The Collective Security League: Official Tribunal

[Azmeny]

Shaila Bourq: "It is common knowledge that the EFU started their attack on Muqaddasia first. There are more points to consider, and this tribunal will surely do so in the coming days, but that is an important fact to state."

“I think this warrants punishment, but maybe we should be lenient considering the circumstances.”

[Greater Marine]

The Marinian judge arrives at the court. James Ivans was a former lawyer, who had been promoted to judgea few years back. He knew that this case, in spite of his 30 years in international law would be his toughest case yet.
"I suggest that this case requires particular nuance. The question is, though, is something right just beacause our opponents did it?"

[Islamic Holy Sites]

The Muqaddasi representative for the trial arrives.

[Gabeonia]

The Marinian judge arrives at the court. James Ivans was a former lawyer, who had been promoted to judgea few years back. He knew that this case, in spite of his 30 years in international law would be his toughest case yet.
"I suggest that this case requires particular nuance. The question is, though, is something right just beacause our opponents did it?"

The Gabeonian judge, Daniel Campbell speaks. "Because our opponents did it does not mean it is ok for us to do it. The CSL Charter states 'The CSL is to uphold democratic values and human rights in its action and ideals.' Therefore, regardless of what our opponents do, at least by the CSL Charter all Member States must uphold human rights in their actions and ideals."

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“I would like to say that there would be no forcing anyone to give up their nationalities. The European citizens had three choice of going back to the EFU or staying in Muqaddasia and taking Muqaddasi citizenship. And also, I would think it is obvious that if anyone has a problem or difficulty, an exception would be made for them. The reason for this decision was that we could no longer trust anybody with the EFU’s spies being sent into Muqaddasia.”

[Gabeonia]

“I would like to say that there would be no forcing anyone to give up their nationalities. The European citizens had three choice of going back to the EFU or staying in Muqaddasia and taking Muqaddasi citizenship. And also, I would think it is obvious that if anyone has a problem or difficulty, an exception would be made for them. The reason for this decision was that we could no longer trust anybody with the EFU’s spies being sent into Muqaddasia.”

"In your announcement, it states 'All European citizens are now to be deported from Muqaddasia within a year if they do not forfeit their European citizenship and take Muqaddasi citizenship.' that sounds like forced forfeiture of citizenship, or being forced to leave. Even if you entered the country legally. Whether you actually follow through with your original announcement or this one, you made a mistake that could have resulted in armed conflict with the EFU and allies. That would eventually pull in the CSL to assist you."

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“I would like to say that there would be no forcing anyone to give up their nationalities. The European citizens had three choice of going back to the EFU or staying in Muqaddasia and taking Muqaddasi citizenship. And also, I would think it is obvious that if anyone has a problem or difficulty, an exception would be made for them. The reason for this decision was that we could no longer trust anybody with the EFU’s spies being sent into Muqaddasia.”

"In your announcement, it states 'All European citizens are now to be deported from Muqaddasia within a year if they do not forfeit their European citizenship and take Muqaddasi citizenship.' that sounds like forced forfeiture of citizenship, or being forced to leave. Even if you entered the country legally. Whether you actually follow through with your original announcement or this one, you made a mistake that could have resulted in armed conflict with the EFU and allies. That would eventually pull in the CSL to assist you."

“They were given a choice between the two. It isn’t as if we were keeping them in slave camps, unlike some nations. Muqaddasia was not looking for conflict. The EFU unnecessarily antagonised Muqaddasia, so the blame lies with them.”

[Bernskia]

“I would like to say that there would be no forcing anyone to give up their nationalities. The European citizens had three choice of going back to the EFU or staying in Muqaddasia and taking Muqaddasi citizenship. And also, I would think it is obvious that if anyone has a problem or difficulty, an exception would be made for them. The reason for this decision was that we could no longer trust anybody with the EFU’s spies being sent into Muqaddasia.”

"In your announcement, it states 'All European citizens are now to be deported from Muqaddasia within a year if they do not forfeit their European citizenship and take Muqaddasi citizenship.' that sounds like forced forfeiture of citizenship, or being forced to leave. Even if you entered the country legally. Whether you actually follow through with your original announcement or this one, you made a mistake that could have resulted in armed conflict with the EFU and allies. That would eventually pull in the CSL to assist you."

"I see."

[Gabeonia]

“They were given a choice between the two. It isn’t as if we were keeping them in slave camps, unlike some nations. Muqaddasia was not looking for conflict. The EFU unnecessarily antagonised Muqaddasia, so the blame lies with them.”

"Your statement will be taken into consideration in this investigation."

