2500: A new colonialism (OOC/AH/Signups)

[The Manticoran Empire]

D-did you just insult FAP? again? prepare for the ultimate shreking

Ah, yes. It seems he did. But no worries, my impression is that he has heavy income inequality, meaning he has a very fragile economy indeed. All it would take is a communist revolution to weaken him a little~

Yada yada yada. They tried that shit before. Rome will endure. The Gods Will It.

If I must, I can relocate my entire civilization to the outer most edges of the system. Out of reach of you on Earth. Or I can make a move out of the Sol System, colonize a new star system.

[Free Asian Ports]

Ah, yes. It seems he did. But no worries, my impression is that he has heavy income inequality, meaning he has a very fragile economy indeed. All it would take is a communist revolution to weaken him a little~

Yada yada yada. They tried that shit before. Rome will endure. The Gods Will It.

If I must, I can relocate my entire civilization to the outer most edges of the system. Out of reach of you on Earth. Or I can make a move out of the Sol System, colonize a new star system.

Please, do

[Crockerland]

Oy, piss off. My money is worth more than yours, it would seem, since they are well built, though yes, I do like slave labor. It is cheap and effective.

D-did you just insult FAP? again? prepare for the ultimate shreking

When your nation's abbreviation is "fap", going on the warpath every time someone insults it will bankrupt you within months.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Yada yada yada. They tried that shit before. Rome will endure. The Gods Will It.

If I must, I can relocate my entire civilization to the outer most edges of the system. Out of reach of you on Earth. Or I can make a move out of the Sol System, colonize a new star system.

Please, do

If I do, that will just make it harder for you to defeat me. With no one to impede my construction of military spacecraft, I can build thousands of them. And then Sol will be mine.

[Free Asian Ports]

D-did you just insult FAP? again? prepare for the ultimate shreking

When your nation's abbreviation is "fap", going on the warpath every time someone insults it will bankrupt you within months.

Which is why I don't

Doing so would be childish. If anything, the intent was for people to laugh.

No, I don't get uppity about it. But people underestimating me, on the other hand, is something else entirely.

[Gyrenaica]

D-did you just insult FAP? again? prepare for the ultimate shreking

Ah, yes. It seems he did. But no worries, my impression is that he has heavy income inequality, meaning he has a very fragile economy indeed. All it would take is a communist revolution to weaken him a little~

And there are like 10 billion living under socialism on earth so...

[Gyrenaica]

Please, do

If I do, that will just make it harder for you to defeat me. With no one to impede my construction of military spacecraft, I can build thousands of them. And then Sol will be mine.

Relocate billions of people? Buahahahaha. Bullshit

[Esgonia]

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Name: The Warsaw-Prague protocol Strategic Coalition
Flag (use a spoiler if it's over 250px):
Population: 113,400,000
Territory (if fictional):
Earth: Belarus, Poland, Czechoslovakia
Mars: Boreum, parts of the North Pole, parts of Arcadia

Head of Government: Grigoriy Pasternak
History: Shortly after the end of WWII in early 1946, the Polish, instead of being integrated into the Eastern Bloc, resisted the Soviet occupation, which following the events also sprung similar uprisings in the nations of Czechoslovakia, and Belarus, in which they had managed to achieve victory with alleged support from the Allies.
(TBA)
Head of State*: Same as HoG
Number of Soldiers: 682.000
Number of Ships: 305
Number of Tanks: 3,145
Number of Spacecraft: ~20 (12 combat ships, 8 research/exploration vessels)
Religion: Atheism
Language: Polish, English, Czech

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Name: The Kagesai Cooperative
Flag (use a spoiler if it's over 250px):
Population: 764 Million
Territory (if fictional):
Earth: Korean Peninsula, Japan
Mars: Several large colonies situated on the right of the map
Head of Government: Chairman Kyung Hwan
History: One of the first mega corporations in earth's history, the Kagesai Cooperative was the result of a merger between several of the largest corporations in SK and Japan following China's economy's rough period in the mid to late 21st century. With the absorption of a weak North Korea by a South Korean led coalition back during the Korean War, there was much more space for the Cooperative to expand resulting in rapid industrial growth during the 2100s.

