A Final Hope (Closed, OOC, Invite Only)

[Wolfenium]

OOC: This is the OOC thread for the Astoli Peace Summit thread. Please keep all OOC chatter to this thread. Participation is on a strictly invite-only basis. If you did not have an invitation, but still want to participate, please TG me beforehand. I'll probably allow you in if there's still places available. I got enough participants already, so I'm sorry but I can't allow any more RPers for now. The link to the IC thread is here.

For those who did get the invite and want to join in, please tell me who you'd be sending. I'll get a list of delegates up momentarily.

For those of you who just jumped in, or don't have much of a clue as to the backdrop of this scenario, here's the plot.

Intro (IC):

Casino Land... a lavish island resort constructed in a deserted atoll in the middle of the Alphirion Ocean, off the west coast of Astol. Built on the dreams of an eccentric billionaire weary of the dark landscape of the mainland, the resort represented a ideal of happiness long forgotten in the conflict and violence of the Astoli world. However, while in its short heyday, it was a sprawling tropical paradise for the rich and wealthy, the resort was mysteriously abandoned when a strange fog engulfed the island, stripping it of its employees and its founder. A year since that bizarre event, the resort had laid decrepit and ruined, until now...

It is the day of the Astoli Peace Summit, an eventful first in many years. Delegates from across Astol and beyond will meet at this once iconic but deserted resort to discuss various regional and global issues in the name of mutual cooperation. In particular, however, the summit would play host to peace negotiations between the Commonwealth of Amythyst and the Empire of Wolfenium, who had endured more than a decade of war and military standoff. However, darkness looms over the horizon, and disruptions by die-hards and rebels alike could potentially derail the talks. With so much at stake, will a final peace settlement pull through in the end, or will chaos prevail once again, as thousands, if not millions of lives are to be put on the line for another hostile confrontation?

References (may be subject to change):
Annals of History - Chapter V
Annals of History - Chapter VI

Rules:

• Don't post, in this thread or the IC one, if I never invited you. If you want in, TG me. If I said no, then sorry, but you have to go elsewhere for another RP. More likely or not, I'll say yes, but I'll check your previous posts beforehand to be sure your RP and language skills are decent enough.
• No deaths, although I can't see how this would be possible in a relatively peaceful confrence. If you want a shocking assassination of some kind, or a sudden heart attack or fatal ailment, TG me first and keep it to people from your nation.
• No godmodding. If you want a course of actions to be taken by the other party, at least TG or post in this thread for approval from him or her. At least let me and the other RPers know what's going on.

[New Amerik]

I trust no IC stuff needs to be said, so....

Well, this should be interesting. I'd certainly be interested, yes, in attending the summit, but....

Um, without...revealing too many or any spoilers if possible, about how much action or violence is there planned? I mean, is this going to be a nice, maybe diplomatically tense but otherwise nice nonhostile diplomatic summit, some minor action happening, or is some full blown "shit starts blowing up" going to take place? While I really don't have anything planned at all, how tense relations between the nations are will effect how much security is brought to the peace summit, and I'd like to know whether to prepare for fighting or chatting.

[Wolfenium]

It's probably going to be a largely peaceful meeting, albeit a very politically tense one. After all, not all the invitees have benefits to advanced tech or magic. But you're going to have to bring a few personal guards just in case.

Probably minor action as well, but nothing as full scale as the White Citadel thread. Needless to say, that RP went haywire...

[Cilistia Novaren]

Sounds good, but tell me, what is the most your leader would agree to in our other RP- so I know where I stand? Alliance? trade?

Also, sorry I havent posted in awhile, I was on vacation

[Wolfenium]

It's Ok. I would say trade at the moment. He's not looking into alliance talks for now. I even posted on the Regency Storefront, although I realized how much gemstone prices will vary...

[Cilistia Novaren]

Ok then, so also tell me, how would the Amythesians feel about the trading and good relations? Would they possibly see as, if a war broke out, we would help against them?

[Wolfenium]

Depends on the faction you're dealing with. The Tsarina herself and her reformist allies aren't that particular and wouldn't mind your affairs as much, but most of the aristocracy might treat your nation with more hostility, especially since your nation already has an embassy in Wolfenium

[The Floor Kippers]

I'll be sending Sir Nigel, and a The CEO of a Notable business from the country

[Wolfenium]

Ahh, I got it...

[Kylarnatia]

Invited. High Lady Lillian Bridon or an Imperial Ambassador will be able to attend, but Tsarina Silvier IV (whom you originally invited), is currently preparing for a State Visit to the Crown Dependency of Tiami.

[Wolfenium]

No problem. I don't neccessarily need the head of state to attend. Any top dignitary could do.

[New Amerik]

Yeah. We'll be sending Illusioneering Divisional Leader Walter Disney, I think.

[Kylarnatia]

No problem. I don't neccessarily need the head of state to attend. Any top dignitary could do.

You just said my heads of state were invited. So I was just clearing that up, though I understand - thats cool. It might have to be an Imperial Ambassador, but they're all very well taught, so they'll be like any top dignatory.

