Vapor: A Steampunk RP Region (OOC v. 2.0 -- CLOSED)

[Servoth]

Inesea and I have decided that at the end of fall, he will have his territory encompass mine. That way, it would dissuade hostile force from attacking my camps, like I'm sure you all want to do,

Say what? Inesea is dissolving into Khamul? So I'll be doing cooperation projects with...Inemul? Idk...

I say the whole of the Freedom Legion can steam roll straight through.

[Inoroth]

I still don't get it... Inesea's territory expands to include territory surrounding Khamul, or the nations assimilate?

EDIT* That's the spirit, Servoth!

[Pavlostani]

I still don't get it... Inesea's territory expands to include territory surrounding Khamul, or the nations assimilate?

EDIT* That's the spirit, Servoth!

In V-Land. He takes territory surrounding the Brandburg territory.

[Inoroth]

Okay, not too ridiculous then

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I would love to liberate the camps, but that would require................ hey now there's an idea! Have the Commonwealth/Republic forces in Onheath lightning raid the camps.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

I still don't get it... Inesea's territory expands to include territory surrounding Khamul, or the nations assimilate?

EDIT* That's the spirit, Servoth!

In V-Land. He takes territory surrounding the Brandburg territory.

Oh V-land...hey wait...isn't it an assumption that you're going to take that area by the end of V-land? Perhaps you already have it, but we don't know what will happen in the end...unless it regards to those prison camps...in which case...ah shit, fuck it, I'll just accept it. If anything happens by the end of the V-land conflict where I do get some piece of V-land, I'll probably give it to you too.

[Cygnar]

What thread exactly is the colonization RP? If it hasnt started yet, would I be allowed to take part in it?

[Novairia]

@Nov - yeah, the gun in the link was 15 inches. 15 inches = 381 mm... almost double 238, though honestly the calculation is velocity x mass, so a smaller projectile with the same mass traveling at the same speed would be more devestating. And I am still waiting on your armor reports for my calculations, good sir

Umm... sorry Inoroth, but that is incorrect.
For impact kinetic energy it is (1/2Mass x VelocitySquared), for it to equal the devestation (impact force) of a 15inch round, the smaller 238mm round would have to be 4x the mass OR twice as fast (only with the assumtion: half diameter = half mass; which is also not the case) to match.

Also, armour of the ICMF Armageddon:
All Sides: 26cm, Top: 18cm
Type: Hot rolled homogeneous armour (RHA),
SAE 4340 grade steel,
Additives = Ni 1.82%, Cr 0.50% to 0.80%, Mo 0.25%,
Tensile Strength is 650 - 880 MPa,
Yeild Strength is 550 MPa with 8% to 25% grain elongation,
Melting temp is 1510*C,
Density is 7700 kg/m3.

[Cygnar]

Also, armour of the ICMF Armageddon:
All Sides: 26cm, Top: 18cm
Type: Hot rolled homogeneous armour (RHA),
SAE 4340 grade steel,
Additives = Ni 1.82%, Cr 0.50% to 0.80%, Mo 0.25%,
Tensile Strength is 650 - 880 MPa,
Yeild Strength is 550 MPa with 8% to 25% grain elongation,
Melting temp is 1510*C,
Density is 7700 kg/m3.

[Sri Tschow]

Post up on the war. Sadly I cannot post on the EC at the moment as I do have a post saved, but it's on my other computer, which is in for repairs.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

What thread exactly is the colonization RP? If it hasnt started yet, would I be allowed to take part in it?

They say they will get to it after V-land is done with.

Also, POST IN THE EXPO THREAD PEOPLE!

[Novairia]

Also, armour of the ICMF Armageddon:
~snip~.

Cygnar, your semi-new here right? [Does'nt help that im on and off NationStates because of school and work schedules ] Lets just say that my profession immerses me in multiple fields of basic mechanical and chemical engineering, and I joined this RP world because it promised to stay within the bounds of reality for the mostpart.
Plus I hate god modding, so everything I place in Vapor CAN be done in real life, it just may seem zany.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Cygnar, your semi-new here right? [Does'nt help that im on and off NationStates because of school and work schedules ] Lets just say that my profession immerses me in multiple fields of basic mechanical and chemical engineering, and I joined this RP world because it promised to stay within the bounds of reality for the mostpart.
Plus I hate god modding, so everything I place in Vapor CAN be done in real life, it just may seem zany.

