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Welskerland
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Founded: Aug 06, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Welskerland » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:06 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Welskerland wrote:Here is the premise for a civil war RP.

Alex Linden, who is the head of government, is removed from power by a vote of no confidence.
Enraged, the former minister president assembles a fighting force of his own called the Resistance Army whose goal is to overthrow the new leader and reclaim power for himself.

He has bombed government buildings and embassies hoping to drag the nations with embassies into war with the current government. He is trying to frame Welskerland, in other words.

The new minister president decides that the madness has gone on long enough and sent troops to patrol every urban area.

Who's interested?

What would be the ideologue of the PM, whilst also that of the President's, respectively?

Which one has committed the least war crimes thus far?


Minister president is an alternative title for a prime minister in some countries such as the Netherlands and Hungary.

Alex Linden was removed from power due to his inefficiency and deliberately provoking other nations. He has committed more war crimes by bombing embassies and and government facilities, but the current minister president is no saint either. He pretty much put the country under martial law and passed a law to imprison anyone who dares to speak out against the government.
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Souriya Al-Assad
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Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:02 pm

Welskerland wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:What would be the ideologue of the PM, whilst also that of the President's, respectively?

Which one has committed the least war crimes thus far?


Minister president is an alternative title for a prime minister in some countries such as the Netherlands and Hungary.

Alex Linden was removed from power due to his inefficiency and deliberately provoking other nations. He has committed more war crimes by bombing embassies and and government facilities, but the current minister president is no saint either. He pretty much put the country under martial law and passed a law to imprison anyone who dares to speak out against the government.

Hmmm...

Do you have any third organisation or faction in mind?
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Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
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Welskerland
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Founded: Aug 06, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Welskerland » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:23 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Welskerland wrote:
Minister president is an alternative title for a prime minister in some countries such as the Netherlands and Hungary.

Alex Linden was removed from power due to his inefficiency and deliberately provoking other nations. He has committed more war crimes by bombing embassies and and government facilities, but the current minister president is no saint either. He pretty much put the country under martial law and passed a law to imprison anyone who dares to speak out against the government.

Hmmm...

Do you have any third organisation or faction in mind?


No, but I can make one. What are you looking for in particular.
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This nation does reflect my IRL views unless something is more interesting to differ from what I believe otherwise. For example, Welskerland is a constitutional monarchy, while I prefer a republic IRL.

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Voltrovia
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Founded: Oct 22, 2013
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Postby Voltrovia » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:09 pm

Anemos Major wrote:Would anybody be interested in participating in a series of tactics-centric, air-ground wargames with me?


I might be. I like the concept and I'd be interested to know more of how you would see it being structured. Anyway, I s'pose it would help if I described my basic in-character structure for air/ground exercises even if it might not be entirely relevant to any plan that we could draw up:

Voltrovia runs two major air-ground-type wargames per year in Greater Mercateria (my region) as well as a number of minor ones. It also participates in a number of other exercises of this kind as part of its regional and international commitments. One of the major exercises is GM-only and the other invites nations from around the world. The two major exercises are held predominantly in Voltrovia and GM although often have subexercises held internationally. I should also say that while this, its history and the more complex framework it forms a part of have been discussed at length in my region I haven't actually held a full exercise RP yet although I'm planning one with several regional allies in the new year. At any rate, if this was an IC event it could just as easily be a separate Voltro-Anemonian exercise or something totally different.

I can go into more detail if necessary although this needn't have much to do with anything that we would plan. The idea sounds interesting and I'm very much up for it - if you'll have me! :)
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Souriya Al-Assad
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Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:28 pm

Welskerland wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:Hmmm...

Do you have any third organisation or faction in mind?


No, but I can make one. What are you looking for in particular.

Something along the lines of Socialism/Communism in general.

