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[TheFall]

Topic=FT-MT+PMT

So true!

[Dolmhold]

Ok then the U.S Navy should do a hell of alot better job on armoring and defence of its ships, its pitiful to see what has been reduced too. I guess im the kind of guy that will always see a nich for a battleship, hell even with a high level of automation the ships could be conceivable in my eyes. But i guess the navel design bereau know best 'Cough Cough'. Some of are ships are crap in my opinion.

The issue is that if you want armor strong enough to counteract the threat, you've already sunk your ship. As in, literally. With all that armor.

[Hladgos]

Ok then the U.S Navy should do a hell of alot better job on armoring and defence of its ships, its pitiful to see what has been reduced too. I guess im the kind of guy that will always see a nich for a battleship, hell even with a high level of automation the ships could be conceivable in my eyes. But i guess the navel design bereau know best 'Cough Cough'. Some of are ships are crap in my opinion.

Well, the US has the largest and most powerful and most advanced navy on the planet. We spend more money on the navy than we do the next five nations combined. We are just money spending warmongers if you ask me.

[Dolmhold]

Ok then the U.S Navy should do a hell of alot better job on armoring and defence of its ships, its pitiful to see what has been reduced too. I guess im the kind of guy that will always see a nich for a battleship, hell even with a high level of automation the ships could be conceivable in my eyes. But i guess the navel design bereau know best 'Cough Cough'. Some of are ships are crap in my opinion.

Well, the US has the largest and most powerful and most advanced navy on the planet. We spend more money on the navy than we do the next five nations combined. We are just money spending warmongers if you ask me.

Military wise, the USA actually spends more money then the rest of the entire world combined. Seriously. The rest.

[SquareDisc City]

The marine battleship has been essentially obsolete for over half a century now. The Iowas were brought back for use as basically floating artillery to bombard land targets, which they do a fine job of, but they're overkill compared to what would really be needed for such a task.

Railguns may prove to be highly effective, but I don't see them being the universal weapon that displaces everything else. Guidance would seem to me to be a big challenge considering the magnetic fields in the guns won't be liked by electronics. And then there's the issue of knowing what to shoot at, which is half the battle. Relying too heavily on fixed railgun batteries would be foolish in the extreme, for your enemy will know exactly where they are from old info; if your assets are movable, the enemy is faced with the challenge of getting current intelligence to target them.

I...kind of don't have quintillions of missiles. I do yet have a few aces up my sleeve, it's which table I play them at that is the issue. Having our interdiction bypassed has really thrown the UPT for a loop.

Couple questions for Vetega:

• Are there any of the Vexil "soft targets" that Giratina's looking for in M31? Industrial installations, or even mainly-civilian places, that are relatively speaking lightly defended.
• Related, do the Vexil live on planets, or is it ALL just worldships?
• Does everything of theirs selfdestruct? Since the UPT Space Force is really keen to snag some stuff for analysis. In particular, might there be debris left behind from the fighting at the Solar System?

[TheFall]

Ok then the U.S Navy should do a hell of alot better job on armoring and defence of its ships, its pitiful to see what has been reduced too. I guess im the kind of guy that will always see a nich for a battleship, hell even with a high level of automation the ships could be conceivable in my eyes. But i guess the navel design bereau know best 'Cough Cough'. Some of are ships are crap in my opinion.

Well, the US has the largest and most powerful and most advanced navy on the planet. We spend more money on the navy than we do the next five nations combined. We are just money spending warmongers if you ask me.

This is true, but we are spending billions and billions on ships and other things we dont even need. As a result our experimentation with other projects like the zumwalt class and others have taken a backseat and even being so far as cancelled, even though these ships could actually give us an edge in the future. Man this government needs to wake up and smell that this world isnt the world of 20 years ago, the chinese and russians has caught up to us! They are developing stealth technology and missiles that can take out our carrier groups. We need to get an edge over our potential enemies!

[Hladgos]

Russians are allies. They are turning to democracy. The only real threat now are the Chinese, which will fall unless they give more power to the people. Look at all the arab nations.

[TheFall]

Russians are allies. They are turning to democracy. The only real threat now are the Chinese, which will fall unless they give more power to the people. Look at all the arab nations.

Russians are turning back into a socialist nation again, there leader is putting laws in place to do so and are planning on being allies with china in the future. I know the russians are our allies now but things are changing in russia and should not be taken lightly.

[Hladgos]

Russia will fall like it did again now that the russian people have tasted money. Capitolism; It's like a disease. You cant get rid of it, and if you do, it always comes back.

[Dolmhold]

Well, the US has the largest and most powerful and most advanced navy on the planet. We spend more money on the navy than we do the next five nations combined. We are just money spending warmongers if you ask me.

This is true, but we are spending billions and billions on ships and other things we dont even need. As a result our experimentation with other projects like the zumwalt class and others have taken a backseat and even being so far as cancelled, even though these ships could actually give us an edge in the future. Man this government needs to wake up and smell that this world isnt the world of 20 years ago, the chinese and russians has caught up to us! They are developing stealth technology and missiles that can take out our carrier groups. We need to get an edge over our potential enemies!

