don't know how Asuaw's ships work, but that would seem like a logical abuse-prevention system. Not to sound like I'm accusing Asuaw of abusing his tech. I've seen no evidence. Just weighing in my $0.02
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Postby Asuaw » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:23 pm

Im sorry, I should have clarified my regen earlier. It is almost instantaneous in the beginning, but like anything, requires energy. By conctatnly bombarding it, you are depleting the ships supply of energy, similar to depleting the supply of energy for shields. Not to mention it requires a supply of organic material to keep it up. I apologize if my bio-tech seems to powerful or something. I simply used it to add some flavor to my nation, and not have it simply use star trek or star wars technology like everyone else. Also, I am quite willing to lose this battle, I just want a good fight before that happens. I will be totally honest if something comes up that I believe could destroy my fleet.
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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:25 pm

I like that idea Rethan, Asuaw?


@F799
Ok let me put it to you strait F799, power means nothing its about the story, you can be shooting stars at me I will balance it out in order not to take immediate death. Lets get on with the story, seriously all this ranting is giving me a headache. The reason my ships are so tough and powerful is because I have less than 1,000 of them active I have about 650 ships in my entire capital ship fleet my frigates will be more susceptible to fire because they are escorts.


hate to break it to you, but power does mean something in any story. If it doesn't than your bombardment of Gank could have no effects, and my droids could self destruct and envelope the only planet no wait even better galaxy but not do any damage at all. That is simply a rediculious claim.
As I said in the thread I do not want any one shot kills, I simply wish for you to take some damage and not negate everything to shields, shields are not perfect. As for Star Wars tech, that's what I am using right now so we're gonna go with how it is.
Congratulations on having some amazing ships, they are however, not indestructable, and have not taken ANY damage from either my or Asuaw's attacks, highly improbable given the size of my fleet and the types of his attacks.
Also, given the thread I brought in such a large fleet of SW based ships in an attemp to dissaude any space battles. This was supposed to be sticky diplomatic negotiations in a hostage crisis, not a war or even a battle. The large numbe of ships I brought were to help maintain the peace, given the improbability of a successful attack on them- I believe it could be classified as an "uber armada of death" as someone once said. I did not think you would be foolish enough to do anything, this was just an insurance policy. Now that you have attacked, you have left me no choice. If you would like I could bring almost all of F799's naval fleet in, since most of my systems ae fairly close by. Don't think yourself so above the rest of us and your ships so powerful (but then again power doesn't matter does it) that they can withstand such a massive barrage without taking ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER, that is simply crazy!
This is the way the story has turned so we can pursue it, and the story will continue as long as all parties act in a way that is semireasonable. I am willing to grant that you have withstood the initial attack, however your shields need to be on the verge of dying out or failing- we are talking A LOT of energy here.

oh P.S. I don't think you can claim Asuaw's armor is unfair because it instantly regenerates, when your shields simply take anything thrown at them. If you can have such high and mighty ships so can Asuaw can have instant regen armor. fair is fair. I see no problems with this. If that is how we are going to play.
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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:35 pm

Having inspected the link you provided per you ships, I find that even with such a massive armor array, you are simply outgunned by my massive fleet. Even in a one on one skirmish between any one of your ships and any one of my ships in our two fleets you would be outgunned, outmanned, and outclassed-even with your super-duper shields. Please realize this and play accordingly.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:45 pm

So because my specs aren't as ub3r and don't have enough numbers as your supposed warsie wank ships do? I mean to hell with story and writing right? I am supposed to just roll over and die? Riveting tale chap!
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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:58 pm

No, what I am saying is that you need to take specs into consideration, you can still fight back and such whatnot I'd be happy if you did as I wouldn like a decent fight; however, it is no fun if you're going to godmod your ships as you seem to be doing. Shields are not an automatic take no damage card. Once again, play fair, take some damage and keep on fighting and we can all have some fun. Don't be concerned with being the best, just play, who cares if you win or loose or are outgunned just go with it and make the best out of any situation. I've been in places with a single ship and a plethora of enemy ships, and no i didn't just keel over and die, but I did make a show of getting destroyed. Have some fun with it realizing you might loose some of your ships. Again, play fair and realize that you are not the best or invincible.
Every time I send ships into a battle I have already factored that at least some will take heavy damage and or be destroyed, it's just a fact of life. So chum get your ships and fight and take some damage, explode in a magnificent fireball or something, you still control how you die, that is some power you do retain. Just ditch your megasuperstopeverythngwithoutastratchshields. Although Gank might have your shields now, if you are willing to play even remotely fair. Afteall he has an entire planet to shoot back.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:00 pm