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“They were given a choice between the two. It isn’t as if we were keeping them in slave camps, unlike some nations. Muqaddasia was not looking for conflict. The EFU unnecessarily antagonised Muqaddasia, so the blame lies with them.”

"Your statement will be taken into consideration in this investigation."

“Thank you.”

[The Kemaharajaan Majapahit]

“I would like to say that there would be no forcing anyone to give up their nationalities. The European citizens had three choice of going back to the EFU or staying in Muqaddasia and taking Muqaddasi citizenship. And also, I would think it is obvious that if anyone has a problem or difficulty, an exception would be made for them. The reason for this decision was that we could no longer trust anybody with the EFU’s spies being sent into Muqaddasia.”

“They were given a choice between the two. It isn’t as if we were keeping them in slave camps, unlike some nations. Muqaddasia was not looking for conflict. The EFU unnecessarily antagonised Muqaddasia, so the blame lies with them.”

OOC: I hope you guys don't mind me participating in the trial too (since I am the one that lodged the complaint?); it's getting very interesting and kinda fun. Do tell me if this is not allowed.

IC:

"Ah, but if I may interject!" countered the Majapahit representative, Kartika Wardhana, pacing the room of the Tribunal with a confident and almost smug look on his face, "As I mentioned in my original statement, three of the human rights guaranteed by the UDHR are the right to nationality, the right to change one's nationality, and the right not to be arbitrarily deprived of one's nationality. The Medianist Republic of Muqaddasia has violated at least the last of these three. Depriving an individual of their nationality must serve a legitimate aim; depriving an entire group of their nationality because of their national origin is wholly disproportional and arbitrary.

The European citizens living in Muqaddasia are also protected by human rights, including the three I mentioned before. I understand that any government might be concerned about the arrival and presence of foreign spies in their lands, but it cannot reasonably justify blanket policies affecting each and every European rather than investigating and prosecuting individual cases. When we look back to the Second World War, there is a near-unanimous agreement that the internment of virtually all Japanese Americans in the United States because 'any of them might be a spy' was a mass violation of human rights.

Now... onto my last note concerning the rebuttal by the Muqaddasian defendant that the Muqadasian state supposedly gave European nationals the freedom to choose from the options presented to them. There was hardly any choice, was there? As the honourable Gabeonian judge had said earlier: they were forced to decide between the forfeiture of their citizenship or outright deportation. The first option is a violation of human rights as I had said before, and the latter is just as cruel- perhaps a rights violation too! There must be hundreds if not thousands of cases of European citizens who have settled down in Muqaddasia, finding a stable job and starting a family after having found the love of their life there. Surely the Muqadassian state is not willing to tear the lives of so many families apart..?"

[Azmeny]

“I would like to say that there would be no forcing anyone to give up their nationalities. The European citizens had three choice of going back to the EFU or staying in Muqaddasia and taking Muqaddasi citizenship. And also, I would think it is obvious that if anyone has a problem or difficulty, an exception would be made for them. The reason for this decision was that we could no longer trust anybody with the EFU’s spies being sent into Muqaddasia.”

“They were given a choice between the two. It isn’t as if we were keeping them in slave camps, unlike some nations. Muqaddasia was not looking for conflict. The EFU unnecessarily antagonised Muqaddasia, so the blame lies with them.”

OOC: I hope you guys don't mind me participating in the trial too (since I am the one that lodged the complaint?); it's getting very interesting and kinda fun. Do tell me if this is not allowed.

IC:

"Ah, but if I may interject!" countered the Majapahit representative, Kartika Wardhana, pacing the room of the Tribunal with a confident and almost smug look on his face, "As I mentioned in my original statement, three of the human rights guaranteed by the UDHR are the right to nationality, the right to change one's nationality, and the right not to be arbitrarily deprived of one's nationality. The Medianist Republic of Muqaddasia has violated at least the last of these three. Depriving an individual of their nationality must serve a legitimate aim; depriving an entire group of their nationality because of their national origin is wholly disproportional and arbitrary.

The European citizens living in Muqaddasia are also protected by human rights, including the three I mentioned before. I understand that any government might be concerned about the arrival and presence of foreign spies in their lands, but it cannot reasonably justify blanket policies affecting each and every European rather than investigating and prosecuting individual cases. When we look back to the Second World War, there is a near-unanimous agreement that the internment of virtually all Japanese Americans in the United States because 'any of them might be a spy' was a mass violation of human rights.