We'll have to see what happens when the event goes up. I'll keep an eye out for it when it does.

[Cilistia Novaren]

I am assuming that no one minds if I arrive in a shuttle? I am an FT nation, so I will also have all the future stuff with me.

[Kylarnatia]

I am assuming that no one minds if I arrive in a shuttle? I am an FT nation, so I will also have all the future stuff with me.

Not to be an ass, but I do think that you should keep to the technology age. I'm sure you can rewind back to what your country was in a Modern Technology Age - you never know, it might be quite a fun experience.

[Cilistia Novaren]

I am assuming that no one minds if I arrive in a shuttle? I am an FT nation, so I will also have all the future stuff with me.

Not to be an ass, but I do think that you should keep to the technology age. I'm sure you can rewind back to what your country was in a Modern Technology Age - you never know, it might be quite a fun experience.

Its actually an alien race, from another planet, and my previous dealings with wolf. were using the FT setting of my country

[Kylarnatia]

Not to be an ass, but I do think that you should keep to the technology age. I'm sure you can rewind back to what your country was in a Modern Technology Age - you never know, it might be quite a fun experience.

Its actually an alien race, from another planet, and my previous dealings with wolf. were using the FT setting of my country

Well then, this is going to be an inaccurate, shadowed roleplay. I'm not trying to be a fun killer here, but we've got to be serious. An encouter from the sci-fi kind doesn't go something like "oh yeah, I was at that peace confrence, and an alien just walked in the room." :|

I really think you should try to keep this logical, and stick to the technology age.

[New Amerik]

Its actually an alien race, from another planet, and my previous dealings with wolf. were using the FT setting of my country

Well then, this is going to be an inaccurate, shadowed roleplay. I'm not trying to be a fun killer here, but we've got to be serious. An encouter from the sci-fi kind doesn't go something like "oh yeah, I was at that peace confrence, and an alien just walked in the room." :|

I really think you should try to keep this logical, and stick to the technology age.

It doesn't? Man, we're operating on two different levels here...

Frankly, the only times New Amerik's even had any kind of contact with Wolfenium or Amythist was when it was in its default universe-crossing Schizo-Future Tech state - and the RPs were serious in their own right. As far as technology age goes...well, can't exactly do that myself either. The nation never existed during a modern-tech period of time.

I do not see exactly how science fiction and future technology does not mean the RP can be serious. It's perfectly possible to play it straight.

[Kylarnatia]

I didn't mean it like that. Future Technology and Fantasy Roleplays can be as serious as anything else, that is very true. But you've got to see it like this - alien encounters don't generally come along with a simple peace confrence. Plus, you've got to think how nations of the world would react. I mean, my diplomat isn't going to come along, and give the alien a high five, he/she will probably be quite shocked, then have it captured and detained.

I don't know how I can put it more simply, but it just doesn't make an accurate roleplay, in my opinion. I really don't want to ruin your experience, but it just doesn't work. And as I said before, you could have some fun thinking up an MT nation for this roleplay, you never know.

Put it like this; mixing technology ages too much creates too much friction for other participants. So you've all got to agree on one frame to operate in, so it doesn't confuse things. To my knowlege, this is Fantasy-MT (which is possible, because it's Ability+Technology, not Technology+Technology) so, we're best to all operate on that.

I might ask a mentor to back me up here, as I think they'll be able to explain it better :/

[Cilistia Novaren]

I didn't mean it like that. Future Technology and Fantasy Roleplays can be as serious as anything else, that is very true. But you've got to see it like this - alien encounters don't generally come along with a simple peace confrence. Plus, you've got to think how nations of the world would react. I mean, my diplomat isn't going to come along, and give the alien a high five, he/she will probably be quite shocked, then have it captured and detained.

I don't know how I can put it more simply, but it just doesn't make an accurate roleplay, in my opinion. I really don't want to ruin your experience, but it just doesn't work. And as I said before, you could have some fun thinking up an MT nation for this roleplay, you never know.

Put it like this; mixing technology ages too much creates too much friction for other participants. So you've all got to agree on one frame to operate in, so it doesn't confuse things. To my knowlege, this is Fantasy-MT (which is possible, because it's Ability+Technology, not Technology+Technology) so, we're best to all operate on that.

I might ask a mentor to back me up here, as I think they'll be able to explain it better :/

Detained? Seems a bit far, I mean, I imagine it would not be all too much of a surprise, after all if something so big were to happen I imagine you would be informed beforehand.

I understand your stance completely, I really don't blame you, the only real problem would be that I have no reason to enter if not with this nation, at this time. Perhaps we can reach some sort of an agreement, perhaps I could send a human diplomat? Give no real allusion that I am FT to anyone else, I could even arrive in a vehicle that wolf. provides from the landing zone. I understand that that wouldn't really solve the issue at hand, what with mixing techs and all, but perhaps it would be better than an 8 foot alien coming in for peace talks...?