Consolidating their assets and gaining more control over their nations governments, they soon encountered a problem. Following rampant population growth and unsupervised immigration, space was starting to run out in each of the small nations. To the Chairman of the Cooperative there was only one path they could take, using the nearly requisitioned assets purchased from a skyrocketing Chinese space program, the newly formed Kagesai Aeronautics began construction on an elevator that would take the Kagesai Cooperative to new heights. With the governments of each nation thoroughly grateful and thus, around the cooperatives finger, the two nations were effectively absorbed by the Super Corporation. Using rare materials from Africa, the space elevator was finally finished, greatly reducing the costs of launching things into space and giving the Cooperative a foothold into the interstellar competition.

With the launch of the Corporations first lunar and martian missions, the Cooperative had become the first privately owned company to land on another extraterrestrial body. As the first colonies on the moon and mars got underway, the company realised the need for a force to protect itself. Long being the leader in A.I projects and robotics, the Cooperative had soon fabricated itself an army. With more and more people moving to the colonies and additional space elevators being constructed, the Cooperative has started expanding further and further away from our planet to exploit the plentiful resources to be had at places such as Mercury, Jupiter and the Asteroid belt.
Head of State*: Chairman Kyung Hwan
Number of Soldiers: 11 million light drone models, 300,000 Security Personnel
Number of Ships: Around 70 ships in the Kagesai trade defence fleet
Number of Tanks: Around 14000 Heavy Drone unit models
Number of Spacecraft: 50 Ships of varying models
Religion: Secular
Language: English, Korean, Japanese

Both accepted

Thanks ^_^
Welp, better get plannin'

[Plzen]

The current cost of bringing a corpse to Low Earth Orbit is on the order of a million dollars. Even assuming a productivity and efficiency increase of two orders of magnitude, you're still looking at half a year's productivity to relocate a country to LEO.

Oh, and you need to restructure your entire production system to have that big a focus on space travel.

Oh, and if you're bringing live people instead of corpses, you also need to pay for either life support or cryogenic tanks.

Oh, and an extrasolar colony is a lot further away than LEO.

Oh, and you also have to haul your entire industrial base up there, not just people.

All things considered, I'd say that's centuries of total dedication you're talking about here.

[Rygondria]

was i accepted

[Crockerland]

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Name: The Goldberg Mining and colonization corporation
Flag (use a spoiler if it's over 250px): http://cliparts.co/cliparts/rcj/yd4/rcjyd4dcR.jpg
Population:I would say about 500 million on their colonies as a whole
Territory (if fictional): Corporate Headquarters located in Hamburg,New York,And Shanghai with large colonies in the southern half of Venus and outposts in the northern island like area in mars,they also have vested interest in mercury where they are setting up settlements for both colonization and mining along with mining outposts on the asteroid belt
Head of Government Francis Goldberg
History: The Corporation was formed in the 1990s as a aeronautics corporation with interests in creating cheaper and more effective space travel and future mining and colonization of the planets of mars and venus. For thirty years Goldberg experimented with a variety of different space craft in hopes of achiving cheaper and more effective travel. In 2022 there first manned space craft the orion orbited the moon being one of the first private space corporations to do so. In 2122 a mining outpost was established in the asteroid belt,as soon as that occurred the company was renamed to the Goldberg Mining and colonization Corporation or as some people know them the Goldberg Conglomerate. With a influx of funds the ceo Joseph Goldberg the third bought out the Trapani mining firm and there claims on mineral rights on Venus. Over the the next three hundred years the Goldbergs ran there company as a private country while extending there reach over Venus,Eventually they began to establish small outposts on Mars,and a massive colonization effort on mercury. There current ceo Francis Goldberg is left at an impass between trying to extend there influence on mars or invest whole heatedly on colonizing mercury itself,He also needs to secure the colonies on Venus from those who would want to size the colony.
Head of State*: Francis Goldberg
Number of Soldiers: 3 million security officers and drones.
Number of Ships: No Water based ships besides about 15 on mars and 12 on venus
Number of Tanks: 15,000
Number of Spacecraft:12
Religion:Since it is a corporation it does not have an official religion but in the colonies there are atheists,Christians,Taoists,Muslims, Jews,and a variety of other religious groups.
Language: A mixture of English,Arabic,Chinese,Hebrew,And German.

