Hutanjian War and Armistice (OOC - CLOSED to new apps)

[Falkasia]

No problem. As far as returning aircraft, one option IS the Cardwiths. However, under the assumption that the Royals do not entirely take the island, there is the matter of the airstrip that was literally burned into the surrounding landscape on the island.

As for the FSIS HQ, it should be somewhere near the main UFF Camp... that is assuming it wasn't overrun in the initial assault. I'd somewhat agree with placing it on the map, but by doing so, it might skew the lines again on IC/OOC/Godmodding, and as there have already been events of all three on both sides of the frontline, I'll leave the decision up to you.

[McNernia]

I'm sorry Mcneria, but I'm calling Godmod. There is no way you could have a submarine appear out of thin air right next to my fleet. Absolutely, positively no possible way. The fleet would have detected you on arrival, or as you crept forward. It wouldn't have been able to get in range without detection. The midget subs were small enough to possess a minimal sonar return, and be mistaken for other sonar signatures like large fish or coral formations. From what you're saying however, your submarine is probably equivalent to an Ohio or Seawolf Class attack submarine to possess the kind of firepower you suggest it does.

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I use the viewtopic.php?f=6&t=106279#maritimevessels Astela class SSP. And well if you have just been attacked and you have propulsion why not move so as to confuse the foe, also it was cruise missles I fired at the damn thing not rockets.

[Neu Engollon]

No problem. As far as returning aircraft, one option IS the Cardwiths. However, under the assumption that the Royals do not entirely take the island, there is the matter of the airstrip that was literally burned into the surrounding landscape on the island.

As for the FSIS HQ, it should be somewhere near the main UFF Camp... that is assuming it wasn't overrun in the initial assault. I'd somewhat agree with placing it on the map, but by doing so, it might skew the lines again on IC/OOC/Godmodding, and as there have already been events of all three on both sides of the frontline, I'll leave the decision up to you.

Totally forgot about the cleared airstrip. That's a good option if you want to keep the fighter support localized, although it is somewhat vulnerable in comparison to Noritts AB. The Royals are taking a good chunk of land, but I think the interior of Nesselberg will be somewhat inpenetrable and that's where a lot of the small patrol/ambush/guerrilla warfare is going to come in. The big cleared landing strip however is going to probably be vulnerable to satellite visualization and UAVs, depending on air superiority.
I don't think there is a main UFF camp on Nesselberg, especially after the collapse of the frontlines in the North. UFF on Nesselberg is scattered and localized.
I won't put the FSIS HQ on the map because of the issues you specified. It doesn't need to be pointed out with a big neon sign. I would consider making a secondary HQ on the Cardwiths if the situation deteriorates further on Nesselberg for the rebel side. Did you ever hear word from IAFS? Is he officially out?


Mcnernia, he's not calling into question the capabilities or armaments of your sub, rather its positioning - so conveniently next to the Falkasian fleet without any previous RP posts about it.

[McNernia]

No problem. As far as returning aircraft, one option IS the Cardwiths. However, under the assumption that the Royals do not entirely take the island, there is the matter of the airstrip that was literally burned into the surrounding landscape on the island.

As for the FSIS HQ, it should be somewhere near the main UFF Camp... that is assuming it wasn't overrun in the initial assault. I'd somewhat agree with placing it on the map, but by doing so, it might skew the lines again on IC/OOC/Godmodding, and as there have already been events of all three on both sides of the frontline, I'll leave the decision up to you.

Mcnernia, he's not calling into question the capabilities or armaments of your sub, rather its positioning - so conveniently next to the Falkasian fleet without any previous RP posts about it.

Well it is not next to the fleet ,several miles out and well, wouldnt YOU move your crippled ship if she still had power?

[Falkasia]

Sir, the ship is moving. Full Reverse, if I may say so. It is for mutual benefit of RP that it was not moving at the time. Despite what may be common misconception, RP is meant to be enjoyed by all, and not domineered and overlorded by one.

[Falkasia]

No problem. As far as returning aircraft, one option IS the Cardwiths. However, under the assumption that the Royals do not entirely take the island, there is the matter of the airstrip that was literally burned into the surrounding landscape on the island.

As for the FSIS HQ, it should be somewhere near the main UFF Camp... that is assuming it wasn't overrun in the initial assault. I'd somewhat agree with placing it on the map, but by doing so, it might skew the lines again on IC/OOC/Godmodding, and as there have already been events of all three on both sides of the frontline, I'll leave the decision up to you.

