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Postby Sunset » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:17 pm

Again, a lot of variables.

The history of the nation will have a huge impact on all three of these things;

It may not need a military. If it is a true corporate state, it could technically exist in the middle of any number of other sovereign states. The citizens are also citizens of other countries who just happen to work for said mega-corporation. If it is itself a true sovereignty, is it an aggressive one? And then there is the question of education, which ties into military.

Dumb People Fight Wars.

Period.

There is a difference between being prepared to defend yourself, and being prepared to invade someone else. Smart people take the long view; Ultimately, an inefficient economic or political system will destroy itself while a more efficient and effective system will sustain itself. So, if your proposed nation values highly educated people, it will likely have a potent but small military that is suited for defense with some kind of backup plan for the occasional Hitler scenario. If it is run by dumb people, it will likely have a large, unwieldy military that has a large role in society.

Now, an effective corporate leadership team will go with the first option; The expense of maintaining the military will be balanced against what it gains the nation, both tangibly and intangibly. But let's just put it this way; MBAs are not generally very good with the idea of intangibles. They want hard numbers and tend to ignore what cannot be precisely quantified. Witness IT spending; Many companies cut their IT departments because they do not seem to be 'producing' anything. This leads to inefficient business practices as their IT infrastructure (which is very important in the modern world) is sub-par to non-existent. But because it cannot be precisely quantified, the MBA-type will see it as unimportant. Until their laptop stops working (because they were surfing porn at work).

So, what is the education like? And what is the source? If the nation exists alongside others (Like in Jennifer Government!) then the education may come from outside. If it's internal, is it driven by an ideology? If so, what?

All of these questions and their answers will have knock-on effects to other parts of the nation and to it's history. So. Variable. History. That's where I would start.
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Postby Neu Engollon » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:55 pm

Sunset wrote:Again, a lot of variables.

The history of the nation will have a huge impact on all three of these things;

It may not need a military. If it is a true corporate state, it could technically exist in the middle of any number of other sovereign states. The citizens are also citizens of other countries who just happen to work for said mega-corporation. If it is itself a true sovereignty, is it an aggressive one? And then there is the question of education, which ties into military.

Dumb People Fight Wars.

Period.

There is a difference between being prepared to defend yourself, and being prepared to invade someone else. Smart people take the long view; Ultimately, an inefficient economic or political system will destroy itself while a more efficient and effective system will sustain itself. So, if your proposed nation values highly educated people, it will likely have a potent but small military that is suited for defense with some kind of backup plan for the occasional Hitler scenario. If it is run by dumb people, it will likely have a large, unwieldy military that has a large role in society.

Now, an effective corporate leadership team will go with the first option; The expense of maintaining the military will be balanced against what it gains the nation, both tangibly and intangibly. But let's just put it this way; MBAs are not generally very good with the idea of intangibles. They want hard numbers and tend to ignore what cannot be precisely quantified. Witness IT spending; Many companies cut their IT departments because they do not seem to be 'producing' anything. This leads to inefficient business practices as their IT infrastructure (which is very important in the modern world) is sub-par to non-existent. But because it cannot be precisely quantified, the MBA-type will see it as unimportant. Until their laptop stops working (because they were surfing porn at work).

So, what is the education like? And what is the source? If the nation exists alongside others (Like in Jennifer Government!) then the education may come from outside. If it's internal, is it driven by an ideology? If so, what?

All of these questions and their answers will have knock-on effects to other parts of the nation and to it's history. So. Variable. History. That's where I would start.


Not that I totally agree with all of this, but some good points. Also, a corporatocracy might consider contracting out defense to PMCs. Shameless promotion here, the NSPMC Guild has a lot of good PMCs that are able to be contracted out. PMCs can negate the need for maintaining an expensive standing military or a long term military campaign that might drain a nation. They can be brought on to perform missions like facility and base security, VIP protection, small missions like raids to seize targets or persons of interest, destroy threatening sites in neighboring nations, or eliminate threats, then, when the mission is done, the cost is not ongoing, but wrapped up nicely. Many nations also contract out greatly to enact policy, just like RL and the US during it's current wars of the last two decades. OOC wise, you have an instant ally in any RP thread by bringing on a PMC RPer, and more than likely a vet RPer, as well.
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Postby Roski » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:46 pm

Sunset wrote:Again, a lot of variables.