Now... onto my last note concerning the rebuttal by the Muqaddasian defendant that the Muqadasian state supposedly gave European nationals the freedom to choose from the options presented to them. There was hardly any choice, was there? As the honourable Gabeonian judge had said earlier: they were forced to decide between the forfeiture of their citizenship or outright deportation. The first option is a violation of human rights as I had said before, and the latter is just as cruel- perhaps a rights violation too! There must be hundreds if not thousands of cases of European citizens who have settled down in Muqaddasia, finding a stable job and starting a family after having found the love of their life there. Surely the Muqadassian state is not willing to tear the lives of so many families apart..?"

OOC: we don’t really like outside participation in these trials normally, but given you seem to be enjoying it, you may certainly participate. Just be civil, don’t post excessively and have fun. You may continue participating

IC: “I agree, the actions of Muqaddasia were certainly uncalled for and a violation of people’s rights.”

[Gabeonia]

“I would like to say that there would be no forcing anyone to give up their nationalities. The European citizens had three choice of going back to the EFU or staying in Muqaddasia and taking Muqaddasi citizenship. And also, I would think it is obvious that if anyone has a problem or difficulty, an exception would be made for them. The reason for this decision was that we could no longer trust anybody with the EFU’s spies being sent into Muqaddasia.”

“They were given a choice between the two. It isn’t as if we were keeping them in slave camps, unlike some nations. Muqaddasia was not looking for conflict. The EFU unnecessarily antagonised Muqaddasia, so the blame lies with them.”

OOC: I hope you guys don't mind me participating in the trial too (since I am the one that lodged the complaint?); it's getting very interesting and kinda fun. Do tell me if this is not allowed.

IC:

"Ah, but if I may interject!" countered the Majapahit representative, Kartika Wardhana, pacing the room of the Tribunal with a confident and almost smug look on his face, "As I mentioned in my original statement, three of the human rights guaranteed by the UDHR are the right to nationality, the right to change one's nationality, and the right not to be arbitrarily deprived of one's nationality. The Medianist Republic of Muqaddasia has violated at least the last of these three. Depriving an individual of their nationality must serve a legitimate aim; depriving an entire group of their nationality because of their national origin is wholly disproportional and arbitrary.

The European citizens living in Muqaddasia are also protected by human rights, including the three I mentioned before. I understand that any government might be concerned about the arrival and presence of foreign spies in their lands, but it cannot reasonably justify blanket policies affecting each and every European rather than investigating and prosecuting individual cases. When we look back to the Second World War, there is a near-unanimous agreement that the internment of virtually all Japanese Americans in the United States because 'any of them might be a spy' was a mass violation of human rights.

Now... onto my last note concerning the rebuttal by the Muqaddasian defendant that the Muqadasian state supposedly gave European nationals the freedom to choose from the options presented to them. There was hardly any choice, was there? As the honourable Gabeonian judge had said earlier: they were forced to decide between the forfeiture of their citizenship or outright deportation. The first option is a violation of human rights as I had said before, and the latter is just as cruel- perhaps a rights violation too! There must be hundreds if not thousands of cases of European citizens who have settled down in Muqaddasia, finding a stable job and starting a family after having found the love of their life there. Surely the Muqadassian state is not willing to tear the lives of so many families apart..?"

"Thank you for your testimony." Said Mr. Campbell.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“I understand where you are coming from, but Muqaddasia did not force them to become Muqaddasis: we have the Europeans a choice between returning to Europe and becoming Muqaddasis.”

[Azmeny]

“I understand where you are coming from, but Muqaddasia did not force them to become Muqaddasis: we have the Europeans a choice between returning to Europe and becoming Muqaddasis.”

“Well, that is of course more sensible. I still don’t view it as correct however. We shall try to be lenient, and reasonable. I do however, disapprove of such an unfair blanket policy. Many innocent families have no doubt been affected.”

[Gabeonia]

"Now let's talk about Marajarbia. They stated 'Should the European Federal Union not remove the sanctions or comply with Muqaddasia’s demands, all citizens of the EFU present within Marajarbian territory, including any and all colonies, will be arrested and subject to similar treatment or outright deportation.' That does suggest that Marajarbia would also detain and deport European citizens unless they forfeit their European citizenship. We are awaiting Marajarbia's testimony."

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“I understand where you are coming from, but Muqaddasia did not force them to become Muqaddasis: we have the Europeans a choice between returning to Europe and becoming Muqaddasis.”

“Well, that is of course more sensible. I still don’t view it as correct however. We shall try to be lenient, and reasonable. I do however, disapprove of such an unfair blanket policy. Many innocent families have no doubt been affected.”

“As I said before, exceptions will be made for those who have problems or difficulties.”