Totally forgot about the cleared airstrip. That's a good option if you want to keep the fighter support localized, although it is somewhat vulnerable in comparison to Noritts AB. The Royals are taking a good chunk of land, but I think the interior of Nesselberg will be somewhat inpenetrable and that's where a lot of the small patrol/ambush/guerrilla warfare is going to come in. The big cleared landing strip however is going to probably be vulnerable to satellite visualization and UAVs, depending on air superiority.
I don't think there is a main UFF camp on Nesselberg, especially after the collapse of the frontlines in the North. UFF on Nesselberg is scattered and localized.
I won't put the FSIS HQ on the map because of the issues you specified. It doesn't need to be pointed out with a big neon sign. I would consider making a secondary HQ on the Cardwiths if the situation deteriorates further on Nesselberg for the rebel side. Did you ever hear word from IAFS? Is he officially out?


Mcnernia, he's not calling into question the capabilities or armaments of your sub, rather its positioning - so conveniently next to the Falkasian fleet without any previous RP posts about it.

You make a very good point. Several additional things would have to be done to "proof" the landing strip, bringing in tons of camo netting alongside actual mobile facilities. Its not very logical, and equally not very economical either, but for the time being I'll leave the option open. The strip may act moreso as a temporary staging ground while the V-25s regroup. We'll see.

Right now I'm more concerned about the air battle around the carrier. Most of the V-25s are bingo ammo, so they'll have to make emergency trips back to the carrier or use the birds themselves as ramming rods.

Also, what kind of loyalty can be assumed of the MiG pilots? I realize they probably knew they were flying into a suicide mission, but if they were retrieved from the water by Falkasian boats, could they perhaps be repatriated and persuaded to join the rebel side?

[McNernia]

Sir, the ship is moving. Full Reverse, if I may say so. It is for mutual benefit of RP that it was not moving at the time. Despite what may be common misconception, RP is meant to be enjoyed by all, and not domineered and overlorded by one.

Oh ok man I am just saying that well surely the ship would high tail the heck out of the area.

[Neu Engollon]

Totally forgot about the cleared airstrip. That's a good option if you want to keep the fighter support localized, although it is somewhat vulnerable in comparison to Noritts AB. The Royals are taking a good chunk of land, but I think the interior of Nesselberg will be somewhat inpenetrable and that's where a lot of the small patrol/ambush/guerrilla warfare is going to come in. The big cleared landing strip however is going to probably be vulnerable to satellite visualization and UAVs, depending on air superiority.
I don't think there is a main UFF camp on Nesselberg, especially after the collapse of the frontlines in the North. UFF on Nesselberg is scattered and localized.
I won't put the FSIS HQ on the map because of the issues you specified. It doesn't need to be pointed out with a big neon sign. I would consider making a secondary HQ on the Cardwiths if the situation deteriorates further on Nesselberg for the rebel side. Did you ever hear word from IAFS? Is he officially out?


Mcnernia, he's not calling into question the capabilities or armaments of your sub, rather its positioning - so conveniently next to the Falkasian fleet without any previous RP posts about it.

You make a very good point. Several additional things would have to be done to "proof" the landing strip, bringing in tons of camo netting alongside actual mobile facilities. Its not very logical, and equally not very economical either, but for the time being I'll leave the option open. The strip may act moreso as a temporary staging ground while the V-25s regroup. We'll see.

Right now I'm more concerned about the air battle around the carrier. Most of the V-25s are bingo ammo, so they'll have to make emergency trips back to the carrier or use the birds themselves as ramming rods.

Also, what kind of loyalty can be assumed of the MiG pilots? I realize they probably knew they were flying into a suicide mission, but if they were retrieved from the water by Falkasian boats, could they perhaps be repatriated and persuaded to join the rebel side?

Anything's possible. If they were down for a suicide mission, they might be pretty loyal, but you never know. Give it a shot.

[Neu Engollon]

Also, if you happen to fish Capt. Rudolf, the Uli Gripen pilot out of the water before we can get to him, you will have zero chance of turning him. I know he's a mercenary, but if you need further explanation about the Uli moral codes, I will get into it later. You have a better chance of turning the Hutanjian MIG pilots.

Anyway, he would be valuable for prisoner trading, because the Uli-Schwyz Regiment are like the Israelis. They will do anything in their power to get back their men, dead, wounded or captured.

[McNernia]

I find that commendable for mercinaries to have morals, Id expect it of course

[Neu Engollon]

Just a general reminder to all:
Remember what a godmod is, really think about it, and let's not use OOC stuff planned for the future against other players IC right now.

Also,
totally shamelessly plugging this, but I'm taking apps for embassies in Neu Engollon. Falkasia, you will dig the Hutanjia application for special requests.

Embassies application: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=201689

[Falkasia]

Lol. That's funny. Maybe I'll post and want to be right next to the Hutanjian Embassy.

[Neu Engollon]

Lol. That's funny. Maybe I'll post and want to be right next to the Hutanjian Embassy.

That would actually be really funny. I would love to do that, just for laughs, but both parties would have to be agreeable, and I don't think the Huts would go for it.