The history of the nation will have a huge impact on all three of these things;

It may not need a military. If it is a true corporate state, it could technically exist in the middle of any number of other sovereign states. The citizens are also citizens of other countries who just happen to work for said mega-corporation. If it is itself a true sovereignty, is it an aggressive one? And then there is the question of education, which ties into military.

Dumb People Fight Wars.

Period.

There is a difference between being prepared to defend yourself, and being prepared to invade someone else. Smart people take the long view; Ultimately, an inefficient economic or political system will destroy itself while a more efficient and effective system will sustain itself. So, if your proposed nation values highly educated people, it will likely have a potent but small military that is suited for defense with some kind of backup plan for the occasional Hitler scenario. If it is run by dumb people, it will likely have a large, unwieldy military that has a large role in society.

Now, an effective corporate leadership team will go with the first option; The expense of maintaining the military will be balanced against what it gains the nation, both tangibly and intangibly. But let's just put it this way; MBAs are not generally very good with the idea of intangibles. They want hard numbers and tend to ignore what cannot be precisely quantified. Witness IT spending; Many companies cut their IT departments because they do not seem to be 'producing' anything. This leads to inefficient business practices as their IT infrastructure (which is very important in the modern world) is sub-par to non-existent. But because it cannot be precisely quantified, the MBA-type will see it as unimportant. Until their laptop stops working (because they were surfing porn at work).

So, what is the education like? And what is the source? If the nation exists alongside others (Like in Jennifer Government!) then the education may come from outside. If it's internal, is it driven by an ideology? If so, what?

All of these questions and their answers will have knock-on effects to other parts of the nation and to it's history. So. Variable. History. That's where I would start.


Can Smart people have a militarized society? Or is this a all x are y
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Postby Northern Collectives » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:04 pm

Roski wrote:
Sunset wrote:Again, a lot of variables.

The history of the nation will have a huge impact on all three of these things;

It may not need a military. If it is a true corporate state, it could technically exist in the middle of any number of other sovereign states. The citizens are also citizens of other countries who just happen to work for said mega-corporation. If it is itself a true sovereignty, is it an aggressive one? And then there is the question of education, which ties into military.

Dumb People Fight Wars.

Period.

There is a difference between being prepared to defend yourself, and being prepared to invade someone else. Smart people take the long view; Ultimately, an inefficient economic or political system will destroy itself while a more efficient and effective system will sustain itself. So, if your proposed nation values highly educated people, it will likely have a potent but small military that is suited for defense with some kind of backup plan for the occasional Hitler scenario. If it is run by dumb people, it will likely have a large, unwieldy military that has a large role in society.

Now, an effective corporate leadership team will go with the first option; The expense of maintaining the military will be balanced against what it gains the nation, both tangibly and intangibly. But let's just put it this way; MBAs are not generally very good with the idea of intangibles. They want hard numbers and tend to ignore what cannot be precisely quantified. Witness IT spending; Many companies cut their IT departments because they do not seem to be 'producing' anything. This leads to inefficient business practices as their IT infrastructure (which is very important in the modern world) is sub-par to non-existent. But because it cannot be precisely quantified, the MBA-type will see it as unimportant. Until their laptop stops working (because they were surfing porn at work).

So, what is the education like? And what is the source? If the nation exists alongside others (Like in Jennifer Government!) then the education may come from outside. If it's internal, is it driven by an ideology? If so, what?

All of these questions and their answers will have knock-on effects to other parts of the nation and to it's history. So. Variable. History. That's where I would start.


Can Smart people have a militarized society? Or is this a all x are y


Smart nations can have militaries, but it is unlikely that they will be large since a nation of smart people, will generate a better economy, and have more money to better train and equip their troops, then a nation with a large army, that needs to conquer areas to stay afloat.

While you could have a large army of intelligent people, it is simply less likely due to the ability to give your troops better funding and weapons, so there isn't a need for a large military. A martial society, anyone can have. You could have a nation of smart people, and a war-like culture, which would make you have a more militarist society, but is simply less likely since more time is dedicated to education the war games.
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Postby Sunset » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:19 pm

The wording was at least somewhat careful. There are always exceptions to the rule, and I was going for a sharp point rather than a thesis statement. But could, in my opinion, a smart civilization also be a militarized one? Sure.

At that point the question is why and this goes into history and developing your nation.