However I would like to test one in particular, will it be fine to make a Qadhafi'ist-Socialist/Sankarist (Thomas Sankara's policies) organisation?
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Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Welskerland
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Founded: Aug 06, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Welskerland » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:31 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Welskerland wrote:
No, but I can make one. What are you looking for in particular.

Something along the lines of Socialism/Communism in general.

However I would like to test one in particular, will it be fine to make a Qadhafi'ist-Socialist/Sankarist (Thomas Sankara's policies) organisation?


Sure.
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This nation does reflect my IRL views unless something is more interesting to differ from what I believe otherwise. For example, Welskerland is a constitutional monarchy, while I prefer a republic IRL.

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Souriya Al-Assad
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Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:37 pm

Welskerland wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:Something along the lines of Socialism/Communism in general.

However I would like to test one in particular, will it be fine to make a Qadhafi'ist-Socialist/Sankarist (Thomas Sankara's policies) organisation?


Sure.

Hmmm... let's call it... The Corrective Serene People's National Democratic Front for the Liberation and Salvation of Welskerland? With a motto similar to the Syrian government's "AlWihda, Horeiya, Ishtirakiyya" (Unity, Freedom, Socialism)?
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Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Welskerland
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Founded: Aug 06, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Welskerland » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:43 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Welskerland wrote:
Sure.

Hmmm... let's call it... The Corrective Serene People's National Democratic Front for the Liberation and Salvation of Welskerland? With a motto similar to the Syrian government's "AlWihda, Horeiya, Ishtirakiyya" (Unity, Freedom, Socialism)?


Alright. Do people call them anything for short?
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This nation does reflect my IRL views unless something is more interesting to differ from what I believe otherwise. For example, Welskerland is a constitutional monarchy, while I prefer a republic IRL.

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Souriya Al-Assad
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Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:05 pm

Welskerland wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:Hmmm... let's call it... The Corrective Serene People's National Democratic Front for the Liberation and Salvation of Welskerland? With a motto similar to the Syrian government's "AlWihda, Horeiya, Ishtirakiyya" (Unity, Freedom, Socialism)?


Alright. Do people call them anything for short?


Hmmm... I guess we can go with CSPNDFLSW, Or Corrective Welskerland Front for short?

Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Welskerland
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Founded: Aug 06, 2014
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Welskerland » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:28 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Welskerland wrote:
Alright. Do people call them anything for short?


Hmmm... I guess we can go with CSPNDFLSW, Or Corrective Welskerland Front for short?


Sounds good
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This nation does reflect my IRL views unless something is more interesting to differ from what I believe otherwise. For example, Welskerland is a constitutional monarchy, while I prefer a republic IRL.

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Doppio Giudici
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Founded: Nov 26, 2011
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Doppio Giudici » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:44 pm

Anemos Major wrote:Would anybody be interested in participating in a series of tactics-centric, air-ground wargames with me?


Define what you mean by this and define the skill level you are looking for please.
I use this old account for FT, Pentaga Giudici and Vadia are for MT.

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People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening"

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Souriya Al-Assad
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Ex-Nation

Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:52 pm

Welskerland wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Hmmm... I guess we can go with CSPNDFLSW, Or Corrective Welskerland Front for short?


Sounds good

Let me know once the thread is ready! I shalt post whence I can :)

Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Altito Asmoro
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Founded: May 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Altito Asmoro » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:56 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Welskerland wrote:
Alright. Do people call them anything for short?


Hmmm... I guess we can go with CSPNDFLSW, Or Corrective Welskerland Front for short?


CSPNDFLSW can be shorted to a shorter word, right? Like just CWF?

With a third faction established, they also need aid from foreign countries, or at least a stable local support from local businesses, or politicians, or religion institutions with enough resources to be able to support the organization.
Stormwrath wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:You people can call me...AA. Or Alt.
Or Tito.

I'm calling you "non-aligned comrade."

