GESO OOC thread.

[The Blaatschapen]

I split off some posts.

Itailian Maifias. Do not post IRC logs containing IP addresses, that includes linking to said logs. This breaks the rule as cited here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 260044#012

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The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

[Itailian Maifias]

I split off some posts.

Itailian Maifias. Do not post IRC logs containing IP addresses, that includes linking to said logs. This breaks the rule as cited here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044#012

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The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

M'apologies, I wasn't aware there was IP addresses in there. Won't happen again.

[The Blaatschapen]

I split off some posts.

Itailian Maifias. Do not post IRC logs containing IP addresses, that includes linking to said logs. This breaks the rule as cited here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044#012

*** Warned for publicizing fellow players IP addresses ***

Topic unlocked.

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

M'apologies, I wasn't aware there was IP addresses in there. Won't happen again.

Search on "@"s the next time you post an IRC log. They tend to be used in saying blaat@192.0.0.1 or something similar

[Itailian Maifias]

M'apologies, I wasn't aware there was IP addresses in there. Won't happen again.

Search on "@"s the next time you post an IRC log. They tend to be used in saying blaat@192.0.0.1 or something similar

Gotcha, thanks for the advice.

[The United Remnants of America]

I missed something, it seems.

But for as hated as you people seem to think GESO is in the greater FT community - it's not. Trust me. Most of the FT'ers are either ignorant of GESO, or they could care less one way or the other. I've been a part of some much more infamous groups on NS.

[The Fedral Union]

I missed something, it seems.

Yes you did; apparently dealing with apathy and trying to keep the group alive with rps is tyrannical... Apparently refusing to answer a question is not right I reserve... And apparently im a bad leader.... and everyone hates GESO in FT because I carry the burden alot.. You missed a witch hunt, you missed something so inane and so intense on IRC I almost walked away from GESO entirely.... My only crime is not answering the "prosecution"

Like senator McCarthy.

If they are ignorant; or could careless.. So what? We're still FT prime aren't we? doesn't mean we can rp with all of FT..

[The United Remnants of America]

I missed something, it seems.

Yes you did; apparently dealing with apathy and trying to keep the group alive with rps is tyrannical... Apparently refusing to answer a question is not right I reserve... And apparently im a bad leader.... and everyone hates GESO in FT because I carry the burden alot.. You missed a witch hunt, you missed something so inane and so intense on IRC I almost walked away from GESO entirely.... My only crime is not answering the "prosecution"

Like senator McCarthy.

If they are ignorant; or could careless.. So what? We're still FT prime aren't we? doesn't mean we can rp with all of FT..

Well, I hope you're not Senator McCarthy. He was a crazy person.

We're FT Prime by definition. The only way you can not be a part of FT Prime is if you close off your canon from the greater FT community, which we don't do. So we're FT Prime.

[The Fedral Union]

No, they hunted me down like they where senator McCarthy for refusing to answer a question... And refusing to accept my answer before hand...

[The United Remnants of America]

No, they hunted me down like they where senator McCarthy for refusing to answer a question... And refusing to accept my answer before hand...

I don't know who this mysterious "they" is.

I don't know what the question was.

I don't know why you avoided it.

[Ferret Civilization]

Wow, just woke up to see this... Sounds pretty terrible, I'm mean I haven't been here long, but is it always this crazy around these places? And Fedral Union, you seem like a pretty good leader to me, very proactive and friendly, seems like a good leader to me.

[The Fedral Union]

No, they hunted me down like they where senator McCarthy for refusing to answer a question... And refusing to accept my answer before hand...

I don't know who this mysterious "they" is.

I don't know what the question was.

I don't know why you avoided it.

Nah it was just Tellus and Don.. Thats "they"... And it had to do with my use of GRF assets when things where slow; things like that. Danius has information on it. I was trying to keep things rolling when times where slow and keep people interested; with no interest offered by the SC on anything and me having to constantly push for people to vote what choice did I have? SA you have the info now.