You just said I should "play accordingly." Irony right there, you've no idea what my yields are and I don't post about them and please do not speak down at me like I'm a nooblet I've been on NS for six years and clawed my self to were I am right now I know how to rp and I know how to fight. Patronization is unbecoming. This is supposed to be fun, not a whine fest about damages and specs, you fired one salvo, you expect me to take insta damage to hell with shields? to hell with rp abilities?


Also how does gank have my shields, by trying to rape a woman who works in my STATE DEPARTMENT, that makes as much sense ad Hilary Clinton having the specs to the F-22 on hand. She doesn't, unless you've rped a spy icly infiltrating my military industrial complex, its another case of cool story bro.
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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:47 pm

The gank have a weapon, in as much as I can gather, that instead of firing at your shields, absorbs them and transfers the energy from them into it's own shields-correct me if I am wrong Gank. And I don't think rape is the correct term here, he simply took her pirsoner and tortured her as you are now doing to his planet. Fair is fair?
You are correct i am unfamiliar with your ships; however, basic common knowledge would tell us what I have been trying to explain according to size and weapon power. All weapons take up room, room not being used for shields or engines or whatever, thus the more weapons (aka offensive power) the less shields (aka defensive power (or engines or luxury your ship should have. Thus a ship that was simply life support a bridge and engines would go a heck of a lot faster than a regular starship, and a ship bristled with every weapon known to mankind would have less shield or engine power. From what we can see from your ships, and their relative size, they have a nice chunk of offensive weaponry, thus you cannot have super shields as well. The weapons you are boasting (thousands of rockets at once mind you) may even outfire some of my ships, as such something else has to suffer. The physics of building a ship dictate that. Gank is doing so, his ships are a bridge armor and engines, that;s about it. Asuaw sacrificed a crew and shields for organic technology, sacrifices for gains. Poor to no shields well then his entire ship is more vulnerable to a large attack, cause armor can't regrow if it ain't there bub. My ships are gargantion, thus slower overall, but more capable of bolstering more weapons and shields. Your ships ae smaller and have already displayed a massive amount of offensive might, please explain how your shields can be super-uber as well without this being near godmodding?
Damage and specs do hold sway over the entire RP though you may not think so. One salvo from my entire fleet which dwarfs your fleet by the way would have some sort of effect, even if it was "shields are low after that last blast captain, we can't take another one of those." Then you would at least be aknowledging that you were fired upon and do have a weakness. however you sdimply went oh ladeda my shields absorbed it and I sent the next armageddon at all attacking ships and continued bombing the poop out of the planet. Does that sound fair to you?

I will be in touch with the other members of this RP and see what they think. Perhaps a vote? we could vote to determine whether your actions are viable? That sounds about as fair as we can get right? Or are you willing to just think about what I said and realize that maybe I do have a point?
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Postby Rethan » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:06 pm

I hate to get involved in an argument over an RP I'm not involved in but F799 I need you to think about something. Actually, everyone could do with a thinking here.

SW canon is woefully variable. Star Destroyers go from being beaten by X-Wings to surviving a Supernova. The strength of SW tech changes in each movie, book and comic to suit the writer's needs. The same thing should apply here. I haven't read the posts in that thread, but I plan on doing so. Consider me a neutral observer and arbitrator if you so wish. Although, an RP shouldn't need a referee so to speak, but to avoid a bitchfest overcoming what could end up with a possibly promising long term envying of each other and cold war politics it might be necessary. I see some promising stuff from the new guys (and by new, I mean I haven't see you around as much as I have TFU. No offence intended). Gank came up with a very impressive diplomacy problem and I'm kind of sorry to see it devolve into shooting matches. I don't blame anyone, and I sound like a hypocrit. If Gank had kidnapped some Rethast his planet would have been glass and ash faster than he could say "Sorry!" With that in mind, this could turn out to be a very interesting plot point for all if you guys play your cards right.

