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by Stormwrath » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:59 pm
by Klemantan-Borneo » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:03 pm
by Cerillium » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:47 pm
Klemantan-Borneo wrote:
Subject: Multi-Species Union Peacekeeping Force
Dear MSU Peacekeeping Liasion Officer,
We would like to inform you that we will be adding 5 Air Force Squadron's which consist of one Long-Range Transport Squadron, two Aircraft Transport Squadron and two Helicopter Aircraft Transport Squadron, in which the total personnel will be 1,500. Also, we will include a company of Military Police which consists of 150 personnel. In total, the extra personnel is 1,550 personnel.
The reason why is to enable logistics in terms of air are established especially if the peacekeeping operations are in remote areas and also to replenish MSU Peacekeeping forces supplies during peacekeeping operations. The Military Police in the other hand is sent over to establish order especially military traffic during peacekeeping operations and to guard peacekeeping force's base of operations.
SIGNED:
DPM
-Field Marshal David Peterson Marks-
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by Cerillium » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:51 pm
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by Klemantan-Borneo » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:26 pm
Cerillium wrote:Klemantan-Borneo wrote:
Subject: Multi-Species Union Peacekeeping Force
Dear MSU Peacekeeping Liasion Officer,
We would like to inform you that we will be adding 5 Air Force Squadron's which consist of one Long-Range Transport Squadron, two Aircraft Transport Squadron and two Helicopter Aircraft Transport Squadron, in which the total personnel will be 1,500. Also, we will include a company of Military Police which consists of 150 personnel. In total, the extra personnel is 1,550 personnel.
The reason why is to enable logistics in terms of air are established especially if the peacekeeping operations are in remote areas and also to replenish MSU Peacekeeping forces supplies during peacekeeping operations. The Military Police in the other hand is sent over to establish order especially military traffic during peacekeeping operations and to guard peacekeeping force's base of operations.
SIGNED:
DPM
-Field Marshal David Peterson Marks-
-snip-
by Oaledonia » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:02 am
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by Primordial Luxa » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:50 am
Oaledonia wrote:Given the nature of NS, It's absurdly silly that we don't have a rapid response force.
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by Oaledonia » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:52 am
Primordial Luxa wrote:Oaledonia wrote:Given the nature of NS, It's absurdly silly that we don't have a rapid response force.
Ive given the organization 3 DEiMOS's you would be hard pressed to find a faster reaction force of such caliber.
At least in the Ft setting in the other techs we might need something more mobile.
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by Primordial Luxa » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:06 am
Oaledonia wrote:Primordial Luxa wrote:Ive given the organization 3 DEiMOS's you would be hard pressed to find a faster reaction force of such caliber.
At least in the Ft setting in the other techs we might need something more mobile.
You shouldn't be the only one donating. It's an obvious conflict of interest.
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Monfrox wrote:But it's not like we've known Prim to really stick with normality...
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by Swith Witherward » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:36 am
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by Cerillium » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:52 pm
Oaledonia wrote:Given the nature of NS, It's absurdly silly that we don't have a rapid response force.
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by Primordial Luxa » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:05 pm
Cerillium wrote:Oaledonia wrote:Given the nature of NS, It's absurdly silly that we don't have a rapid response force.
1. What is the purpose of the force?
2. What tech level will it be?
3. Who commands it?
4. Who manages all the logistics for it? Where is it headquartered?
5. Does it go into operation prior to the Congress' vote? If so, who issues that order?
For the record, the MSU does not have 3 DEiMOS. Primordial's nation possesses them and controls them and may elect to use them should a mission require it, but they remain his nation's property and under his command unless it is a joint mission where the other nation is in command (then the equipment remains in his control but he may or may not be ordered to use it). The same goes for any and all resources (troops and equipment) "donated" by other nations. We do not have a standing military. The MSU does not have resources in its inventory.
The UN are peace keepers and peace enforcers. Earth is a small world and most of the major nations are part of the UN or recognize the UN's authority. The MSU is a small drop in a very large bucket, few of our nations are powerful enough to throw their weight around on a cosmic scale (mine certainly can't) and no one recognizes MSU authority. We are not capable of being peace enforcers. Attempting to do so would make us into bullies without a supportive gang. We can only serve as peace keepers until such time that we become a recognized (and supported) agency within the cosmic community.