[Ferret Civilization]

Nah it was just Tellus and Don.. Thats "they"... And it had to do with my use of GRF assets when things where slow; things like that. Danius has information on it. I was trying to keep things rolling when times where slow and keep people interested; with no interest offered by the SC on anything and me having to constantly push for people to vote what choice did I have? SA you have the info now.

So, then what is a leader suppose to do if not that?

[The Fedral Union]

I made mistakes, and now some people have personal issues against me; I come here to have fun and try to make it fun for all of you and rp with you... If you see my post in the JA I agree with most of what Italian mafias had to say.... cept for a few previsions.. Witch is my right. then suddenly I say things off hand like Churchill did ... because of other situations and Suddenly I'm the kaiser.

We need reforms, that bill is the best way to do so ; but Im inclined and reserve the right as a member to disagree and as founding member to line item veto like him, like Tellus, Like Nal.... Or not participate in the clause.. Somehow it was a personal attack, that made someone jump from legitimate suspicious to rampant paranoia in one go. Did I say I didn't suppourt most of the initiatives? No I didn't... So yeah.. draw your own conclusions.

[The United Remnants of America]

I don't know who this mysterious "they" is.

I don't know what the question was.

I don't know why you avoided it.

Nah it was just Tellus and Don.. Thats "they"... And it had to do with my use of GRF assets when things where slow; things like that. Danius has information on it. I was trying to keep things rolling when times where slow and keep people interested; with no interest offered by the SC on anything and me having to constantly push for people to vote what choice did I have? SA you have the info now.

Getting everyone onboard with the GRF usage would have been a good idea. If not that, then a notice on the OOC thread. If no one dissents, then go ahead. A good group can't be run with one person. It's not a group then. A good group can also not be run by one person. If you want advice on how to into an RP group, I've been running Project Warfighter officially for almost a year now and have been running it unofficially for longer than that.

What you have to do is get a core of active poster together so you can take a backseat drive. And if this is the alliance you want to be, possibly treat it like the MT alliances do, and throw in elections for important positions. Take a backseat coordinator approach rather than such a hands-on system. Obviously people have problems with how you do things, and despite how they may come up with those problems, you have to at least hear them out and see what you can do to solve them.

You're OP. By definition on NS, it's OP's responsibility to the thread to make things run smoothly. By definition on other forums, OP is fag. Those two definitions have meshed here. Just don't panic.

[Ferret Civilization]

Oh, well, I can't see (Blocked website stuff.) any of the other thread things, IRC things, except for what is here on NS... So I can only take your word for it here. Sorry to hear that happened though, hell, if it wasn't for you I would have never have gotten involved anywhere more than the WA. You helped me get out there and to try and have fun even though I was new. And from what I have seen you try very hard to keep this organization going great.

[The United Remnants of America]

Oh, well, I can't see (Blocked website stuff.) any of the other thread things, IRC things, except for what is here on NS... So I can only take your word for it here. Sorry to hear that happened though, hell, if it wasn't for you I would have never have gotten involved anywhere more than the WA. You helped me get out there and to try and have fun even though I was new. And from what I have seen you try very hard to keep this organization going great.

As far as FT goes, GESO is really cut off and quiet. Which has it's blessings and curses.

[The Fedral Union]

Nah it was just Tellus and Don.. Thats "they"... And it had to do with my use of GRF assets when things where slow; things like that. Danius has information on it. I was trying to keep things rolling when times where slow and keep people interested; with no interest offered by the SC on anything and me having to constantly push for people to vote what choice did I have? SA you have the info now.

Getting everyone onboard with the GRF usage would have been a good idea. If not that, then a notice on the OOC thread. If no one dissents, then go ahead. A good group can't be run with one person. It's not a group then. A good group can also not be run by one person. If you want advice on how to into an RP group, I've been running Project Warfighter officially for almost a year now and have been running it unofficially for longer than that.