First off, if TFU did make it difficult to determine damage to his shields, that's his bad and I'm sure he'll rectify it in his next post. You can't expect critical shield failure from one shot. Well, not against someone with a pop to fleet ratio of TFU anyway. The basic rule in FT for guideline terms is 1,000 capitals for every 1 billion people in your NS nation stats. However, that's a cardboard fleet. Now, I hate using this because it lets some people claim that their ships are 14,000 more powerful than someone elses because of their pop and not RP skills. But TFU's fleet is quality over quantity, so his stuff is going to be strong.

Secondly, I've spoken with TFU on many occassions about his tech. Your claims that a bigger ship would have more powerful stuff makes sense, but you forget about minituarisation. Computer chip size halves every two years and so on. TFU has put thought and time and RPing into his tech to make it as space to power efficient. He uses exotic matter, pocket dimensions and other very fancy things which SW nor ST have, and thus they work how he has described them as there is no canon to compare them to. You've taken tech straight from another canon. I'm not saying one over the other, but don't disregard his efforts because you think yours should be stronger. You outnumber him, yes, but he can afford to put a lot more money and time into each individual ship of his fleet than you can, making each one on one more powerful. Plus, if you're spreading your fire amongst all his ships that negates your advantage a little bit.

Stats do not matter. Winning does not matter. If I was to go by stats, I have an ally who I could easily crush. But I don't. I don't give a damn about someone's claimed power if they can't RP it well enough, and my ally RPs well enough that I would never want him coming after me.

So, the basic points I'd like to make
-The basic rule in FT is that the less you have of something, the more powerful it is. Numbers do not a winning strategy make.
-A weapon/ship/soldier is only as powerful as that particular thread needs it to be.
-Plot trumps stats.

Now, TFU if you have not made it clear that you have suffered some damage to your shields you will want to rectify that. An remember what I said to F799. All tech is as weak or strong as the thread needs it to be. No more, no less. I'm willing to give you leeway cos you're being dogpiled by 3 people here.

F799, do not try and clam an uber advantage because of numbers or stats because that makes you appears like a poor RPer or a "lulzwinnar" as some people call it. I'm not saying you are, in fact I think the opposite and you show promise, I enjoyed your posts in that diplomacy thing we had with Asuaw and Verlorenen, just keep in mind that to win requires effort, and not numbers pulled from a canon that's been written by hundreds of different people.

Gank, claiming your effects on another person is godmoding. Attacking TFU's lady person with psychic attacks is fine, saying what you stole and how much pain you caused is not. And I agree, a secretary of state is not going to have the slightest clue how a warship's shields work beyond "They turn on and we don't die."

Find a middle ground people. Grab each other's MSNs or something, get a civil discussion going and continue with a promisingly violent thread. Cos as TFU knows Chron and I are eager to come in and whack heads up in this joint. And anyone who knows Chron knows he's bad news by himself.

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Postby The Cosmic Balance » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:22 pm

I'll second Rethan on the foregoing. Story matters more than anything else, and numbers really don't matter much (a single TCB police cruiser can survive and sometimes even win an engagement against most fleets!). TFU should start showing damage, but I suspect he was planning on beginning to show the strain soon anyway, having seen him in action before. Like many players, he prefers longer battles, and I can't blame him.

Also, I will reinforce what Rethan said on IM panning: Is TFU ready to have Secretary of State Maryland killed or held captive forever by another power? Named characters with long histories matter, and in this circumstance the story arc I would prefer - indeed, even expect - to see would be her rescue or a situation in which Gank is forced at gunpoint to give her back. If TFU wasn't consulted on this, consultation now would be highly recommended.

Yes, there's a certain belief that if you use a "hero" character in an RP, you should expect to lose them: Yet the reality is that we put time into our "hero" characters and may not be willing to part with them easily, as though they were nothing. What's the point of spending hours fleshing something out only to see it burned in a few seconds of RP?