Sunset would be an example of this particular scenario, to a certain extent. It is not hyper-militarized with tanks on every corner and a senior general on the board of every corporation, but it has a strong military tradition and emphasis on service. The history behind that is important; When NS-RP started out, Mars was one of those go-to planets for a lot of people. Want to expand into space? Mars. Looking for somewhere to lick your military chops? Mars. And since there were a lot of FT RPers on Mars in those days, there was a lot of potential conflict.

Now, then as now, Sunset tended to the long view. A massive military buildup over a single generation would make us secure, but it would also saddle us with either a lot of debt or a budget that was exclusively geared towards war. So while we militarized, we also educated. Education is the single best net-gain a civilization can invest in, because it solves so many future problems before they even become problems. I won't get into the various points there, but it resulted in a culture where aggression is seen as counter-productive compared to diplomacy and looking for that win-win-win-win scenario where everyone benefits. Ideally twice.

The military is there to keep potential opponents from attacking us before diplomacy has a chance to do its job. Or just in case it doesn't. As much as I'd like to hope otherwise, the galaxy seems to be full of people who like to fight just to fight and if we have to beat them down before we show them a better path? Sometimes that happens.
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Postby Draica » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:23 pm

Under Emperor Hirohito of Japan his economy was one of the strongest in his day(6th largest economy on the planet when he walked in, amazing military, and 2nd largest economy, still amazing military when he left out).

Doesn't sound like Japan was in a lot of debt to me.
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Postby Roski » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:49 pm

Sunset wrote:The wording was at least somewhat careful. There are always exceptions to the rule, and I was going for a sharp point rather than a thesis statement. But could, in my opinion, a smart civilization also be a militarized one? Sure.

At that point the question is why and this goes into history and developing your nation.

Sunset would be an example of this particular scenario, to a certain extent. It is not hyper-militarized with tanks on every corner and a senior general on the board of every corporation, but it has a strong military tradition and emphasis on service. The history behind that is important; When NS-RP started out, Mars was one of those go-to planets for a lot of people. Want to expand into space? Mars. Looking for somewhere to lick your military chops? Mars. And since there were a lot of FT RPers on Mars in those days, there was a lot of potential conflict.

Now, then as now, Sunset tended to the long view. A massive military buildup over a single generation would make us secure, but it would also saddle us with either a lot of debt or a budget that was exclusively geared towards war. So while we militarized, we also educated. Education is the single best net-gain a civilization can invest in, because it solves so many future problems before they even become problems. I won't get into the various points there, but it resulted in a culture where aggression is seen as counter-productive compared to diplomacy and looking for that win-win-win-win scenario where everyone benefits. Ideally twice.

The military is there to keep potential opponents from attacking us before diplomacy has a chance to do its job. Or just in case it doesn't. As much as I'd like to hope otherwise, the galaxy seems to be full of people who like to fight just to fight and if we have to beat them down before we show them a better path? Sometimes that happens.


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Postby United Gordonopia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:07 pm

Draica wrote:Under Emperor Hirohito of Japan his economy was one of the strongest in his day(6th largest economy on the planet when he walked in, amazing military, and 2nd largest economy, still amazing military when he left out).

Doesn't sound like Japan was in a lot of debt to me.

I'd check your facts if I were you :P Japan's original military buildup and industrialization caused massive debt; in the 1910s, 20s, and 30s the country had significant debt and at various points virtually exhausted its credit. It was incredibly expensive for the country to catch up to the European powers.

It would be a bit misleading to talk about the country as having a powerful military during the 1980s, as at the time (and to a large extent to this day) the country relied on the United States for protection. Sure, the JSDF was a fairly well equipped force, it was by no means the great power in military terms that it had been. The Soviet Union, US, and probably some European powers had navies, armies, and air forces that outclassed Japan's, and to this day Japan has quite a small military for its population (260,000 active, 50,000 reserve). Compare that to, say, France with half the population and a similarly sized military, or to the fact that while Japan spends a mere 1% of its GDP on its military, the US, UK, France, China, and Russia (UNSC members) spend 3.8, 2.3, 2.2, 2.0, and 4.1 respectively. Japan these days is simply not the most militarized country out there, and hasn't been since World War II.
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Postby Draica » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:27 pm

Two questions.

How would one play a leader simillar to Napoleon Bonaparte in terms of leadership and Military stradegy?