So, would A 96 Kilogram round traveling at approx. 1,600 Meters persecond Do ANY damage?

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Cygnar, your semi-new here right? [Does'nt help that im on and off NationStates because of school and work schedules ] Lets just say that my profession immerses me in multiple fields of basic mechanical and chemical engineering, and I joined this RP world because it promised to stay within the bounds of reality for the mostpart.
Plus I hate god modding, so everything I place in Vapor CAN be done in real life, it just may seem zany.

So, would A 96 Kilogram round traveling at approx. 1,600 Meters persecond Do ANY damage?

I have no idea if that would be possible but if it is, why would it not cause damage?

[Servoth]

What thread exactly is the colonization RP? If it hasnt started yet, would I be allowed to take part in it?

They say they will get to it after V-land is done with.

Also, POST IN THE EXPO THREAD PEOPLE!

Why don't you post Cyprum or why hasn't Vitz?

[Cyprum Xecuii]

They say they will get to it after V-land is done with.

Also, POST IN THE EXPO THREAD PEOPLE!

Why don't you post Cyprum or why hasn't Vitz?

My excuse is that I need the thread to keep rolling so i can think of something to put down.

In fact, I've forgot how far we've gotten...I remember Sri got mad at some messenger...

[Servoth]

Why don't you post Cyprum or why hasn't Vitz?

My excuse is that I need the thread to keep rolling so i can think of something to put down.

In fact, I've forgot how far we've gotten...I remember Sri got mad at some messenger...

Ino posted about his future predictions of the future, and I put down some shit about how the OWL would better the future world before him.

[Novairia]

So, would A 96 Kilogram round traveling at approx. 1,600 Meters persecond Do ANY damage?

working on it.... plz hold...

[Sri Tschow]

Why don't you post Cyprum or why hasn't Vitz?

My excuse is that I need the thread to keep rolling so i can think of something to put down.

In fact, I've forgot how far we've gotten...I remember Sri got mad at some messenger...

Ah, yes. The messenger. I seem to have misplaced him. I'm sure he'll turn up... I hope... I mean... Yeah.

[Vitzenburg]

For the Expo, Inoroth put a message that he'd have a post up for it so Iguess I've been waiting for that and holy shit I forgot to check to see if he had it up XD

[Fanaglia]

Airships can't function if they're heavier than air... kinda the whole shtick about an airship is that it's lighter than air.

Thus an armored airship is still lighter than air.

What's this about an armored airship? How exactly would an armored airship be lighter than air if the armor was any heavier than paper-thin fiberglass? The envelope would have to be massively huge to compensate for the extra weight of the envelope's material itself.

Helpful maths: hydrogen and helium both provide roughly 9.8 N of lift per cubic meter. One Newton is the force required to accelerate 1 kg at 1 m/sec²

Or another way to calculate it is by buoyant (or effective) mass. One cubic meter of hydrogen weighs about -1.202 kg and one cubic meter of helium weighs about -1.113 kg.

Just cross-multiply like you learned in the 9th grade. Be sure to include a rough estimate of the weight of your gondola, your envelope's material, all your rigging and mechanical parts, and the weight of your crew itself.

What thread exactly is the colonization RP? If it hasnt started yet, would I be allowed to take part in it?

Hasn't started yet and you're invited when it does. We've tentatively put it off until the conclusion of the V-Land thread.

Cygnar, your semi-new here right? [Does'nt help that im on and off NationStates because of school and work schedules ] Lets just say that my profession immerses me in multiple fields of basic mechanical and chemical engineering, and I joined this RP world because it promised to stay within the bounds of reality for the mostpart.
Plus I hate god modding, so everything I place in Vapor CAN be done in real life, it just may seem zany.

Maybe you can school Inesea (or whoever it was who mentioned it) on armored airships, then.

[Vitzenburg]

Airships can't function if they're heavier than air... kinda the whole shtick about an airship is that it's lighter than air.