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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:33 pm

Thanks Rethan.
I apologize, I did not mean to imply that you TFU, should just die, in fact I am and still was hoping for a promising RP with some amazing destruction on both sides. I, also, realize that SW canon can be quite variable; however some respect for the items I choose to use would be appreciated nontheless.

Like TFU I have altered them some, not that they have been displayed greatly yet, but still altered nontheless, my ships-hence droid starfighters among other things. What bothers me the most is the simple refusal to grant that one might have an advantage. It would seem that TFU is unwilling to admit that he may be outnumbered and outgunned at this time. Having spoken with Gank, both over NS and via telephone actually, I doubt that this massive war is what he had in mind. So if we must stick to plot, my ships were threatened to arrive to ensure plot followings. This war is what is throwing the plot out of sequence. One which all players seem now willing to follow for the sake of RP.
The ships I am choosing to use are not easily defeated, as was indicated, and are able to subjugate entire planets. Due to the chances to abuse these powers these vessels are rarely used in any RPs, but these are the vessels that I use. They would ost likely not survive a supernova, but will not fall easily either. Take it or leave it for what it's worth, those are my ships. Just as Asuaw's are his own (which he has taken extended periods of time to work on and develop-having spoken with me about them on several occassions) and Gank's are his own. Everyone has his/her own style of ships and would like them to be "perfect" but they cannot and must not be so. Therfore, even though TFU has taken great time in developing his ships it does not make them any better than any other players should they so choose (hence the plot). Everyone can, to a point determine their own ships powers and abilities, but only to a point, from there on out the factors of the particular thread must be followed.

to note: Having spoken with Gank and messaged with Asuaw who now seem to be allies with me in this RP we have determined an ace up the sleeve approach (agreed on by all allied forces) if things are not rectified per what would seem overwhelmingly fair in a conflict of such. Gank's attack with his crystalline ram ships is a last ditch effort to see if TFU is willing to suffer losses, which he seems to have thus far indicated a refusal to do-as is my movement of the Exterminator into it's present position.

Since the plot seems to function on what is fair (and that seems to be the dilemma), and by joining and RPing that one has prisoners indicates that one is accepting that they were taken in some way-legally or not but "fair," nontheless it would seem that there have been breeches of godmodding-esque on both sides, Gank stealing all shields from a ship, which could be rectified with a simple "began attempting to syphone massive amounts of energy from the shields into their own ships" and TFU, which could also easily be fixed by taking some damage and admitting to the fact that perhaps his fleet (no matter how nicely upgraded, how much thought was put into it, and minituarized it may be) is not invincible. I think the opportunity has been provided in multiple ways now with the retaliations of myself, Gank, and Asuaw.

I will continue to RP this thread. Should the time arise when our ace up the sleeve need be used I have no doubt someone will use it. But at that time, I believe it will be to no avail, because it will only be deployed if nothing else seems to be working, and at that point why would the ace? But use it we shall nevertheless-at the very least as a last ditch effort to prove what seems already to be the case.

Again Rethan thanks for your input. I've been playing NS for years, off again and on again with a variety of different nations, depending on my RL suituations. F799 is my current one and has been around on and off again for a few years. But suffice to say, I've been around quite a while too. You just might not know it :)

I do not like argueing on nationstates. This is supposed to be my stress relief from some of the stresses of everyday life. When things like this come up it just makes it plain nasty. I enjoy the stories and adventures, and even the unforseen plot twists (even if they hurt me in the longrun or overall), I just hate argueing. I really enjoy when all players can just give and take and roll with the punches, working with the newer players and learning from everybody new or old-I believe all have A LOT to offer.
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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:34 pm

Also, I will reinforce what Rethan said on IM panning: Is TFU ready to have Secretary of State Maryland killed or held captive forever by another power? Named characters with long histories matter, and in this circumstance the story arc I would prefer - indeed, even expect - to see would be her rescue or a situation in which Gank is forced at gunpoint to give her back. If TFU wasn't consulted on this, consultation now would be highly recommended.

Yes, there's a certain belief that if you use a "hero" character in an RP, you should expect to lose them: Yet the reality is that we put time into our "hero" characters and may not be willing to part with them easily, as though they were nothing. What's the point of spending hours fleshing something out only to see it burned in a few seconds of RP?



n excellent point. I am at this very moment working out how to get my two big characters out with relatively as few scratches as possible.
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Postby Rethan » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:13 pm

Just a quick post to F799 before I head off. I'm running on over 60 hours awake and need to find where I'm sleeping tonight so forgive the short reply. I'll give your post a more thourough read later.