Well, the Russians and Chinese aren't there yet, but they're getting close. I think the DoD knows that, but doesn't know how to react.

As for potential enemies, both of those nations, especially China, are smart. Especially China, as they'd never want a direct war or even a war with the USA anymore due to how interlinked the economies are. Russia is less-stable, but will give plenty of warning before any real trouble sturs up. It is their allies and the nations they are sympathetic to like Iran or North Korea that is the issue. If they get their grubby hands on that technology...

Then again, the USA has sheer numbers to deal with that. China barely has more people in the army, and China's Navy is non-existant. Their Air force is smaller then that of the USA. I think the USA would do fine swarming enemies. Both the technological, quality, and quantity guns to use. Not to mention that practically everyone in their south is armed. That can not be said for any other nation.

[Dolmhold]

Russians are allies. They are turning to democracy. The only real threat now are the Chinese, which will fall unless they give more power to the people. Look at all the arab nations.

China is not a threat. Their government is smart, unlike some other nations they're sympathetic to. The Chinese threat can be summed up by their allies, not China itself.

As for falling unless more freedom, money talks. Until they get to the $20 000 per capita mark,or feel their economy staggering (recession), people won't complain. And by then the new generation of leaders won't have the old-timers nagging them for giving people more freedom. By nagging I mean threatening them.

On the other hand, capitalism better work correctly and industrialize the Chinese West, else a internal war in China between the haves and have nots would not be surprising.

[Hladgos]

Not to mention that practically everyone in their south is armed. That can not be said for any other nation.

Us mexicans are scared of the americans. We dont jump the fence cause we want their jobs, we want to join em so they wont kill us all.
Note, I'm Kansan, and this is my non-view of why they hop over the fence. Texans mow half em down though. We could just give texans military stuff and send em to iran. I dont know why we dont go to detroit and tell the gangs that the terrorists are stealing their women. Not much worse than angry black guys with guns. Then again, that would be pretty hysterical to see gangsters driving around the desert in their black SUV's.

[TheFall]

This is true, but we are spending billions and billions on ships and other things we dont even need. As a result our experimentation with other projects like the zumwalt class and others have taken a backseat and even being so far as cancelled, even though these ships could actually give us an edge in the future. Man this government needs to wake up and smell that this world isnt the world of 20 years ago, the chinese and russians has caught up to us! They are developing stealth technology and missiles that can take out our carrier groups. We need to get an edge over our potential enemies!

Well, the Russians and Chinese aren't there yet, but they're getting close. I think the DoD knows that, but doesn't know how to react.

As for potential enemies, both of those nations, especially China, are smart. Especially China, as they'd never want a direct war or even a war with the USA anymore due to how interlinked the economies are. Russia is less-stable, but will give plenty of warning before any real trouble sturs up. It is their allies and the nations they are sympathetic to like Iran or North Korea that is the issue. If they get their grubby hands on that technology...

Then again, the USA has sheer numbers to deal with that. China barely has more people in the army, and China's Navy is non-existant. Their Air force is smaller then that of the USA. I think the USA would do fine swarming enemies. Both the technological, quality, and quantity guns to use. Not to mention that practically everyone in their south is armed. That can not be said for any other nation.

More than likely if any war were to occur it would be most likely by iran or North Korea! That is true, i guess the reason im so worried is because i dont want to see my countrymen die because of my governments stupidity and something that is completly preventable if we actually use our brains.

[Hladgos]

We wont ever attack NK cause they arent a threat. We have enough anti ballistic missile ships there to actually use the anti missiles to destroy NK. Iran wont attack cause they dont want to lose money. America buys heavily from middle eastern nations for their oil. They wont shut it down unless they want to die.

[Dolmhold]

Not to mention that practically everyone in their south is armed. That can not be said for any other nation.

Us mexicans are scared of the americans. We dont jump the fence cause we want their jobs, we want to join em so they wont kill us all.
Note, I'm Kansan, and this is my non-view of why they hop over the fence. Texans mow half em down though. We could just give texans military stuff and send em to iran. I dont know why we dont go to detroit and tell the gangs that the terrorists are stealing their women. Not much worse than angry black guys with guns. Then again, that would be pretty hysterical to see gangsters driving around the desert in their black SUV's.

Sorry, human rights conventions and the Geneva Cenvention... Damm it lolz.

[Dolmhold]

We wont ever attack NK cause they arent a threat. We have enough anti ballistic missile ships there to actually use the anti missiles to destroy NK. Iran wont attack cause they dont want to lose money. America buys heavily from middle eastern nations for their oil. They wont shut it down unless they want to die.

If SK invades NK (unlikely), a major proxy war will occur.

If NK invades SK (more likely), then they will have mild Chinese support and so a small proxy war resulting in nothing gained or lost other then lives and money will result.

If NK uses a nuke... Even China is against that and NK will no longer exist, unified as 1 Korea of which China would try to establish relationships with.

