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by New Chilokver » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:46 pm
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by The United Remnants of America » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:50 pm
New Chilokver wrote:It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if the Ausitorians sent an armed naval convoy through anyway.
by Krjder » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:11 pm
Nation Type: Direct Democratic Federal Monarchy
Capital: Aastejk
Population: 480,670,500
Current Leadership:
-Emperor Anton IV
-Realm Chancellor Atsūjiri Gyēzashiri
Military:
-1,560,000 Active
-4,750,000 Reserves
by Valaran » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:13 pm
Krjder wrote:I actually don't know why I bothered... making Gleursmo and Operation Meltdown. They've been completely ignored and I pit time aside when I should have been studying. It just pisses me off that all that ever happens here now is arguments rather than anything productive.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Flardania » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:15 pm
Krjder wrote:I actually don't know why I bothered... making Gleursmo and Operation Meltdown. They've been completely ignored and I pit time aside when I should have been studying. It just pisses me off that all that ever happens here now is arguments rather than anything productive.
by Krjder » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:45 pm
Nation Type: Direct Democratic Federal Monarchy
Capital: Aastejk
Population: 480,670,500
Current Leadership:
-Emperor Anton IV
-Realm Chancellor Atsūjiri Gyēzashiri
Military:
-1,560,000 Active
-4,750,000 Reserves
by New Chilokver » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:54 pm
About User Hong Kong-Australian Male Pro: Yeah Neutral: Meh Con: Nah | | [1] | [2] | [3] | [4] | [5] | [HOI I - Peacetime conditions] Head of Government: President Sohum Jain Population: 195.10 million GDP (nominal): $6.39 trillion Military personnel: 523.5k IIWiki | There is no news. | | Other Stuff
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by Aravea » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:59 pm
by Krjder » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:00 pm
New Chilokver wrote:wtf
go and take your self promised break from ns deian
Nation Type: Direct Democratic Federal Monarchy
Capital: Aastejk
Population: 480,670,500
Current Leadership:
-Emperor Anton IV
-Realm Chancellor Atsūjiri Gyēzashiri
Military:
-1,560,000 Active
-4,750,000 Reserves
by Krjder » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:01 pm
Aravea wrote:Deian please stay out of this and go on your promised break. Anyways Krdjer it is perfectly understandable as to why you would have such an outburst, especially given the recent arguments. Truth be told I am at a similar point myself. So here is what I propose we cease escalating the conflict be it through ooc insults or ic actions etc and instead focus on Operation Meltdown. Or do we need to waste yet another three weeks on this frankly pathetic topic?
Nation Type: Direct Democratic Federal Monarchy
Capital: Aastejk
Population: 480,670,500
Current Leadership:
-Emperor Anton IV
-Realm Chancellor Atsūjiri Gyēzashiri
Military:
-1,560,000 Active
-4,750,000 Reserves
by Krjder » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:05 pm
Deian salazar wrote:New Chilokver wrote:wtf
go and take your self promised break from ns deian
Also, did you even read what I wrote before saying that?
I'm not raging or anything in that post-I'm explaining the five main alliance systems, and detailing why they work or don't work, and highlighting the facts why I think the IFC isn't working.
Nation Type: Direct Democratic Federal Monarchy
Capital: Aastejk
Population: 480,670,500
Current Leadership:
-Emperor Anton IV
-Realm Chancellor Atsūjiri Gyēzashiri
Military:
-1,560,000 Active
-4,750,000 Reserves
by Flardania » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:07 pm
Krjder wrote:Aravea wrote:Deian please stay out of this and go on your promised break. Anyways Krdjer it is perfectly understandable as to why you would have such an outburst, especially given the recent arguments. Truth be told I am at a similar point myself. So here is what I propose we cease escalating the conflict be it through ooc insults or ic actions etc and instead focus on Operation Meltdown. Or do we need to waste yet another three weeks on this frankly pathetic topic?
Thank you for understanding, though I prefer to hold myself to higher emotional standards..
by Great Feng » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:08 pm
Krjder wrote:Deian salazar wrote:Also, did you even read what I wrote before saying that?
I'm not raging or anything in that post-I'm explaining the five main alliance systems, and detailing why they work or don't work, and highlighting the facts why I think the IFC isn't working.
Just read your sig...
How can you be an agnostic Christian?
by Krjder » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:10 pm
Nation Type: Direct Democratic Federal Monarchy
Capital: Aastejk
Population: 480,670,500
Current Leadership:
-Emperor Anton IV
-Realm Chancellor Atsūjiri Gyēzashiri
Military:
-1,560,000 Active
-4,750,000 Reserves
by Krjder » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:12 pm
Great Feng wrote:
It's...really a long story. Involving Satanism(THE ATHEISTIC KIND NOT DEMON WORSHIPING ONE!), my ex, debates with her on Christianity and the like, and me eventually coming to believe a lot of her beliefs but still my Christian ones, and also the belief of a possibility of a God through not the Bible, but reason and logic, but also accepting the possibility of him not existing, which I have been told is the literal definition of Agnostic. Yet I still have faith in God through the Bible so...
It's really complicated.
Nation Type: Direct Democratic Federal Monarchy
Capital: Aastejk
Population: 480,670,500
Current Leadership:
-Emperor Anton IV
-Realm Chancellor Atsūjiri Gyēzashiri
Military:
-1,560,000 Active
-4,750,000 Reserves
by Aravea » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:13 pm
Deian salazar wrote:New Chilokver wrote:wtf
go and take your self promised break from ns deian
Also, did you even read what I wrote before saying that?