Thus an armored airship is still lighter than air.

What's this about an armored airship? How exactly would an armored airship be lighter than air if the armor was any heavier than paper-thin fiberglass? The envelope would have to be massively huge to compensate for the extra weight of the envelope's material itself.

Helpful maths: hydrogen and helium both provide roughly 9.8 N of lift per cubic meter. One Newton is the force required to accelerate 1 kg at 1 m/sec²

Or another way to calculate it is by buoyant (or effective) mass. One cubic meter of hydrogen weighs about -1.202 kg and one cubic meter of helium weighs about -1.113 kg.

Just cross-multiply like you learned in the 9th grade. Be sure to include a rough estimate of the weight of your gondola, your envelope's material, all your rigging and mechanical parts, and the weight of your crew itself.

What thread exactly is the colonization RP? If it hasnt started yet, would I be allowed to take part in it?

Hasn't started yet and you're invited when it does. We've tentatively put it off until the conclusion of the V-Land thread.

Cygnar, your semi-new here right? [Does'nt help that im on and off NationStates because of school and work schedules ] Lets just say that my profession immerses me in multiple fields of basic mechanical and chemical engineering, and I joined this RP world because it promised to stay within the bounds of reality for the mostpart.
Plus I hate god modding, so everything I place in Vapor CAN be done in real life, it just may seem zany.

Maybe you can school Inesea (or whoever it was who mentioned it) on armored airships, then.

I was just making the point that an armored airship would still have to be lighter than air to be used

[Novairia]

Sorry for taking so long, had some stuff to do first, then I had pizza! Now, down to brass tacks.

So, would A 96 Kilogram round traveling at approx. 1,600 Meters persecond Do ANY damage?

Well..
(96kgx0.5)x(1,600^2) = (48x2,560,000) = 122,880,000 J of kinetic impact energy at muzzle escape OR 122.88 MJ when LEAVING the gun.

Then by using the ballistic conversion chart with a ballistic coefficient avg of .172, at an assumed 45* angle of fire, at sea level, with no wind, at "the 66%-69% hit range (47 kilometers) " the round has lost all but 0.06 of its initial muzzle energy.
Meaning it has 7.37 MJ left. Which then converts to 7370 Kilonewton per meter [kNm] of force.

Then we gather the data needed next. Such as shell radius for indentation (a^2/R=d), the shell cone angle (used for Tan), and SAE 4340's MoE rating (E).

Then by using the "Contact between a rigid conical indenter and an elastic half-space" equation:

SO: Fn= (((2/3.14159265)x205,000,000,000 Pa)x(0.0009996^2/tan(70)) = 47,462.69 Newton meters
Meaning that it takes 47.5 kNm of force to indent SAE 4340 steel 0.1cm with the Paris Gun's 238mm steel jacket round (using equal grade steel).

As such, to pierce the 26cm side armor, it would require aprox 12,350kN of force. And the 18cm top armor would require 8550kN of force [and that was only IF the incoming round also did not deform, which it will].

So no, at that range the 238's cant hurt the ICMF Armageddon's armor.. Also remember tho that the 238mm shell wasnt ever designed to be AP, but rather it was a High Explosive delivery system to wreak buildings.

PS: You would not believe the stuff I had to look up in my books and the internet to get that all figured out.

[Fanaglia]

I was just making the point that an armored airship would still have to be lighter than air to be used

I know. I was agreeing with you. I was just pointing out that anything heavier than heavy fabric or maybe fiberglass would add significant weight to the envelope, which would mean it would have to be bigger to hold more hydrogen, which would make it heavier, which would mean it would have to be bigger...

It would be very difficult to "armor" your envelope, if not impossible.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

I was just making the point that an armored airship would still have to be lighter than air to be used

I know. I was agreeing with you. I was just pointing out that anything heavier than heavy fabric or maybe fiberglass would add significant weight to the envelope, which would mean it would have to be bigger to hold more hydrogen, which would make it heavier, which would mean it would have to be bigger...

It would be very difficult to "armor" your envelope, if not impossible.

Fortunately, we got Magor built for tech wanking.