[TheFall]

Us mexicans are scared of the americans. We dont jump the fence cause we want their jobs, we want to join em so they wont kill us all.
Note, I'm Kansan, and this is my non-view of why they hop over the fence. Texans mow half em down though. We could just give texans military stuff and send em to iran. I dont know why we dont go to detroit and tell the gangs that the terrorists are stealing their women. Not much worse than angry black guys with guns. Then again, that would be pretty hysterical to see gangsters driving around the desert in their black SUV's.

Sorry, human rights conventions and the Geneva Cenvention... Damm it lolz.

Oh god! Why must the USA be the international Police Force? This makes everyone hate America, they think we are imperialistic and think we invade everyone on a whim, Damn you Nixon for making us trade with china! Or was that clinton? idk anymore!

[Dolmhold]

Well, the Russians and Chinese aren't there yet, but they're getting close. I think the DoD knows that, but doesn't know how to react.

As for potential enemies, both of those nations, especially China, are smart. Especially China, as they'd never want a direct war or even a war with the USA anymore due to how interlinked the economies are. Russia is less-stable, but will give plenty of warning before any real trouble sturs up. It is their allies and the nations they are sympathetic to like Iran or North Korea that is the issue. If they get their grubby hands on that technology...

Then again, the USA has sheer numbers to deal with that. China barely has more people in the army, and China's Navy is non-existant. Their Air force is smaller then that of the USA. I think the USA would do fine swarming enemies. Both the technological, quality, and quantity guns to use. Not to mention that practically everyone in their south is armed. That can not be said for any other nation.

More than likely if any war were to occur it would be most likely by iran or North Korea! That is true, i guess the reason im so worried is because i dont want to see my countrymen die because of my governments stupidity and something that is completly preventable if we actually use our brains.

I know of the best and most questionable solution:

Isolationism politically and militarily. Screw them, we're just going to have free trade with everyone. It would prevent American deaths...

But would go against the NATO mission and would allow a lot of people who'd otherwise be saved die.

[TheFall]

More than likely if any war were to occur it would be most likely by iran or North Korea! That is true, i guess the reason im so worried is because i dont want to see my countrymen die because of my governments stupidity and something that is completly preventable if we actually use our brains.

I know of the best and most questionable solution:

Isolationism politically and militarily. Screw them, we're just going to have free trade with everyone. It would prevent American deaths...

But would go against the NATO mission and would allow a lot of people who'd otherwise be saved die.

What the US needs to do is go back into isolation again and rebuild the country, close all borders and say screw you world, except our real allies which we will still trade with.

[Hladgos]

I'm going to say that isolationism will only put us backwards. Trade would immediately decrease, our military would be pathetic, and COMMUNISM WOULD SPREAD AGAIN!!! AAAUUGH!

[Dolmhold]

I know of the best and most questionable solution:

Isolationism politically and militarily. Screw them, we're just going to have free trade with everyone. It would prevent American deaths...

But would go against the NATO mission and would allow a lot of people who'd otherwise be saved die.

What the US needs to do is go back into isolation again and rebuild the country, close all borders and say screw you world, except our real allies which we will still trade with.

Well... Politically and militaristically, maybe, but doing so economically would make a lot of enemies and throw everyone into a global great depression on the scale of the one that caused WWII. Actually, worse, but that's just a scale.

Meanwhile, yes, you can have some Maple Syrup. And remember to buy Alberta's oil! We have enough to make Saudi Arabia look like wimps!

And communism in its old form won't spread again. In its real form, maybe, but Russia really butchered it up terribly. So did China, although now they are just extreme capitalists,

[Hladgos]

There's probably a thread for this. Go do some loitering in NSG while I do productive things, like get the mods to delete these uselesnesses.

[Dolmhold]

In case anyone wishes to report derailing, we're brainstorming ideas for the RP and our nations. Yes, we are, don't ask!

Edit: Lolz Hladgos already thought about this derailing.

[TheFall]

What the US needs to do is go back into isolation again and rebuild the country, close all borders and say screw you world, except our real allies which we will still trade with.

Well... Politically and militaristically, maybe, but doing so economically would make a lot of enemies and throw everyone into a global great depression on the scale of the one that caused WWII. Actually, worse, but that's just a scale.

Meanwhile, yes, you can have some Maple Syrup. And remember to buy Alberta's oil! We have enough to make Saudi Arabia look like wimps!

And communism in its old form won't spread again. In its real form, maybe, but Russia really butchered it up terribly. So did China, although now they are just extreme capitalists,

Well what else should we do? Everyone hates America and would rather see us americans dead, and yet if we fall the world falls with us. Damn you world and your confusing ways! First you want a saviour to help liberate your country and then say that your helpers are actually the devil and despise them. It breaks my heart to see people burn my countrys flag!

[Hladgos]

In case anyone wishes to report derailing, we're brainstorming ideas for the RP and our nations. Yes, we are, don't ask!

Edit: Lolz Hladgos already thought about this derailing.

If you really want, make a thread in F7 or something. I'm sick of reality and the boringness that comes with it.