Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:13 pm
As the defendant has refused IFC aid, I see no reason to interfere in the conflict unless requested in future. Case closed?
Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
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Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:"To the Prime Minister, I say this:" said Alexias, knowing that he was almost more popular after being fired than he had been before, and rather enjoying the moment.
"Did you honestly think that a ceasefire would work without someone saying that they would be severely displeased if people broke it? Obviously your policy needed some diplomatic support if it was to have any chance of working; so the Ausitorian Foreign Policy Office independently and separately fleshed out your demand for a ceasefire. And when my departure was rumoured, everybody realized that your policy had nothing to back it up with.
Since my departure, we have seen everybody testing the will of the IFC all at once. Throughout Elemental North's dictatorial rule we have seen members leave. Why? Because we have a leader who refuses to accept different opinions or tolerate dissent, and thinks that an iron hand and discipline is the way to run an alliance.
And, as we are seeing, it is not. The IFC does not need a personality cult. It does not need obedience. It needs freedom to accept different viewpoints.
One viewpoint that our Prime Minister obviously did not accept is Si vis pacem, para bellum: If you want peace, prepare for war; and negotiate from a position of strength, with firm beliefs in your convictions. And obviously in the midst of a crisis we are not prepared for war; and obviously that is why SACTO is laughing at us.
So what we must do, and what we must do very quickly; is get organized. The whole crux of the issue is the question of order. We varyingly accuse Elemental North of being a dictator in our alliance and failing to ensure international order abroad. What Elemental North or any future Prime Minister must realize is if this alliance is to thrive is that to ensure international order we do not need an exclusive order at home, where everybody without your opinion has to shut up or leave. What you need is a more inclusive order, a larger structure, which includes all who are tolerant. With that order you can go out and battle intolerance as a large powerful group, full of energy and ideas, like we used to be. For us to have order, we must have people who want to be inside that order; and they must be sufficiently numerous and energetic to keep that order safe from external threats."
New Carloso wrote:"The Federal Republic of Carloso votes Aye on number one and venomously says Aye on number two and would encourage other countries to follow suit."
New Carloso wrote:Zunkwentania wrote:"We wish to ask why you vote this way on SACTO."
"Mr. Zarder, if you haven't noticed, a member of this alliance is under attack by SACTO. A defiant, coordinated reaction is needed by this alliance if we are to be considered a mutual defence pact. We have two choices here... face SACTO in a once off, potentially bloody conflict. Or, we could become the laughing stock of the world where nobody takes us seriously."
Argentarino wrote:"Esteemed members. As of now, our entire military has been put on the defensive. Our entire Navy was sunk at port, several of our air defenses and air bases have been targeted and damaged to the point where they are no longer effective, and we are dealing with a war against Cuscatlani sponsored, funded, and armed terrorists within the Kingdom. For now, though, we will not call on the RRF, as doing so would, in the opinion of His Majesty, escalate the paranoia of the SACTO leaders even more so. We are willing to make do with what we have, and those resources provided to us by allies. However, if there is consensus within the government that our defenses will not hold and the possibility of occupation is high, then we will call on the IFC to authorize the RRF to take immediate action."
New Carloso wrote:Argentarino wrote:"Esteemed members. As of now, our entire military has been put on the defensive. Our entire Navy was sunk at port, several of our air defenses and air bases have been targeted and damaged to the point where they are no longer effective, and we are dealing with a war against Cuscatlani sponsored, funded, and armed terrorists within the Kingdom. For now, though, we will not call on the RRF, as doing so would, in the opinion of His Majesty, escalate the paranoia of the SACTO leaders even more so. We are willing to make do with what we have, and those resources provided to us by allies. However, if there is consensus within the government that our defenses will not hold and the possibility of occupation is high, then we will call on the IFC to authorize the RRF to take immediate action."
"What I mean to say is that, in the event where the defences of Argentarino are effectively destroyed, war must follow."
New Carloso wrote:Zunkwentania wrote:"We wish to ask why you vote this way on SACTO."
"Mr. Zarder, if you haven't noticed, a member of this alliance is under attack by SACTO. A defiant, coordinated reaction is needed by this alliance if we are to be considered a mutual defence pact. We have two choices here... face SACTO in a once off, potentially bloody conflict. Or, we could become the laughing stock of the world where nobody takes us seriously."
New Carloso wrote:Argentarino wrote:"Esteemed members. As of now, our entire military has been put on the defensive. Our entire Navy was sunk at port, several of our air defenses and air bases have been targeted and damaged to the point where they are no longer effective, and we are dealing with a war against Cuscatlani sponsored, funded, and armed terrorists within the Kingdom. For now, though, we will not call on the RRF, as doing so would, in the opinion of His Majesty, escalate the paranoia of the SACTO leaders even more so. We are willing to make do with what we have, and those resources provided to us by allies. However, if there is consensus within the government that our defenses will not hold and the possibility of occupation is high, then we will call on the IFC to authorize the RRF to take immediate action."
"What I mean to say is that, in the event where the defences of Argentarino are effectively destroyed, war must follow."
Zunkwentania wrote:New Carloso wrote:"Mr. Zarder, if you haven't noticed, a member of this alliance is under attack by SACTO. A defiant, coordinated reaction is needed by this alliance if we are to be considered a mutual defence pact. We have two choices here... face SACTO in a once off, potentially bloody conflict. Or, we could become the laughing stock of the world where nobody takes us seriously."
"While your statement rings true, the delegation from Argentarino has actively expressed its wish for no IFC intervention, and diplomacy should come before bloody war."
OOC: I'm a bit confused, so if Zarder's statement is false, tg me.
New Carloso wrote:Zunkwentania wrote:"While your statement rings true, the delegation from Argentarino has actively expressed its wish for no IFC intervention, and diplomacy should come before bloody war."
OOC: I'm a bit confused, so if Zarder's statement is false, tg me.
"SACTO is a threat to all of us, Zarder. Eventually, they will attack another IFC nation. We must crush the weed before it has the chance to spread and... to ell you the truth... I'd prefer an alliance with the UL over SACTO."
Mizrad wrote:Mizrad will vote "AYE" on both topics. The Mizradian delegation would also wish to know that if war against SACTO were to occur, if a Mizradian force could be present in the conflict due to national interest and security.
New Carloso wrote:Zunkwentania wrote:"While your statement rings true, the delegation from Argentarino has actively expressed its wish for no IFC intervention, and diplomacy should come before bloody war."
OOC: I'm a bit confused, so if Zarder's statement is false, tg me.
"SACTO is a threat to all of us, Zarder. Eventually, they will attack another IFC nation. We must crush the weed before it has the chance to spread and... to ell you the truth... I'd prefer an alliance with the UL over SACTO."
Zunkwentania wrote:New Carloso wrote:"SACTO is a threat to all of us, Zarder. Eventually, they will attack another IFC nation. We must crush the weed before it has the chance to spread and... to ell you the truth... I'd prefer an alliance with the UL over SACTO."
"I would also prefer that, Davies, but intervention first is not the answer. We haven't even conducted proper talks with SACTO yet."