Accepted.

[Arvenia]

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Name: United Federation of Austronesia
Flag (use a spoiler if it's over 250px): Flag of UFA
Population: 1.2 Billion
Territory (if fictional): Australia
Head of Government: Prime Minister John McKibben
History: Australia and New Zealand united in 1990 to become Austronesia. The UFA gave Aborigines civil rights in 2000. Papua New Guinea got into war with Indonesia in 2020, so in 2080, the UFA helped PNG and defeated Indonesia. PNG got ING the same year and joined UFA in 2100. In 2200, the UFA set up several bases on Mars and Venus. The UFA became a superpower, both militarily and economic. The current PM of UFA is a Scientologist.
Head of State*: Same as above
Number of Soldiers: 2,000,000 (1,000,000 humans and 1,000,000 androids)
Number of Ships: 200 naval ships
Number of Tanks: 500
Number of Spacecraft: 100
Religion: Christianity, Buddhism, Atheism, UFO Religion, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Scientology
Language: English and other languages

App done!

[Stralend]

Is it realistic for me to add another moon or two to Neptune? Scientists currently believe Neptune has more moons than we currently know of. It would be a medium sized moon with a very icy surface mainly made out of frozen helium and nitrogen + various rocks. If any of you have ever read the Forever War by Joe Haldeman, its like Charon from that book.

[Plzen]

Is it realistic for me to add another moon or two to Neptune? Scientists currently believe Neptune has more moons than we currently know of. It would be a medium sized moon with a very icy surface mainly made out of frozen helium and nitrogen + various rocks. If any of you have ever read the Forever War by Joe Haldeman, its like Charon from that book.

If you want some, the Kuiper Belt is full of such useless frozen rocks that nobody wants.

And they're not that much further away than Neptune.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Is it realistic for me to add another moon or two to Neptune? Scientists currently believe Neptune has more moons than we currently know of. It would be a medium sized moon with a very icy surface mainly made out of frozen helium and nitrogen + various rocks. If any of you have ever read the Forever War by Joe Haldeman, its like Charon from that book.

Steal one of Uranus's.

[Plzen]

Any thoughts on the Stockholm-class?

It's certainly not as big as those huge things the Romans are designing. But then again, it doesn't have to be. Weapons in space are generally one hit one kill, so I think quantity will definitely overpower quality.

[Free Asian Ports]

Any thoughts on the Stockholm-class?

It's certainly not as big as those huge things the Romans are designing. But then again, it doesn't have to be. Weapons in space are generally one hit one kill, so I think quantity will definitely overpower quality.

Looks like a decent boat. I added my own ship for comparison. Mine is a bit more reliant on unguided solid shot weapons. While less accurate, guns still are cheaper to fire while having a higher rate of fire than missiles. In space, there aren't atmospheric conditions to affect a shot trajectory. With a good fire control AI, a gun will be spot on a stationary target, and even against accelerating ones depending on the maneuver.

[Gyrenaica]

Is it realistic for me to add another moon or two to Neptune? Scientists currently believe Neptune has more moons than we currently know of. It would be a medium sized moon with a very icy surface mainly made out of frozen helium and nitrogen + various rocks. If any of you have ever read the Forever War by Joe Haldeman, its like Charon from that book.

Steal one of Uranus's.

I actually only have one. And I don't need to steal it as it was never taken.

[Plzen]

Any thoughts on the Stockholm-class?

It's certainly not as big as those huge things the Romans are designing. But then again, it doesn't have to be. Weapons in space are generally one hit one kill, so I think quantity will definitely overpower quality.

Looks like a decent boat. I added my own ship for comparison. Mine is a bit more reliant on unguided solid shot weapons. While less accurate, guns still are cheaper to fire while having a higher rate of fire than missiles. In space, there aren't atmospheric conditions to affect a shot trajectory. With a good fire control AI, a gun will be spot on a stationary target, and even against accelerating ones depending on the maneuver.