What you have to do is get a core of active poster together so you can take a backseat drive. And if this is the alliance you want to be, possibly treat it like the MT alliances do, and throw in elections for important positions. Take a backseat coordinator approach rather than such a hands-on system. Obviously people have problems with how you do things, and despite how they may come up with those problems, you have to at least hear them out and see what you can do to solve them.

You're OP. By definition on NS, it's OP's responsibility to the thread to make things run smoothly. By definition on other forums, OP is fag. Those two definitions have meshed here. Just don't panic.

Thats what I've been trying to do ; Let others take the lead, but the way things where went about oocly... the stuff said... It was just... It crossed a line. I tried that many times before and yet nothing to done; I'm simply icly voicing my nations position on the matter thats our right as it is yours.

[The Fedral Union]

Oh, well, I can't see (Blocked website stuff.) any of the other thread things, IRC things, except for what is here on NS... So I can only take your word for it here. Sorry to hear that happened though, hell, if it wasn't for you I would have never have gotten involved anywhere more than the WA. You helped me get out there and to try and have fun even though I was new. And from what I have seen you try very hard to keep this organization going great.

As far as FT goes, GESO is really cut off and quiet. Which has it's blessings and curses.

I wouldn't say cut off; more like indirectly effecting things; the whole point of my latest shindig was to create an atmosphere of intigurge and tension and a fun environment to rp in; but who wants to work with who? .. There are other issues at play people who cant let go of personal things no matter what.

[Ferret Civilization]

As far as FT goes, GESO is really cut off and quiet. Which has it's blessings and curses.

I wouldn't say cut off; more like indirectly effecting things; the whole point of my latest shindig was to create an atmosphere of intigurge and tension and a fun environment to rp in; but who wants to work with who? .. There are other issues at play people who cant let go of personal things no matter what.

Really, well okay... Guess I haven't been around long enough to understand the problems with those things yet. And what was going on before, like why is this becoming a problem now when it wasn't before, or was it?

[The Fedral Union]

Because now we don't need one person to organize things; the council is taking a more proactive approach; the problem is I was being dragged through the mud and a flames to drive the point home, of everything I've done wrong in the past and how I'm a horrible public figure. I'm not power hungry I don't know why suddenly a lot of things have become an issue.

[Belos]

As much as I hate to do this, given the events of today and yesterday, I motion for a vote of no confidence against TFU.

[The Fedral Union]

[02:14.28] <UTA> This shit is drawing away the newbies
[02:14.33] <UTA> so drop it
[02:14.40] <UTA> I made my point already
[02:22.01] <Ghant> No
[02:22.40] <UTA> excuse me? <---

I asked multiple times in IRC for him to drop it.. Belos that is.. Yet he wont... I will not be harassed on my own channel.

[Ferret Civilization]

Okay, I'm new here, and I'm still trying to figure out what exactly is going on. But so far all I can make out is that there is a lot of bickering over the state of the GESO. And apparently you all have picked sides on who does what and whatever, and so far all I'm seeing is one side trying to get at the other. I don't know how common this is around the FT or RPs in general. But is this really how stuff has to go down, with a crap ton of bickering?

[The Fedral Union]

Honestly no... It normally doesn't... it was quiet until recently. And he was banned TEMPORALLY from IRC for not dropping this subject.

[Belos]

[02:14.28] <UTA> This shit is drawing away the newbies
[02:14.33] <UTA> so drop it
[02:14.40] <UTA> I made my point already
[02:22.01] <Ghant> No
[02:22.40] <UTA> excuse me? <---

I asked multiple times in IRC for him to drop it.. Belos that is.. Yet he wont... I will not be harassed on my own channel.

You asked me one time to not insist that you answer Don's question, which I refused to oblige. I won't "drop" my belief that you should answer those questions instead of trying to silence people who want those questions answered. One time doesn't equal multiple times, and if you want to talk about harassment, maybe we can publish the entire log of GESO, and the PM log between us as well (with no IP addresses of course).