I'm not raging or anything in that post-I'm explaining the five main alliance systems, and detailing why they work or don't work, and highlighting the facts why I think the IFC isn't working.
by New Chilokver » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:18 pm
Deian salazar wrote:New Chilokver wrote:wtf
go and take your self promised break from ns deian
Also, did you even read what I wrote before saying that?
I'm not raging or anything in that post-I'm explaining the five main alliance systems, and detailing why they work or don't work, and highlighting the facts why I think the IFC isn't working.
About User Hong Kong-Australian Male Pro: Yeah Neutral: Meh Con: Nah | | [1] | [2] | [3] | [4] | [5] | [HOI I - Peacetime conditions] Head of Government: President Sohum Jain Population: 195.10 million GDP (nominal): $6.39 trillion Military personnel: 523.5k IIWiki | There is no news. | | Other Stuff
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by Great Feng » Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:05 pm
I agree entirely with everything said, even that bits I deleted.Aravea wrote:Deian salazar wrote:Also, did you even read what I wrote before saying that?
I'm not raging or anything in that post-I'm explaining the five main alliance systems, and detailing why they work or don't work, and highlighting the facts why I think the IFC isn't working.
Deian the IFC is crumbling simply because none of the membership can agree upon its direction or its ultimate purpose.
by Aeyariss » Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:40 pm
Deian salazar wrote:-The second, is the complete reverse of the first: a Dictatorship, and what I see as SACTO's model, though, there are some differences to SACTO's system as it is unique, and thus this is more a general overview. While not that good at preserving democracy within an alliance's structure(Though it depends on the dictator or group and the other facets, as there are exceptions to the rule), it allows quick and efficient responses and results in a more unified command structure that is not hampered by arguments as the first one is, as the dictator can squash squabbling with his or her authority. However, it's not all dictating everything-The so called dictator has to ensure members of his alliance are happy, without letting sides develop. This creates a more single party, single minded alliance that can work more efficiently towards it's goals, at the cost of a large democratic system(Though exceptions can be made to the general rule. Specific beats General).
as the leader of such an alliance needs to be able to appeal to the wants and needs of the general group whilst keeping order through use of both diplomacy and authority. It can also fail if the leader is a total and complete imbecile, indecisive, or incompetent in key areas, making so only the most talented or skilled can run this type effectively.
by The Lendol Archipelago » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:49 am
Aravea wrote:Deian salazar wrote:Also, did you even read what I wrote before saying that?
I'm not raging or anything in that post-I'm explaining the five main alliance systems, and detailing why they work or don't work, and highlighting the facts why I think the IFC isn't working.
Deian the IFC is crumbling simply because none of the membership can agree upon its direction or its ultimate purpose. Simply put there are two to three factions within the membership. There is one faction that wishes to keep IFC as loose military alliance/humanitarian alliance similar to NATO wherein its ultimate purpose is to defend the interests of its members, while at the same time wishing to avoid having officials or other members of the IFC "infringe" on their sovereignty. In contrast the second faction seems to want closer political, economic, and military integration similar to that of the European Union, whereas the third faction consists of those who either want to keep the status quo or a mix of the best elements of both. The arguments up to now are simply symptoms of the root cause of differences in what direction the IFC should take. So thus we are at an impasse...What do we want the IFC to be? Do we want a simple military and humanitarian alliance or do we desire an EU esque body? Or do we want somethng in the middle? Anyways I am done ranting so onto the next order of business. Tell me would any of you guys be up for that cultural summit?
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:41 am
Krjder wrote:I actually don't know why I bothered... making Gleursmo and Operation Meltdown. They've been completely ignored and I pit time aside when I should have been studying. It just pisses me off that all that ever happens here now is arguments rather than anything productive.
New Chilokver wrote:So far as I can see, Crippling IFC Issue No 429 is a result of Inyursta blocking Ausitorian shipping through their claimed waters. This isn't some jackshit about people RPing differently or respecting what they've already drawn up on a map, it's a genuine territorial dispute and something to be ICly debated instead of endlessly spammed here.
In real life, the universally recognized UN standard for territorial waters stands at twelve nautical miles, though there are certain nations such as Somalia which bring that up to 200 nautical miles. However, there is and will never be a true UN organization of NS due to the sheer amount of nations on II (which lets me get away with all sorts of WMD warfare and enhanced interrogation ). Equally, we can't RP if we don't have common rules and gentlemen's agreements between us- for the sake of this post, I'd estimate the most commonly agreed upon upper limit for naval borders as a nation's underwater continental shelves. If there was a scale on IYF's map, I don't remember it and underwater geological features certainly weren't, ahem, featured. In the end, it depends more on how many nations recognize those territorial claims that makes them substantial.
There are 3 main goals in the IFC- global security and stability, the enforcement of basic civil rights and liberties and finally, the growing development and prosperity of other nations through international trade. I doubt IYF's actually broken any of the resolutions, but what he's doing is certainly in flagrant violation of their spirit. It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if the Ausitorians sent an armed naval convoy through anyway.
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by Libraria and Ausitoria » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:43 am
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by The Lendol Archipelago » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:47 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Anyway, I'm fed up with these arguments interfering with IFC internal business. This topic is meant to be for the IFC. IFC members, can we agree to make this topic IFC only?
by Singaporean Transhumans » Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:05 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Anyway, I'm fed up with these arguments interfering with IFC internal business. In the past month I've had to spend about 95% of my time on this thread responding to SACTO - one if the reasons why I'm simply giving up on them. This topic is meant to be for the IFC. IFC members, can we agree to make this topic IFC only?
by Organized States » Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:55 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Anyway, I'm fed up with these arguments interfering with IFC internal business. In the past month I've had to spend about 95% of my time on this thread responding to SACTO - one if the reasons why I'm simply giving up on them. This topic is meant to be for the IFC. IFC members, can we agree to make this topic IFC only?
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