My concern with solid-shot, really, was effective range. Guided missiles can track accelerating targets, whereas solid shot cannot. Solid-shot also has a lot of recoil, which depending on the size of the ship and the rate of fire could be crippling or no problem at all.

Kinetic missiles, of course, have the unfortunate limitation of minimum range, because they need space to accelerate, but close combat is what "Carolus" missiles are for.

I'll try to put up design specs for the Narvik-class up tomorrow. Basically the same stuff as a Stockholm, but with a one-shot laser(s) for first response and a bit more point defense (I seriously doubt their efficiency, however).

[The Manticoran Empire]

Any thoughts on the Stockholm-class?

It's certainly not as big as those huge things the Romans are designing. But then again, it doesn't have to be. Weapons in space are generally one hit one kill, so I think quantity will definitely overpower quality.

I'm not sure you can fit so many missiles on it but OK. Just remember, my ships are 100% built in space. They have thick armor to protect against physical impacts and the armor is also designed to resistant thermal shock from energy weapons.

(don't bug me on the energy weapons. You guys have cold fusion, I can have my lasers.)

[Free Asian Ports]

Looks like a decent boat. I added my own ship for comparison. Mine is a bit more reliant on unguided solid shot weapons. While less accurate, guns still are cheaper to fire while having a higher rate of fire than missiles. In space, there aren't atmospheric conditions to affect a shot trajectory. With a good fire control AI, a gun will be spot on a stationary target, and even against accelerating ones depending on the maneuver.

My concern with solid-shot, really, was effective range. Guided missiles can track accelerating targets, whereas solid shot cannot. Solid-shot also has a lot of recoil, which depending on the size of the ship and the rate of fire could be crippling or no problem at all.

Kinetic missiles, of course, have the unfortunate limitation of minimum range, because they need space to accelerate, but close combat is what "Carolus" missiles are for.

I'll try to put up design specs for the Narvik-class up tomorrow. Basically the same stuff as a Stockholm, but with a one-shot laser(s) for first response and a bit more point defense (I seriously doubt their efficiency, however).

Well, my DDGs do mass more, and have very strong maneuvering thrusters for high maneuverability, so the recoil of the guns shouldn't be a problem. I'm also considering one-shot high-power lasers for my light cruisers as a kind of anti-ship weapon (like slicing butter with a hot knife), but they rely on power cells that are used up, take on the excess thermal energy, and are ejected once used.

Any thoughts on the Stockholm-class?

It's certainly not as big as those huge things the Romans are designing. But then again, it doesn't have to be. Weapons in space are generally one hit one kill, so I think quantity will definitely overpower quality.

I'm not sure you can fit so many missiles on it but OK. Just remember, my ships are 100% built in space. They have thick armor to protect against physical impacts and the armor is also designed to resistant thermal shock from energy weapons.

(don't bug me on the energy weapons. You guys have cold fusion, I can have my lasers.)

Okay, but I don't think that armor is thick enough to stop some kinetic attacks completely. Especially higher velocity stuff.

[The Manticoran Empire]

My concern with solid-shot, really, was effective range. Guided missiles can track accelerating targets, whereas solid shot cannot. Solid-shot also has a lot of recoil, which depending on the size of the ship and the rate of fire could be crippling or no problem at all.

Kinetic missiles, of course, have the unfortunate limitation of minimum range, because they need space to accelerate, but close combat is what "Carolus" missiles are for.

I'll try to put up design specs for the Narvik-class up tomorrow. Basically the same stuff as a Stockholm, but with a one-shot laser(s) for first response and a bit more point defense (I seriously doubt their efficiency, however).

Well, my DDGs do mass more, and have very strong maneuvering thrusters for high maneuverability, so the recoil of the guns shouldn't be a problem. I'm also considering one-shot high-power lasers for my light cruisers as a kind of anti-ship weapon (like slicing butter with a hot knife), but they rely on power cells that are used up, take on the excess thermal energy, and are ejected once used.

I'm not sure you can fit so many missiles on it but OK. Just remember, my ships are 100% built in space. They have thick armor to protect against physical impacts and the armor is also designed to resistant thermal shock from energy weapons.

(don't bug me on the energy weapons. You guys have cold fusion, I can have my lasers.)