[Falkasia]

I promise tomorrow I'll post. I just ran out of time today.

[The Imperial Alliance of Free States]

Yeah, sorry about not posting. I've been overloaded lately and this was the thing that ended up on the chopping block. Consider Hawk and her escorts out of the action for a while. If someone wants to take my place, tell them to go for it. I didn't see all the stuff I've had the last couple weeks coming, and I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Sorry about the confusion.

[Falkasia]

Ok, no problem. I'm planning on stepping up deployments to compensate for the drop-outs. If you'd like, I can RP your fleet leaving the sector after their aid was refused?

[Neu Engollon]

Yeah, sorry about not posting. I've been overloaded lately and this was the thing that ended up on the chopping block. Consider Hawk and her escorts out of the action for a while. If someone wants to take my place, tell them to go for it. I didn't see all the stuff I've had the last couple weeks coming, and I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Sorry about the confusion.

Thanks for letting us know. We appreciate that. The rebel side is thin right now, so if things lighten up for you, let us know, maybe we can get you back in later.

[Falkasia]

That was exhausting. Try that. I realized I left a few parts out, namely the new Uli flights coming at us. That'll be touched on in the next series of posts.

[Neu Engollon]

Wow! Nice. I will be gone all day. Then have some major responsive posts tonight. Good work.

[Neu Engollon]

Mcnernia, this is your last warning. We've tolerated it for long enough. You don't know about the MANPADS, you don't get to insert your men in the POW camp and know about the Falkasian, and I didn't agree to pulling the Uli troops off the assault in Eastern Nesselberg so your guys could take over. You're screwing up every damn subplot we try to get going here. You don't get to interject yourself into every little thing going on. Stop it! Just stop. You need to retcon almost that entire post or I'm pulling the plug. Plus, really I should've said something about the Uli pilots and the magical sub and a bunch of other stuff, but I let it go.
You've stepped over the line.
Everything we come up with, you just latch onto and take over, just not cool man. There's all kinds of BS and godmodding. You want to get some action and sideplots going on, talk to me and Falkasia and whoever else and coordinate so it's not just you busting in and being ridiculous. Fed up, man, really fed up.
You can edit the post or I ask a monitor to step in.

[Falkasia]

I, unfortunately, must concur. Godmodding is blatant, as is domineering of an RP Thread. I am slowly coming to understand why there has been a mass exodus as of late from NationStates, with the events of this RP existing as no exception.

Mcnernia... as New Engollon stated, we are trying to formulate a decent RP with decent players looking for a decent time. You may be udner the assumption that your nation is all-powerful and all-knowing, but you have to come to realize that not everything can be discovered by miracle intelligence agencies or satellites.

I will not call you out on specific examples, as Neu Engollon has done so already. BUT if the need arises, I will be more than happy to provide adequete examples of godmodding overlooked.

Please reconsider your post.

[McNernia]

I have edited the most recent post my friends. So please get off my back.

[Neu Engollon]

Try again. The reference to the intel on the porters with MANPADs is still there. The point with that is the assumption you have full access to Falkasia's transmissions, or that they even transmit info like that over the air. Its a complete godmod to do that without him assenting that you've cracked his encryptions cyber or radio.
Also, I don't understand the mines. The Falkasian fleet is already disabled or sunk, what retreat are you blocking? How are you going to block insertion of AIRborne troops by sea? All you're probably doing is restricting movement of Allied Royal ships. New Edom, Hutanjia and possibly others still have ships to move about to get to the Cardwiths. How about consulting with your allies once in a while?

Drop the get off my back attitude, you are in the wrong clearly here.

What is the last RP you did like this? I want to read it, please. How did they take all this? I'm not talking about all the royal wedding, conference-y stuff, but actual WAR with other players.

I, unfortunately, must concur. Godmodding is blatant, as is domineering of an RP Thread. I am slowly coming to understand why there has been a mass exodus as of late from NationStates, with the events of this RP existing as no exception.

Mcnernia... as New Engollon stated, we are trying to formulate a decent RP with decent players looking for a decent time. You may be udner the assumption that your nation is all-powerful and all-knowing, but you have to come to realize that not everything can be discovered by miracle intelligence agencies or satellites.

I will not call you out on specific examples, as Neu Engollon has done so already. BUT if the need arises, I will be more than happy to provide adequete examples of godmodding overlooked.

Please reconsider your post.

I was kind of hurt when I first started and was excluded from RPs for being new or unknown. Now, I have come around to understand the attitude why people only want to RP with a set group and not risk this kind of BS from happening. I get it now.

[McNernia]

Orqosuyu civil war;http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=174564&hilit=orqosuyu+civil+war Read

[Neu Engollon]

I will be posting today for all my parts. Working on it in wordpad. Weekends are busy for me, so I'm catching up, sorry.