A proud Nationalist
Winner for Best War RP of 2016

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Servica
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Founded: Feb 28, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Servica » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:58 pm

I'm thinking of something IC and has something to do with Eric Arthur Blair's 1984. A worldwide Prole revolution, maybe? That should be good.
We could be the first nations to declare independence against the three superstates.
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The Deference-free Constituency of Servica
Volition,
Tangibilism, Neobarbarism, Maximalism
[About Servica]
[The Flag]
[Words from Servica]
[The Moral Anchors]
Federative post-collapse society. The collapse eradicated class and previous institutions. Made money mean a lot less. Exists in the 2090s and had just begun learning the management of a para-industrial, post-financial capitalist, partially resource-based economy after being agrarian since forever.
They/Them, Southeast Asia, nation canon represents maybe some 67% of my beliefs, and I also like playing the stats for fun.

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Altito Asmoro
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:04 am

Servica wrote:I'm thinking of something IC and has something to do with Eric Arthur Blair's 1984. A worldwide Prole revolution, maybe? That should be good.
We could be the first nations to declare independence against the three superstates.


We are poor and lacking training. Prole itself are poor citizens.
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Stormwrath wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:You people can call me...AA. Or Alt.
Or Tito.

I'm calling you "non-aligned comrade."

A proud Nationalist
Winner for Best War RP of 2016

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Servica
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Founded: Feb 28, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Servica » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:09 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:
Servica wrote:I'm thinking of something IC and has something to do with Eric Arthur Blair's 1984. A worldwide Prole revolution, maybe? That should be good.
We could be the first nations to declare independence against the three superstates.


We are poor and lacking training. Prole itself are poor citizens.

"Proles and animals are free." Also, if Goldstein's (o'brien's) book's description of the world is indeed correct: Then that would make 80% (perhaps moreso in Eurasia or Eastasia than Oceania) of the world's population all-prole. Hope lies in the proles, anyway... and it's an RP?
I really think it's a good idea.
The Deference-free Constituency of Servica
Volition,
Tangibilism, Neobarbarism, Maximalism
[About Servica]
[The Flag]
[Words from Servica]
[The Moral Anchors]
Federative post-collapse society. The collapse eradicated class and previous institutions. Made money mean a lot less. Exists in the 2090s and had just begun learning the management of a para-industrial, post-financial capitalist, partially resource-based economy after being agrarian since forever.
They/Them, Southeast Asia, nation canon represents maybe some 67% of my beliefs, and I also like playing the stats for fun.

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Altito Asmoro
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:10 am

Servica wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:
We are poor and lacking training. Prole itself are poor citizens.

"Proles and animals are free." Also, if Goldstein's (o'brien's) book's description of the world is indeed correct: Then that would make 80% (perhaps moreso in Eurasia or Eastasia than Oceania) of the world's population all-prole. Hope lies in the proles, anyway... and it's an RP?
I really think it's a good idea.


Will the Proles all around the world will agree to the revolution? Some may content with what they have now.
Stormwrath wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:You people can call me...AA. Or Alt.
Or Tito.

I'm calling you "non-aligned comrade."

A proud Nationalist
Winner for Best War RP of 2016

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Servica
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Founded: Feb 28, 2013
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Postby Servica » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:14 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:
Servica wrote:"Proles and animals are free." Also, if Goldstein's (o'brien's) book's description of the world is indeed correct: Then that would make 80% (perhaps moreso in Eurasia or Eastasia than Oceania) of the world's population all-prole. Hope lies in the proles, anyway... and it's an RP?
I really think it's a good idea.


Will the Proles all around the world will agree to the revolution? Some may content with what they have now.

We assume they're not. And how can we be sure they haven't preserved history through folk memory?
They're not always being watched, unlike the Outer Party. It's not inconceivable.
The Deference-free Constituency of Servica
Volition,
Tangibilism, Neobarbarism, Maximalism
[About Servica]
[The Flag]
[Words from Servica]
[The Moral Anchors]
Federative post-collapse society. The collapse eradicated class and previous institutions. Made money mean a lot less. Exists in the 2090s and had just begun learning the management of a para-industrial, post-financial capitalist, partially resource-based economy after being agrarian since forever.
They/Them, Southeast Asia, nation canon represents maybe some 67% of my beliefs, and I also like playing the stats for fun.