Swith Witherward wrote:But I trust the people here. Well, except Prim. He has shifty eyes but his cute smile make up for it.
Monfrox wrote:But it's not like we've known Prim to really stick with normality...
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by Oaledonia » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:25 pm
Cerillium wrote:1. What is the purpose of the force?
2. What tech level will it be?
3. Who commands it?
4. Who manages all the logistics for it? Where is it headquartered?
5. Does it go into operation prior to the Congress' vote? If so, who issues that order?
For the record, the MSU does not have 3 DEiMOS. Primordial's nation possesses them and controls them and may elect to use them should a mission require it, but they remain his nation's property and under his command unless it is a joint mission where the other nation is in command (then the equipment remains in his control but he may or may not be ordered to use it). The same goes for any and all resources (troops and equipment) "donated" by other nations. We do not have a standing military. The MSU does not have resources in its inventory
The UN are peace keepers and peace enforcers. Earth is a small world and most of the major nations are part of the UN or recognize the UN's authority. The MSU is a small drop in a very large bucket, few of our nations are powerful enough to throw their weight around on a cosmic scale (mine certainly can't) and no one recognizes MSU authority. We are not capable of being peace enforcers. Attempting to do so would make us into bullies without a supportive gang. We can only serve as peace keepers until such time that we become a recognized (and supported) agency within the cosmic community.
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by Oaledonia » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:30 pm
Primordial Luxa wrote:If at the end of the day were all just going to command our own forces then why not just have any willing nation commit to peacekeeping when needed rather than keeping a list of units that dont really mean anything.
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by Cerillium » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:31 pm
Primordial Luxa wrote:
If the donated forces arent maintained and bound to the MSU then whats the point of donating?
If at the end of the day were all just going to command our own forces then why not just have any willing nation commit to peacekeeping when needed rather than keeping a list of units that dont really mean anything.
Are we treating this like a small organization? I was under the impression that we are the entire galaxies version of UN.
We might be small compared to NS but we have several dozen nations and could treat ourselves as a RP world/galaxy/whatever. If we want to RP with other groups we could always say their from one galaxy over or something.
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by Oaledonia » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:37 pm
Cerillium wrote:Nation X needs bridges built and wells dug after a truce has been called between Nation X and Nation Y. The MSU agrees to send engineers to do the work for the betterment of the war-ravaged people. My Velox Brigade Combat Forces are in close proximity to Nation X. I pledge an engineer company (three engineer mobility platoons and one mobility support platoon) as well as units designed to sustain that company over a duration of time. My officers remain in charge of the operations on site but the orders come down the MSU chain of command. I'm not going to pledge that engineer company without good reason; I need them as part of my normal force. It might be a joint operation if my other units are committed elsewhere but the engineers need further support.
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by Cerillium » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:43 pm
Oaledonia wrote:snip
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by Primordial Luxa » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:50 pm
Oaledonia wrote:Primordial Luxa wrote:If at the end of the day were all just going to command our own forces then why not just have any willing nation commit to peacekeeping when needed rather than keeping a list of units that dont really mean anything.
You are grossly underestimating the amount of time it takes to realistically assemble a working force.
Oaledonia wrote:Cerillium wrote:Nation X needs bridges built and wells dug after a truce has been called between Nation X and Nation Y. The MSU agrees to send engineers to do the work for the betterment of the war-ravaged people. My Velox Brigade Combat Forces are in close proximity to Nation X. I pledge an engineer company (three engineer mobility platoons and one mobility support platoon) as well as units designed to sustain that company over a duration of time. My officers remain in charge of the operations on site but the orders come down the MSU chain of command. I'm not going to pledge that engineer company without good reason; I need them as part of my normal force. It might be a joint operation if my other units are committed elsewhere but the engineers need further support.
Politically, since FT "follows the same algorithms", I would complain wildly about political conflicts of interest. How will your engineering company being in command of the site effect the political climate of nation X? How does that interfere with my nation's interests? Will I be threatened by this? You need at least 3 nations there, and some of them need to be representative of my political interests.