I have no problem with you using SW canon, and I afford it all due respect. In fact, I prefer it to ST. (Star Destroyer would pwn the Enterprise any day). However, realise that a regular Star Destroyer's turbolaser is a multi-gigaton weapon by canon stats, and a single SD has many hundreds of turbolasers. I TIE fighter's lasers are multi-megaton. Realistically, no ship would stand up to that kind of firepower. So canon must be obliterated for the sake of...well...fun, really.

That being said, I have noticed that you tend to RP in smaller scenarios with no more than one ship so you clearly don't go for warfare RPs. So if you were intended to be the "police force" for this thread, that's all well and good. It would be nice if everyone was all "Uh, somewhere along the line we screwed up. How about we stop shooting and chat about this. I'll make the tea". So, if TFU's all for that, maybe he could accept the outgunned and outnumbered state he is in, if only to bring things back. In my eyes, a blockade was a logical step for securing his people, even if he did jump to it a bit quickly. But TFU's not my nation, Rethan is. And Rethan would most likely leave its people to die, or nuke the planet prisoners and all just for laughs.

Just from what I was reading though i appeared you expected TFU to roll over and die. If that's not the case, I apologise. But the plot has evolved, and is always evolving in interactive RPs. It's now a war scenario, and a lot of players I've spoken to, ranging from Chron and TFU to Huerdae and Telros tend to agree that either you have massive fleets, or you have strong ships. You can have both, of course, but with TFU being gangbanged here 3 to 1, it seems only fair to allow him to claim at the very least a technological advantage over your ships F799. If you alone both out-tech (something few others are against TFU's ships) and out-number him, then this is going to be a walkover once you take into account your allie, which probably won't be fun for anyone.

My recommendation? Everyone finds an IC reason to stop shooting, the god modes get retconned or explained away, TFU makes it more obvious he's suffered damage and everyone goes back to tense diplomatic talks. That way I can jump in with my fighter-speed, star destroyer sized ships of doomy doom. I may use railguns and missiles versus lasers, but neener-neener-neener, you can't hit me. :p

Wow...I need sleep. Hope this works out for everyone. Start shooting some TGs around, grab MSN, Skyper, Phone numbers. Whatevs. Later.

EDIT: Damn, just saw TCBs post, sleep can wait. He's seen TFU in combat (I'm assuming) so I shall divert to his knowledge of how TFU works in war RPs. But I prefer long battles too, and if TFUs way of doing that is making his ships able to take an extraordinary amount of damage, that seems fair to me. It's boring if a battle is over in four or five posts. That's why my ships are so damn hard to hit. They last ages, makes for epic battles of epicness. Also, TCB, I'd like throwing a Police Cruiser up against one of my own uber ships from post-my hiatus. I always find small tiny five ship fleets with godlike ships more theatrical than big fleets of doomy doom. And I like me my theatrics.
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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:28 pm

you got it Rethan, I'm much more an on the ground one or two character RPing kinda guy. This was simply meant as a police force as most often even in space I only have 1-2 ships. This is actually most of my entire fleet, and all the big ships I own. As per SW canon I see your point, I guess I didn't figure it like that; just SW canon toned down to NS proportions?

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Postby Telros » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:49 pm

Yes, SW toned down to fit NS would be great. As Rethan stated (nice job on being mediator, Rethan, it's good to see someone else doing it), canon is all over the place, especially with the despised Supernova survival bit. So keep in mind you can be powerful, in the general guidelines he mentioned, but you have to keep it fun for players. For example, with Gank, I wouldn't rp at my full power if we got into a fight, unless I cleared it with him, so that he would have a chance against someone who has been playing longer and has a fleet similar to TFU's in quality and such. Not to mention, F799, most ships I know can do what you described to a world. I have kinetics, antimatter, and gravitic weapons. I can accelerate asteroids to fracs of .C and hurl them at a planet, I can bombard it with antimatter and literally peel away the atmosphere, and I can bombard it with kinetics that put the asteroid that hit Earth to shame. So really, BDZing a planet ain't that hard.

