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Crystal Spires
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Postby Crystal Spires » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:53 am

The Outskirts of Merlon by Azohuorah
The Beastling States of Crystal Spires

7:00AM Mystrian Central Standard Time


The warm fog had hardly begun to lift in the early morning on Lake Azohuorah. The word meant "Blue Starsea" in the ancient tongue, which made it rather fitting as the lake seemed to always reflect the blue skies and was deep and still through most of the day. How he loved to spend his time when he was home going to the water's edge and wading, smelling the cool mist that rose from the surface. He would on occasion go fishing, finding himself usually unlucky and returning home after a good rest in his small boat. Sleep was something he rarely got as he spent all his days and nights in the cold empty cloisters in the High Council. However it was times like these that he would spend lazily in his home of Merlon among his family and at peace. The peace however was short lived as he knew that a politician's work was never done, and a Knight Templar's life's ambition was to work until he was cold, dead, and cast to sea with passage to the sacred realm. This didn't seem to bother him, as a devout Forntian, he was happy at the hopes that he would spend his whole life devoted to public service.

This however meant that even this time at home was merely because it was doctor's orders, and he was expected to take his time and "rest" which to this politician it meant "No rigorous activity" not what the doctor really meant which was to not work. Preposterous was the very thought in the storkii's mind as he ruminated on the idea of not working merely because of health! No, this merely meant that he needed to work specifically on diplomatic relations from home, which meant he would invite his comrades and strike up alliances and deals from his home and prepare for his return to the High Council as soon as possible. This was the way that Maven Auryn, the High Chancellor of Crystal Spires thought, and it was important to him to make sure that he never let up, never allow himself to fall to apathy and exhaustion. No, as the person to lead his nation, he needed to be ahead of every motion in the swerving rifts and tides of change. And as he waded upon Azohuorah he could feel the current shift with a smile.

Dawn... he thought as he felt the mist clear up hailing the dawning sun. "A new day is breaking."

He stepped out of the water and walked to his home as he rolled his trousers down and entered his home preparing letters on his writing desk, as he felt gentle arms wrap around him from behind.

"Mevɛn, l'kontru? Lɔi sɑjk nɑ?" the woman said in a gentle voice from behind him. Her long hair fell below her waist starting from a white color and becoming a deep pink at the ends. Her eyes were a deep violet color gently looking at Maven with concern as the skin from her hand, with the tender touch of a flower petal, brushed across his cheek.

"'kontrujar, kɑt͡su ndu ɑzohuorɑɑ t͡so glɑ dven."He said gently to the lady as she leaned her head on his wings and looked at his desk.

" Glɑ dven t͡so d'vorgen?" She said as she pointed at the letters with a rather cross look on her face. She would not be lied to.

"ɛɛh...hɛfk sɛj, hɑrt scrɑ vorgen, t͡so lejanu kɑmmerɑɑd ran tɑnɑɑ d'ɲoru." He said with an embarrassed look and she then looked delighted.

"Maj sɛj ɛh? Dɑn torno sibɑl!" She said as she went to the kitchen and pulled out confectioner's sugar and began to fluff and make frosted sweet cakes.

He wrote a letter to Lykosia, proposing a meeting for tea with young Regal Charmer, wishing to help make him feel welcome in the brutal world of politics, he wrote Snöhof Vildvindsdottir asking if she could come alone to visit her sick friend, he asked for young Mystria to give her a proper welcome, and wrote Bentus Arcadius asking for an important meeting all to be discussed in Maven's home in Merlon over a spot of tea. Nothing made Maven feel more at ease than to have a good bit of tea to soothe the unease in his mind.

I can't be weak, I can't show even a moment of weakness, for wolves linger on the corner of every false smile, and I must be ever vigilant choosing my comrades wisely. he thought as he sent the letters out.

"Maven, are you alright? Where were you?"

"I am alright, I went at dawn to Azohuorah, to see the lake."

"For what purpose do you need letters to see the lake?"

"Well, 'tis a lie, I was writing the letters to invite friends over to our home."

"Is that so? I'll make some sweets."





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This is the OOC Thread, and to introduce the Revolution in Carceno. To Sign Up you need to preemptively declare a side, and a REASON for siding with whom. Loyalties may shift normally in play, but there must be an honest and legitimate reason for siding with the Carcenoans on either side.