How would one play the Confederate States in a MT setting(assuming they won the civil war and all) I simply need ideas.
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:29 pm

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Postby Lompa » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:30 pm

I want to base my political system on medieval Iceland, but I also want to participate in war RPs. How could a stateless society fight off invaders.

Also could I have the president as a ceremonial figurehead. He has no real power, he just represents the nation.
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Postby Yalos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:46 pm

Lompa wrote:I want to base my political system on medieval Iceland, but I also want to participate in war RPs. How could a stateless society fight off invaders.

Also could I have the president as a ceremonial figurehead. He has no real power, he just represents the nation.

If it’s a stateless society, then a president kind of seems out of place. But that’s just mho.
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Postby Questers » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:07 pm

Draica wrote:Under Emperor Hirohito of Japan his economy was one of the strongest in his day(6th largest economy on the planet when he walked in, amazing military, and 2nd largest economy, still amazing military when he left out).

Doesn't sound like Japan was in a lot of debt to me.
Japan is the perfect example of what Sunset is talking about. It spends only a fraction on defence but because its GDP is so large it translates to a large expenditure.

By the way, its common knowledge Japan is one of the most indebted nations in the world.
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Postby Draica » Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:22 pm

How would one play a leader simillar to Napoleon Bonaparte in terms of leadership and Military stradegy?

What, in your mind. would a theocracy that praises Hades(the greek god) would be like? Would they be the more invasive type?
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The Waldensian-Draican-Kiribati Cold War: Won. Dissolution of Communist Government in Waldensia

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Postby Irav » Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:56 pm

How would 21th century privateering work out for a nation like me?

They would recieve government funding and maybe have frigates or destroyers for them to use.
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Postby Roski » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:33 pm

Irav wrote:How would 21th century privateering work out for a nation like me?

They would recieve government funding and maybe have frigates or destroyers for them to use.


See: Somalian Pirates
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Postby United Gordonopia » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:12 pm

Irav wrote:How would 21th century privateering work out for a nation like me?

They would recieve government funding and maybe have frigates or destroyers for them to use.

If your goal is to use privateers to fight some sort of proxy war (as thats really what they were used for) and try to deflect some of the blame, I imagine it would work out horribly. At least if you're providing them with frigates and destroyers. A modern warship of that size is going to cost in the high hundreds of millions to low billions of dollars; not only would it be tremendous overkill for subtle commerce raiding (Somali pirates are modestly successful without ships like that, which are designed for ship to ship combat as opposed to commerce raiding), but it would be very obvious that no one save a government could be providing them with their ships.

If you want to support piracy, you'd want to go much lower key than a navy warship.
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Postby Serrian » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:20 pm

Hi guys, quick question.

Would this be considered PMT tech or FT? If PMT, early or late?

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Postby Kylarnatia » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:38 pm

Serrian wrote:Hi guys, quick question.

Would this be considered PMT tech or FT? If PMT, early or late?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=serr ... /id=309930


The difficult thing is, that's completely open to individual interpretation. Some people would argue that's definitely FT. Some would argue it's definitely PMT. Some would argue it's late PMT, though there would be some who would dare say it's - in their minds - completely early PMT. There are no strict definitions to any of the tech levels on NationStates, not really, at least not on a game-wide level.

Therefore, my suggestion to you is that, in the event you wish to use that technology in a roleplay, you consult the people you're roleplaying with. Tell them "Hey, this is the tech I use, you guys cool with that?" - and you'll either find the answer is one of three things. Either they're completely okay with it, which is the cool outcome. They may say it's fine, on the condition that they can use some form of advanced technology in return to match it, so that the balance isn't tipped completely in your favour (this, to me, is the most appropriate and beneficial outcome, from a roleplay perspective. Cooperation is always necessary in RPing). Finally, you may simply find that they do not agree with the tech, in which case you can either choose to move on in the roleplay without it or simply move on from the roleplay. Both are acceptable positions.

What is not acceptable (or commendable), is taking the position of "I'm going to use this tech whether you like it or not!" and kicking up a fuss. If you find a roleplayer who you can't agree with, just cut the drama and move along. It'll save everybody - yourself included - a lot of headaches, and there are plenty of people in this community, which means there will always be someone to roleplay with. Just because one person says no to you doesn't always guarantee everyone will.