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Altito Asmoro
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Founded: May 18, 2012
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:15 am

Servica wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:
Will the Proles all around the world will agree to the revolution? Some may content with what they have now.

We assume they're not. And how can we be sure they haven't preserved history through folk memory?
They're not always being watched, unlike the Outer Party. It's not inconceivable.


Yeah, maybe with different nations comes different Proles.

Perhaps Proles outside of Oceania are better.
Stormwrath wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:You people can call me...AA. Or Alt.
Or Tito.

I'm calling you "non-aligned comrade."

A proud Nationalist
Winner for Best War RP of 2016

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Souriya Al-Assad
Minister
 
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Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:14 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Hmmm... I guess we can go with CSPNDFLSW, Or Corrective Welskerland Front for short?


CSPNDFLSW can be shorted to a shorter word, right? Like just CWF?

With a third faction established, they also need aid from foreign countries, or at least a stable local support from local businesses, or politicians, or religion institutions with enough resources to be able to support the organisation.

Of course, my state shalt assume this role in-game. :)

Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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El Cuscatlan
Senator
 
Posts: 4616
Founded: Nov 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby El Cuscatlan » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:01 am

Considering a guide I wrote, I am interested in starting a military coup RP, which will RP the actual coup and aftermath. It will be set in Latin American county, where left wing government comes to power while the military is visibly supporting right wingers.

Interested people please TG me.
Gran Cuscatlan - population 718 million - is rightist junta ruled county in Latin America. | I am born again Christian.
SANTIAGO ANTI COMMUNIST TREATY ORGANISATION - WE KILL THE REDS! | INDUTRIAS SOBERRANAS - CUSCATLANI ARMS! | Cuscatlani Integralism | Guardia Anticommunista

Given title of "The AntiChe" by Lolloh 10th May 2014. Now commies tremble in fear!

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Pacarugua
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Founded: Nov 28, 2014
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Postby Pacarugua » Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:05 pm

El Cuscatlan wrote:Considering a guide I wrote, I am interested in starting a military coup RP, which will RP the actual coup and aftermath. It will be set in Latin American county, where left wing government comes to power while the military is visibly supporting right wingers.

Interested people please TG me.

Interested.
We speak Portuguese, not Spanish.

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El Cuscatlan
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:12 am

Gran Cuscatlan - population 718 million - is rightist junta ruled county in Latin America. | I am born again Christian.
SANTIAGO ANTI COMMUNIST TREATY ORGANISATION - WE KILL THE REDS! | INDUTRIAS SOBERRANAS - CUSCATLANI ARMS! | Cuscatlani Integralism | Guardia Anticommunista

Given title of "The AntiChe" by Lolloh 10th May 2014. Now commies tremble in fear!

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Milkus
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Founded: Nov 16, 2014
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Postby Milkus » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:02 am

I rp a nation ruled by a Prince-Bishop, I am thinking of a way to institute a revolution to secularize the government. It is a parliamentary democracy, and most people are content with the current form of government. So I need a creative way to make the rule by a bishop untenable. Any suggestions.
Head of State: Prince-Bishop Anthony II of Brunnenwald. Head of government: Vogtin Fredericke of Kleinberg. Foreign Minister: Maximilian Hardwick

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Grangeco
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Founded: Sep 16, 2014
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Postby Grangeco » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:58 am

Milkus wrote:I rp a nation ruled by a Prince-Bishop, I am thinking of a way to institute a revolution to secularize the government. It is a parliamentary democracy, and most people are content with the current form of government. So I need a creative way to make the rule by a bishop untenable. Any suggestions.

I would have the government start persecuting the citizens of the country.
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