Now, as for Rethan's idea of getting you guys to sit down and talk it out again, I have a perfect way to do so. As you know, if you have read the thread, I posted sending a fleet to aid TFU, ICly we just thought a show of support to calm threats down, not entering a shoot match. The fleet is about 26 to 28 ships. A sizeable force. Therefore, they could arrive, see the situation, prepare for battle and the politely request everyone stand down and stop fighting. You can then do so and we can go back to negotiations. I will remain the peacekeeper to ensure fighting doesn't break out again.

And my final thing; remember guys, not all of us do stats and numbers on weapon power or shield output very well. Myself, being a veteran and all that, don't like to do numbers. I prefer to play with ideas and concepts. Therefore, try to accommodate that and have fun. And I do third, fourth, whatever'd the idea to return to the plot. Fighting is nice but at least have the whole diplomatic hoedown about the human sla- I MEAN, prisoners and then have a nice fight.

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EDIT: I will wait until I get confirmation that my idea is the one being used. Also, I will not be able post until sometime tomorrow, due to finals. As in it's my last day of school and I have tests. I should be able to bang out a post if I check this thread and find that my plan is a go. But it may be some time. So patience in this area would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:04 pm

I have a suspicion negotiations are going to be a bit tanese, the planet was bombarded after all! Some of the human diplomats were killed as well. I know thta Gank offered to free the priosners in an attempt to cease hostilities, so we'll have to see. Otherwise we might just go on fighting. Either way I'm rather indiffereant to what course we take at this point.
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Postby Telros » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:06 pm

Well, I am up for my plan, or if you guys choose combat, I can enter and start aiding TFU. I do not mind either pathway, it is Gank's thread after all. And if any of you have MSN, please telegram it to me so I can add you and work stuff out either way.

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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:11 pm

nope sorry. No MSN here. Just a note for the story, in cause it got missed, but TFU started the hostilities, He fired upon the planet after a discussion with one of my characters on the ground. not sure what to make of it, just wanted it in an easier to find locale for conversation purposes. However, I am unsure as to what the response of my allies will be to such a peace talk short of a full surrender. I know that F799 will not consent to peacetalks until the warcraft are moved out of the system. That was how this mess al started, they showed up and began firing when they got upset. Not a good thing if tense diplomatic discussions are to be raised. But if you post a peace plan i'll respond to it in turn.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:36 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annular_bl ... gmentation - (info of one of my weapons)

That post is to your liking?
Also F799 you gassed the facility and then set it on fire when my special forces tried to raid it (their still alive down there btw) I didn't know Kate was still alive after both events.
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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:49 pm

not to get technical but i think that was before they tried to raid it. Not sure that justified bombarding the entire planet though. :)

I liked it cause you indicated that some damage was taken and reacted in turn. The main concern was the lack thereof any damage indications, even (as previously stated) indicating it's wear on the shields and the indication that the shields could regen fairly quickly (aka supershields).
Sorry for all the arguements, here's to hoping for a good rest of the RP!
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Postby Telros » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:52 pm

Final note, due to final studying and such, I am going to wait until Gank says whether or not my plan is a go, and go from there. See the last part of my major talky post for more details.

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Postby F799 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:53 pm

I know Gank has school tomorrow so it might be tomorrow afternoon before he posts.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:55 pm

So.... how did your drones move in one move passed point defense to start taring at my hulls? I mean I don't get it. You're also ignoring my maneuvering I'm pretty much out flanking you. :eyebrow: Any who my next post will have waves of theses being deployed http://wiki.esusalliance.co.uk/index.ph ... os_Torpedo.
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Postby The Gank Federation » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:22 am

Okay, i looked at all of these posts and one thing. This post was origannaly a post for a Trial, hence the name. I didn't expect a battle, just a trial, but i was surprised with an attack. This post is going very great, even though it was not what i intended. In case you guys are wondering, the Gank federation has a super computer capable of predicting movements in the future. Not anything extreme, but like where a rocket is going to be at a certain time. With this technology, i'm able to predict movements of missles and the like, and shoot them down before they hit my planet. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew that.
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