This is the key Capstone Doctrine idea. I thought you researched the UN Peacekeeping? If you did, then you would know why there's always more then one nation.
Cerillium wrote:Oaledonia wrote:snip
Let's get to the point. The MSU is a handful of a few players. Our setting is borrowed space (2 rooms) on a space station. We are still working to set things up. We still have people unhappy with the charter; they want to make changes. We're about to reveal a new setting but it keeps cycling back to the OOC and "donated troops".
Let's go back to the beginning. Neither of you were here for it. We have several members that can not belong to any alliance that has a standing military or engages in war.
"That's an egregious conflict of interest and I'm ashamed in this alliance (well, actually, only you) for not allowing this to be rectified." Nice flame. You claim to understand Japanese culture and be very knowledgeable of it therefore you must certainly realize that what you've just said is an absolute insult.
Oale, this isn't NS Hetalia. You can't bully your way around here. After that insult, you are no longer worth my attention. I believe Swith is your CIS Rep. You can pass things along through her.
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Monfrox wrote:But it's not like we've known Prim to really stick with normality...
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by Oaledonia » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:55 pm
Cerillium wrote: You claim to understand Japanese culture and be very knowledgeable of it
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by Cerillium » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:56 pm
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by Oaledonia » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:08 pm
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by Tiltjuice » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:10 pm
Cerillium wrote:Prim, people aren't donating those things. It's been nothing but combat forces for the most part.We'veno, strike that, I asked people if they'd be willing to donate some police forces to keep the current HQ safe just to start with. No response. Nobody seems willing to donate just 10 men.
I've attempted to outline how this will all work but you and Min and Urran are the only ones who have taken the time to respond in the Congress thread. I was looking for some common ground in order to expand on how the chain of command and other things will work. I've delayed posted there in the hope that others would chime in. So far, nothing posted.
by Primordial Luxa » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:11 pm
Cerillium wrote:Prim, people aren't donating those things. It's been nothing but combat forces for the most part.We'veno, strike that, I asked people if they'd be willing to donate some police forces to keep the current HQ safe just to start with. No response. Nobody seems willing to donate just 10 men.
I've attempted to outline how this will all work but you and Min and Urran are the only ones who have taken the time to respond in the Congress thread. I was looking for some common ground in order to expand on how the chain of command and other things will work. I've delayed posted there in the hope that others would chime in. So far, nothing posted.
Swith Witherward wrote:But I trust the people here. Well, except Prim. He has shifty eyes but his cute smile make up for it.
Monfrox wrote:But it's not like we've known Prim to really stick with normality...
P2TM wrote:HORROR/THRILLER Winner - Community Choice Award For Favorite Horror/Thriller Player: Primordial Luxa
by Cerillium » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:23 pm
Tiltjuice wrote:Cerillium wrote:Prim, people aren't donating those things. It's been nothing but combat forces for the most part.We'veno, strike that, I asked people if they'd be willing to donate some police forces to keep the current HQ safe just to start with. No response. Nobody seems willing to donate just 10 men.
I've attempted to outline how this will all work but you and Min and Urran are the only ones who have taken the time to respond in the Congress thread. I was looking for some common ground in order to expand on how the chain of command and other things will work. I've delayed posted there in the hope that others would chime in. So far, nothing posted.
Same question as a while back...are outsiders/observers permitted to contribute?
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by Primordial Luxa » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:38 pm
Cerillium wrote:Tiltjuice wrote:
Same question as a while back...are outsiders/observers permitted to contribute?
Forces: That's a grey area. I'd say "no" at first blush because an observer isn't bound by membership to an alliance.
IC Dialog/Politics: Yes. Observers are permitted to speak before Congress and can weigh in on issues or bring issues to light. They don't have a vote however.
@Prim. Ah. Misunderstandings all around!
Right now I believe the only security or police forces present are those belonging to the congress members or other representatives. We don't have a dedicated police force for the HQ property/interior. Would be nice if we could get a few people to put together something. Perhaps overt and covert mixed?
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