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by Chrinthanium » Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:18 pm
by Amerique » Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:23 pm
Chrinthanium wrote:Amerique wrote:
If we're still doing the Pacific Island RP, my claim was for French Polynesia as an American state named Insí MacAdaim (MacAdams Islands in English, Îles MacAdams in French) with Samoa (Samoa and American Samoa) and Tonga as independent republics under explicit American military protection since their liberation in the Great War. If French Polynesia would cause an issue, I would request the Hawaiian Islands as Insí Haváís with Mokupuni o Hawai‘e in brackets beside. The main concept behind this is to have a state of the American Republic as a halfway point between the trading city-state of Phucket and the North American markets but also as a base for operations in the Asia-Pacific theater which was involved in fighting during the Pacific War against Japan. I had originally gone for French Polynesia as it could have been acquired as a colony earlier by American privateers due to its proximity to the Magellan Strait to the Atlantic (and indeed historically, the Americans arrived and claimed the Marquesas Islands as the "Washington Islands" in 1791 and again in 1813. With Hawai'i, the history I wrote earlier could just be pushed forward to the 19th century and not be a conquest of war, but rather the result of a battle of influence over the local King with the Walmingtonians until the negotiations at the end of the Détente War arranged for American influence to take hold with agreements against any further American maritime expansionism against British spheres of influence and the criminalization of cross-border Fenian raids from the American Republic into British North America which had occurred before the Détente War.
I was thinking New York would instead have been changed to Nua Eabhrac in Gaelic after the Revolution with "Nouvelle-Évorque" as the principal American French name to reflect the Celtic origins of the placename York. I'll come up with a list of city names or a more in-depth map of national subdivisions some time later. As well, Les Azures in the Mid-Atlantic would just have a (Insí Dúghorm) beside the name to reflect the bilingual nature.
Oh, about the Roman colonies, just a small note as I don't really know Latin but I think that Insulae would go first in the names of the island chains, as I believe it is that way in most Romance languages.
I'll start with the last note first....
The language would have gone through changes in 2,000 years. That, and there were references by Pliny to the "Canariae Insulae" in that order, so I just rolled with it. I suppose in AMW, Latin can be what I want it to be within some logical reasoning
Regarding American place names, I went with what I saw in your factbook. So, that's where they all came from. If you're changing some things around, I'd be happy to update your place names with any list your furnish either in here or through TG. That's easy to do.
Now, French Polynesia. I'm not entirely sure what your claims are in the Pacific and, as evidenced by the change internally, your factbook is out of date. So anything I went by when deciding what to take came from the lack of claims currently listed in factbooks (this is why I have, from time to time, put out the call for factbook updated-ness). This being said, and I am one to verify before I speak these days, after a careful search through the threads, Amerique is correct that he added French Polynesia as per this post from 2012 and somehow I missed than when looking through here for what I could claim. Thus, I will strike them from the Roman Empire which is pretty easy since I just wrote the factbook post earlier today.
Now, of course this makes me wonder what the Romans could claim instead in the Pacific Ocean as a spring board to San Diego. I suppose we could just use the Bahamas, involve ourselves in the Gulf States, then into California, but I believe that wouldn't exactly jive with Ian's history. It appears to be a landing-and-subsequent-Catholic-Mission-run-amok scenario. So, since Mod already has French Polynesia as I pointed out, and he went either/or on Hawaii, I think I'd like to make Hawaii a Roman Province. A hard and fast claim on Hawaii, that is. Not for RPing a scenario in the Pacific, but the spring board of the Roman influence in North America. All it takes is redirecting Magellan a few thousand miles towards Hawaii instead of other locales he visited IRL and it's an early enough entry point to San Diego.
by Chrinthanium » Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:27 pm
Amerique wrote:Chrinthanium wrote:
I'll start with the last note first....
The language would have gone through changes in 2,000 years. That, and there were references by Pliny to the "Canariae Insulae" in that order, so I just rolled with it. I suppose in AMW, Latin can be what I want it to be within some logical reasoning
Regarding American place names, I went with what I saw in your factbook. So, that's where they all came from. If you're changing some things around, I'd be happy to update your place names with any list your furnish either in here or through TG. That's easy to do.
Now, French Polynesia. I'm not entirely sure what your claims are in the Pacific and, as evidenced by the change internally, your factbook is out of date. So anything I went by when deciding what to take came from the lack of claims currently listed in factbooks (this is why I have, from time to time, put out the call for factbook updated-ness). This being said, and I am one to verify before I speak these days, after a careful search through the threads, Amerique is correct that he added French Polynesia as per this post from 2012 and somehow I missed than when looking through here for what I could claim. Thus, I will strike them from the Roman Empire which is pretty easy since I just wrote the factbook post earlier today.
Now, of course this makes me wonder what the Romans could claim instead in the Pacific Ocean as a spring board to San Diego. I suppose we could just use the Bahamas, involve ourselves in the Gulf States, then into California, but I believe that wouldn't exactly jive with Ian's history. It appears to be a landing-and-subsequent-Catholic-Mission-run-amok scenario. So, since Mod already has French Polynesia as I pointed out, and he went either/or on Hawaii, I think I'd like to make Hawaii a Roman Province. A hard and fast claim on Hawaii, that is. Not for RPing a scenario in the Pacific, but the spring board of the Roman influence in North America. All it takes is redirecting Magellan a few thousand miles towards Hawaii instead of other locales he visited IRL and it's an early enough entry point to San Diego.