As an extra note, however (even though it goes beyond the bounds of your question), you should always take criticism in your stride. Be it positive or negative. Grow from the praise and suggestions people might give you. Everybody here has room to improve, every time. It's my personal opinion that we should all be able to listen to each other in order to do so without resulting in pointless slugfests whenever we may disagree with one another.

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Postby Yalos » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:51 pm

Draica wrote:How would one play a leader simillar to Napoleon Bonaparte in terms of leadership and Military stradegy?

What, in your mind. would a theocracy that praises Hades(the greek god) would be like? Would they be the more invasive type?


Well, the major issue here is that military strategy is completely different, and has evolved past a simple clash of forces on a set scene of battle. The napoloenic battle cannot easily translate into a modern conflict. While battles in those ages were fought over several miles, over rivers and towns, now we have massive fronts with even larger assault groups. TForces move too quickly, air craft are too influential, and industry too well developed for a single man to simply conquer the world, and take all the credit.

In terms of leadership, you are, realistically, looking at just another dictator. Napoleon was, pretty much, just another dictator. What made him so unique was his ability to win wars, which unfortunately, is decided more by a nation's economic and industrial prowess, and less by the decisions of a single individual, at least in MT. Perhaps you may have a revolutionary dictator, and you could look to Soviet dictators to help flesh out your Napoleonic mastermind. I would assume a powerful, well developed military doctrine for self defense, and maybe even power projection. The possibilities are endless.

A theocracy that praises Hades would, contrary to popular belief, not be quite so invasive. Rather, I believe that it would err on the side of extreme capitalism and a respect of aristocracy and privilege. Hades was not an evil God. He was not belligerent or cruel, though perhaps a bit lonely and excessively wealthy. Hades, in fact, was a very generous God with a horn full of food, with which he would feed the poor--but he also was arrogant and lavish. Thus, a cult dedicated to Hades might be a bit obsessed with traditions regarding death--i.ie putting coins on the eyes of Charon, the keeper of the rivers Styx and Archaron, Gold and perhaps, maybe, winter? The nature of Hades' role, however, made him unfit to be much of a patron God, and no Greek city states adopted him as their own.

It's hard to use Hades, but if you manage to figure out an authentic way to do it, I would like to hear how that goes!

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Postby Vancouvia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:47 pm

For RP, is it better to have your nation exist on Earth? By better I mean more likely for that to fit in with the majority of RP scenarios. I originally conceived of my nation not necessarily existing on Earth, but the map I created looks almost exactly like a peninsula of Alaska (which fits with my culture and geography), so should I put that in as canon?

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Postby Vancon » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:49 pm

Vancouvia wrote:For RP, is it better to have your nation exist on Earth? By better I mean more likely for that to fit in with the majority of RP scenarios. I originally conceived of my nation not necessarily existing on Earth, but the map I created looks almost exactly like a peninsula of Alaska (which fits with my culture and geography), so should I put that in as canon?

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Postby Vancouvia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:58 pm

Vancon wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:For RP, is it better to have your nation exist on Earth? By better I mean more likely for that to fit in with the majority of RP scenarios. I originally conceived of my nation not necessarily existing on Earth, but the map I created looks almost exactly like a peninsula of Alaska (which fits with my culture and geography), so should I put that in as canon?

Do what you want. There is no denying that it would make your life easy when applying for RPs.


Thanks. Nice flag. Would like some other opinions as well

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Postby Vancon » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:05 pm

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Vancon wrote:Do what you want. There is no denying that it would make your life easy when applying for RPs.


Thanks. Nice flag. Would like some other opinions as well

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Postby The Macabees » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:08 pm

Vancouvia wrote:For RP, is it better to have your nation exist on Earth? By better I mean more likely for that to fit in with the majority of RP scenarios. I originally conceived of my nation not necessarily existing on Earth, but the map I created looks almost exactly like a peninsula of Alaska (which fits with my culture and geography), so should I put that in as canon?


I think assuming that you're located on Earth broadens the number of players who would be willing to RP with you, if only because when you have a custom map (and custom geography) it might give off the vibe that the RP is exclusive to whatever region you're in. One way to get around that is to include "(Open, Applications Thread)" in your title. From my experience (which was a long time ago, to be honest), new players tend to start with Earth-geographies first, and once they have a circle of players they're comfortable with they'll start to move towards custom geographies.
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