Okay, but I don't think that armor is thick enough to stop some kinetic attacks completely. Especially higher velocity stuff.

I agree. But the impact alone could be enough to jar some internal systems, which is why warships would include inertial dampners, to prevent impact trauma to their critical systems.

[Free Asian Ports]

Well, my DDGs do mass more, and have very strong maneuvering thrusters for high maneuverability, so the recoil of the guns shouldn't be a problem. I'm also considering one-shot high-power lasers for my light cruisers as a kind of anti-ship weapon (like slicing butter with a hot knife), but they rely on power cells that are used up, take on the excess thermal energy, and are ejected once used.

Okay, but I don't think that armor is thick enough to stop some kinetic attacks completely. Especially higher velocity stuff.

I agree. But the impact alone could be enough to jar some internal systems, which is why warships would include inertial dampners, to prevent impact trauma to their critical systems.

Yup, everything in acceleration rigs. Not to mention the environmental control compensating for some of the jarring.

[Plzen]

Any thoughts on the Stockholm-class?

It's certainly not as big as those huge things the Romans are designing. But then again, it doesn't have to be. Weapons in space are generally one hit one kill, so I think quantity will definitely overpower quality.

I'm not sure you can fit so many missiles on it but OK. Just remember, my ships are 100% built in space. They have thick armor to protect against physical impacts and the armor is also designed to resistant thermal shock from energy weapons.

(don't bug me on the energy weapons. You guys have cold fusion, I can have my lasers.)

Remember Rick Robinson's First Law of Space Combat?

Lasers can melt through any kind of armour really really fast, and kinetic weapons can do it even faster.

I don't think you can defend against kinetic missiles - or lasers, for that matter - without using absurdly thick armour that will cripple spacecraft performance.

Seriously. We're talking about something comparable to a good nuke here.

The Stockholm-class has such thin armour, because against 50x 30mm lasers (which you say you will have on your new warship), it's not going to matter very much whether my armour is 27mm or 270mm. One good volley of lasers and the Stockholm is space wreck.

I will also add that if you expect to fire your lasers more than once, you'll also need to have good radiators, that - forget space lasers - a good general infantry grenade will punch through. Then again, one round of lasers is probably enough anyways.

Just a note on the missiles, the "Arctic Storm" and the "Odin" is basically a big sensor on a rocket. Maybe 3m long, if even that.

[The Manticoran Empire]

I'm not sure you can fit so many missiles on it but OK. Just remember, my ships are 100% built in space. They have thick armor to protect against physical impacts and the armor is also designed to resistant thermal shock from energy weapons.

(don't bug me on the energy weapons. You guys have cold fusion, I can have my lasers.)

Remember Rick Robinson's First Law of Space Combat?

Lasers can melt through any kind of armour really really fast, and kinetic weapons can do it even faster.

I don't think you can defend against kinetic missiles - or lasers, for that matter - without using absurdly thick armour that will cripple spacecraft performance.

Seriously. We're talking about something comparable to a good nuke here.

The Stockholm-class has such thin armour, because against 50x 30mm lasers (which you say you will have on your new warship), it's not going to matter very much whether my armour is 27mm or 270mm. One good volley of lasers and the Stockholm is space wreck.

I will also add that if you expect to fire your lasers more than once, you'll also need to have good radiators, that - forget space lasers - a good general infantry grenade will punch through. Then again, one round of lasers is probably enough anyways.

Just a note on the missiles, the "Arctic Storm" and the "Odin" is basically a big sensor on a rocket. Maybe 3m long, if even that.

As far as my lasers, stop that argument, ok? Cold Fusion isn't even really possible right now. It is in this 26th century. Bugger off the improbabilities of lasers for now. If the range is long enough, a KEW can be detected and either destroyed or knocked off course. One of the reasons for point defense weapons in science fiction. Now yes, a laser is going to just burn through anything with enough power and a KEW, if it hits and is going fast enough, is gonna make your day go south really fast. Which is why ships would be compartmentalized. If the hull is breached, bulkheads would automatically seal to keep the atmosphere inside, where it needs to be. Space battles will be like Jutland, almost.

Though, personally, I like the Honorverse idea of space combat. Hell, I may just reboot my whole naval force.