Ah, that line of reasoning re: French Polynesia certainly does make sense. If it was claimed for the Imperial crown by Ferdinand Magellan, and the claim maintained by the Romans, it would certainly makes sense that Magellan would hit French Polynesia first after crossing the Straits of Magellan in around where British Patagonia is right now. Perhaps it would be best for me to switch to Hawaii as the American colony came much later during the Victorian Age and wouldn't require the urgency of French Polynesia while providing the same purpose of increasing battles of influence with the British in the 19th century and, especially with the American funding of the Zion Canal, a base of operations against the Japanese in the 20th and a halfway point to Drapol later. You are free to claim French Polynesia, of course. As far as the placenames go, it was not to be a rebuke but just as requests for name changes in light of differences from the old factbook, you're more than right in using the factbook as a reference point where none else existed. Thanks, Chrin.
EDIT: I would actually be interested in a character RP, lol.
by Chrinthanium » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:14 pm
by Chrinthanium » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:31 pm
by Nova Gaul » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:12 am
by Nova Gaul » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:48 am
by Jatriqya and Hoya » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:59 am
Nova Gaul wrote:This may well be geopolitical, but the fact is I am basically unable to RP at all, even building an economic RP, without subtle threats of war. And I haven't so much as fired a shot.
by Walmington on Sea » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:40 am
by Chrinthanium » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:47 pm
by Nova Gaul » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:54 pm
by United Kongo » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:11 pm
by Chrinthanium » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:33 pm
by Kyr Shorn » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:48 pm
by Chrinthanium » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:58 pm
by Nova Gaul » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:16 pm
Chrinthanium wrote:Actually, you know what, NG?
Don't retcon a damn thing. AMW is interconnected and nations are going to respond in their own way. What has been bugging me in this whole thing is the fact that you didn't get the response you wanted and so now you're going to do the very NG thing and stop, probably disappear until such time as your nation CTE's, then come back again and reapply asking if we'll have you back and all that. You created this, this is how things have happened, and you should have to find your own way out of it. You don't like the way it turned out? Then find a way to fix that in-character rather than crying foul.
by Nova Gaul » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:45 pm
by Chrinthanium » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:02 am
Nova Gaul wrote:I should add Chrin that if AMW as a whole -not just you- says that my proposal to reduce my holdings and become more isolationist as I outlined above isn't possible, then I will proceed ahead as things stand. But I had an honest issue I wanted to discuss with the community that at a real level affected my nation simulation with the community, and I felt it was fair for me to do so. My only mistake was I should have put a notice in my first post about this "If the community will let me, x then y."
And from the beginning I said I had no intention whatsoever of doing all those things you presuppose I will. That's a good example of what I mean about the OOC becoming IC, which is why I made the remark about your two countries in the first place.
I just wanted to discuss an issue, and now that I've said my piece, I'll abide by what AMW decides.
by The Amyclae » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:35 am
by Chrinthanium » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:17 pm
by Nova Gaul » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:03 pm
by Chrinthanium » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:08 pm
Nova Gaul wrote:That’s sweet Max, love you too. Kiss kiss. You’re right too, of course.
Well Chrin you made some good points, but I think I made a few as well. And I think that it was okay for me to bring up my thoughts. And I just want to be absolutely clear; it was never about me not getting what I wanted or the fear of that not happening. As the ‘bad guys’ in AMW can attest, and Lord knows Max stood alone against the world with the Areos, it can be exhausting and frustrating.
No joke, it’s hard when you start an economic RP and the world unites against it. It just is. It’s hard when you want to do a small scale military RP, but are shot down before you can do it and enter into a conflict in a whole other order of magnitude that you never intended to enter. But the point you made about interconnectivity is true Chrin, and just because it is a lot of work and frustration on my end (and let’s be honest here, I am being the bad guy) is no valid reason for me to say “Okay, I’m going into the shell again.’ And also, for the record, and I want to be clear about this as well (because I have more baggage than anyone in AMW) I never intended my recent RPs to go down this road, i.e. start a conflict, the type of which I’ve been lambasted for in the past. It just happened.
So, I don’t apologize for bringing up the discussion point. I think I had a valid point to discuss. And I thank you all for your comments, so sweeter and some more pungent than others. I know I come across as a prima donna sometimes, but from the bottom of my heart I promise this was never about a tantrum or a CTE threat. It was just to discuss how frustrating it is to have the world line up in opposition, and try to cope with responding to it all, despite the fact that the opposition makes perfect sense.
And also, I was being selfish, because if it was just my puppet then that’s one thing, but apparently other nations—even nations hostile to Japan—want to continue down this line of RP. So then, let’s keep it going and see just where this road takes us to, realistic as it is. Thank you all for hearing me out.
by Nova Gaul » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:38 pm
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