[New Amerik]

True for me as well. I can see where you're coming from, except that I'd have no reason to enter unless it was this nation, and the fact that I have RPed with the host before, in my level of technology, and there was no confusion or fuss about it.

As far as FanT/MT versus FT is concerned, mind clearing me up on the differences between FanT and FT? I'm not trying to joss you, it's just that I fail to see why you would want to detain or capture an alien diplomat when the host country has vampires. There's already going to be stuff that's out of the norm.

Also, nations of the world? Unless Wolfenium's on NSEarth, presumably they get to dictate how the nations of their planet react. Capturing and detaining a diplomat of another nation on the grounds of a third nation is kinda a dick move as well.

[Kylarnatia]

On the Detaining situation - It was an example of what might be done in the circumstances of a human passing an alien. My diplomat might request for the thing to be detained, but he/she wouldn't actually force it. Plus, wouldn't you be concerned about something that was off this earth? Things that are on this earth, vampire or no, will atleast still be in more of a normality then something from the furthest reaches of the galaxy, which we haven't even got to preforming technology to reach.

Diffrences between FanT and FT? In Fantasy, they're still coming in some form of humanoid (atleast in this nation anyway) - not an eight foot alien with huge spaceships, that is the major diffrence. Plus, as I stated, atleast the technology is to the same level. I mean, its just stupid of thinking a Boeing 747 going next to an intergalactic ship, don't you think?

What I meant by 'nations of the world' isn't some NSEarth scenario, I mean on how the international community would react as a whole. I mean, if an alien landed in the UK, seriously, right now - NO country in the world is just going to let it walk around, amiright? Thats just a used example. This world, especially MT wise, is almost like the real earth, so I don't think human reactions are going to be much diffrent.

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What this boils down to is this - a set technology age is there for a reason. I really don't mean to make things more difficult for you if you're planning to roleplay in this, but you've got to understand is that if the OP is in the MT Timeframe, it atleast helps if the rest of the participants are aswell.

I mean, it'd be impossible for some of the participants to write in their factbooks; at the Astoli Peace Confrence, where many delegations participated, including an alien... the thing is stopped dead. It just contradicts everything that is understood in that technology age.

I really can't make it any clearer so I'm just going to say it - Its just not logical. This is Fant-MT, Yes Vampires ect., but MODERN TECHNOLOGY. It doesn't matter if they're vampires so you think Aliens aren't out of the norm, but the thing you've got to understand is that they are. Why? Because of the technology.

I know I must be coming over as awkward right now, but I'm sure Wolf will have to agree with me when I say that it really just does jump right out of the boundary here

[New Amerik]

I'll wait for something from Wolfenium because yeah, still somewhat confused, but I'll just say this:

The nation i RP comes from an alternate universe that is one of many in what they see as the Multiverse. It exists on a Earth, most decidedly not the one we know and love but one nonetheless. They primarily travel across universes through technology, which is their primary means of communication (via letters, tape, in person, etc) with other nations. They have humans. They have nonhumans native to their earth. They even have aliens, yes (turncoats of a World War 3 still being fought), and AI, giant nuclear powered walkers, and magic. Gods operate mainly on the "God needs worship badly" rule as far as they're concerned.

In other words, as I said - schizo-future tech.

[Wolfenium]

I've looked through the text, and personally, I don't see much of a problem with the conflict in tech, as long as people don't flash their toys so often. Given the situation here, I doubt there would be a need to show them to others anyway.

But I get what Kylarnatia meant about the tech levels. I admit, it would be very jarring if a saucer landed out of the blue in the presence of delegates that had no prior experience with extraterrestrials, e.g. RL Earth. In my RP, I often try to consider whether the other side has any known and recognised existence of magic, and act accordingly. I'll have to ask at least for Cilistia to arrive with something that seemingly looks like a modern aircraft. Could be a saucer cloaked to look like a VTOL? Up to you!

But as a suggestion, Cilistia, you can actually try RPing such that you are trying to hide your FT identity from nations that might act in shock otherwise, like Kyle, while basically acting as per normal in front of others who wouldn't really mind. After all, what they don't know ICly won't hurt them. Take it as Karl asked for this.

In the end, like I said, I'm not going to place a cap on technology as long as it's kept small scale and as an informed ability, like communications devices and stuff. The landing thing, I understand, because I really think blending transports of different millenia together in public is a bad idea. It didn't matter for my RP with Cilistia since they landed on a runway near a secured base in the only city in Astol to be inadvertantly ravaged by an extraterrestrial attack. *gasp...* Besides, the only things that's going to get that treaty signed are a pen, paper and words of confrontation, and all those are older than dirt.

On an unrelated note, I want to know the stance taken by the various factions. I'm going to be on holiday in Japan for the next week, so maybe I'll have the IC thread up by then! For now, I'm going to waste my life away in the drill square... God, I stink...

[Kylarnatia]

As part of our agreement - I'll be there to just back up Wolfeniums stance. As to if it'll be anyone high level I'm sending, I still don't know...

Perhaps the Secretary-General? Though he might be needed back home, because he's going to have to deal with the situation with my territories in Guanxi...