[Southeast Marajarbia]

"Now let's talk about Marajarbia. They stated 'Should the European Federal Union not remove the sanctions or comply with Muqaddasia’s demands, all citizens of the EFU present within Marajarbian territory, including any and all colonies, will be arrested and subject to similar treatment or outright deportation.' That does suggest that Marajarbia would also detain and deport European citizens unless they forfeit their European citizenship. We are awaiting Marajarbia's testimony."

OOC: My testimony will come on Saturday. As I said before, I’m way too OOCly busy this week, so I’m only able to post whenever I can, which in this case will be on Saturday.

[Gabeonia]

"Now let's talk about Marajarbia. They stated 'Should the European Federal Union not remove the sanctions or comply with Muqaddasia’s demands, all citizens of the EFU present within Marajarbian territory, including any and all colonies, will be arrested and subject to similar treatment or outright deportation.' That does suggest that Marajarbia would also detain and deport European citizens unless they forfeit their European citizenship. We are awaiting Marajarbia's testimony."

OOC: My testimony will come on Saturday. As I said before, I’m way too OOCly busy this week, so I’m only able to post whenever I can, which in this case will be on Saturday.

OOC: That's fine.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

OOC: My testimony will come on Saturday. As I said before, I’m way too OOCly busy this week, so I’m only able to post whenever I can, which in this case will be on Saturday.

OOC: That's fine.

OOC: Thanks.

[Greater Marine]

“I understand where you are coming from, but Muqaddasia did not force them to become Muqaddasis: we have the Europeans a choice between returning to Europe and becoming Muqaddasis.”

"We acknowledge this, but nonetheless, you are forcing them to choose between banishment or renouncing their nationality. You do realise that this is not entirely correct, and may violate international law? We understand that you are angry, and rightly so, but the EFU doing such things does not validate your nation's actions."

[Bernskia]

“I understand where you are coming from, but Muqaddasia did not force them to become Muqaddasis: we have the Europeans a choice between returning to Europe and becoming Muqaddasis.”

“Well, that is of course more sensible. I still don’t view it as correct however. We shall try to be lenient, and reasonable. I do however, disapprove of such an unfair blanket policy. Many innocent families have no doubt been affected.”

"Yes."

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“I understand where you are coming from, but Muqaddasia did not force them to become Muqaddasis: we have the Europeans a choice between returning to Europe and becoming Muqaddasis.”

"We acknowledge this, but nonetheless, you are forcing them to choose between banishment or renouncing their nationality. You do realise that this is not entirely correct, and may violate international law? We understand that you are angry, and rightly so, but the EFU doing such things does not validate your nation's actions."

“As I have said before, spies were in our midst. We had to go to extreme measures to protect ourselves and our citizens.”

[European Federal Union]

"We admit to having send spys into Muqaddasia..... but not the way they present it. To prove our point i recieved the allowance to releash the following docuent from my government which has been send to the secret services"

"snipy dipy"

IC:In response to this the EFU announced to evacuate a unspecified group of European individuals from the two countries.
SIC: Within the comming weeks members of the European secret services of multiple diffrient ethnicities begun a effort to infiltrate Muqaddasia and Marajarbia through 3rd party countries using foreign passports and papers. The agents that manage to enter the countries have been ordered to use supplies smuggled in through the local black market and by Naval special forces and submarines to find the specific individuals and smuggle them back into Europe

"The spys send have been used to bring people back home into the EFU as the spys having been send after the conflict started"

[Greater Marine]

"We acknowledge this, but nonetheless, you are forcing them to choose between banishment or renouncing their nationality. You do realise that this is not entirely correct, and may violate international law? We understand that you are angry, and rightly so, but the EFU doing such things does not validate your nation's actions."

“As I have said before, spies were in our midst. We had to go to extreme measures to protect ourselves and our citizens.”

"Rationale has nought to do with it. The problem here is is the action proportionate to the cause? I suggest your government may feel free to then implement anti-spying measures: stop and search, curfews, martial law, increased police presence, and increased security around information, or looking for people with EFU government/military ties. We recognise that spying is a threat to your nation, as it is to ours. But, this action is completely disproportionate to the cause, and infringes on basic civil liberties and international laws. It is an abuse of power, and a clear breach of the charter, to writ: "the CSL is to uphold democratic values and human rights in its action and ideals." As you know, the charter is a binding document. Deliberately failing to or refusing to uphold the charter violates the basic rules under which nations are allowed into this alliance. We will not go as far as to reccomend expulsion, but legally speaking, this is very dangerous, as I'm sure you're aware. Remember, this court has substantial powers vested in it, and it would not be wise to test them."