Side1: Carcenoan Loyalists
Side2: Carcenoan Rebels

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[b]Siding with which Group:[/b]

[b]Reason for Siding with this Group:[/b]

[i]why is this reason important to your nation?:[/i]

[b]Reason for Opposing the other group:[/b]

[i]why is this reason important to your nation?:[/i]


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Postby Lubyak » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:05 am

Country name: Dominion of the Lubyak
Siding with which Group: Carceno Loyalists

Reason for Siding with this Group: By securing the power of the current leadership of one of the nations in Mystria,the Dominion hopes to gain a foothold in the region of Mystria, and create a state that will challenge Crystal Spires for regional supremacy. The presence of a strong opposition state to their strategic flank should make Crystal Spires limit its attempts to project power into Pony Lands.

Additionally, opening up Lubyakan influence in Carceno creates a potential new market for Lubyakan products. Even if the Carceno government does not come around to a full anti-Spirean position, the Dominion hopes to begin spreading Lubyakan influence in Mystria, and potentially opening Mystria to Lubyakan corporations.

why is this reason important to your nation?: By Limiting Spirean power projection into Pony Lands, the Dominion seeks to secure its own regional supremacy in the region.

Reason for Opposing the other group: A communist victory in Carceno will have the opposite effect. Spirean control and power in Mystria will increase, leading Crystal Spires to be able to devote more resources to projecting their military power into Pony Lands proper.

In addition, a communist nation would be unlikely to support the spread of Lubyakan influence for ideological reasons. Similarly, they woul be unlikely to open themselves up to Lubyakan corporate expansion for similar ideological reasons.

why is this reason important to your nation?: Additional Spirean influence in Pony Lands is not something that the Dominion desires, espescially given repeated Spirean success in coalition building. While Spirean forces are pre-occupied with other matters, the Dominion feels that it is only a matter of time before Crystal Spires decides to try and form a coalition to act in direct opposition to Dominion interests. Stopping this from happening is our number one priority.
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Postby Urmanian » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:23 am

Country name: The Greater Pony Herd
Siding with which Group: Carceno Loyalists

Reason for Siding with this Group: To curb the spread of Spirean influence and gain a loyal friendly state in the Mystrian region that could, by itself or through proxy, challenge Crystal Spires' dominance in the region and hinder its ability to project power.

why is this reason important to your nation?: Crystal Spires is considered a dangerous contender for influence in Pony Lands and among CoPS-affiliated nations and it is believed that it's only a matter of time before Crystal Spires would take some sort of action or an outright wide-eyed idealist crusade against the GPH. Gaining overall influence in the Mystrian region is also considered somewhat of a priority.

Reason for Opposing the other group: A successful communist revolution in Carceno would give CS, instead of the GPH, a loyal friendly state that would bolster its power-projecting ability and only ensure its dominance in the region.

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why is this reason important to your nation?: See above; Crystal Spires is considered a dangerous contender for influence in Pony Lands and among CoPS-affiliated nations and it gaining further influence, resources and power-projecting ability is against the GPH's interests.
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Postby Crystal Spires » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:46 am

Okay, I knew this would be an issue to start off with

These above reasons do not justify intervention, as Spires is not Directly involved and from an Outside Perspective Spires is Supporting the Loyalists so in order to make THAT convincing argument you'd have to side with the communists but you all are operating on OOC knowledge you don't have.

Evidence that Maven is Supporting the Loyalists
  • Carson and Maven are long-time old friends.
  • The Current Government has very beneficial relations with Spires which open trade relations and power projections to the East
  • The Current Government has deep historical ties with Spires and keeps a secure Border between Altea and Spires which protects them from Altea, and they have an interest in keeping Carceno strong for national security.
  • There is great popular support of the Loyalists, and the Loyalists have protected Civil Rights and Forntian interests
  • The Loyalists have stabilized Spirean control over the Order of the Flame.
  • Maven openly condemns the revolution publicly

Evidence that Maven is Supporting the Communists.
  • Maven is a Communist

So... all of your arguments rely on the OOC knowledge that I'm going to secretly fund and support the revolution. You need more than that, and an IC claim for supporting the CARCENOANS.
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Postby Yesopalitha » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:00 am

Just for formality's sake, would like permission in this RP although I'm not technically CoPS.
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Postby Crystal Spires » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:12 am

Yesopalitha wrote:Just for formality's sake, would like permission in this RP although I'm not technically CoPS.


Of course, I did this to keep the Rabble out.
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Postby Yesopalitha » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:20 am

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Postby Licana » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:54 am

Country name: The Republic of Licana
Siding with which Group: Carcenoan Loyalists

Reason for Siding with this Group: As forces of the legitimate (and more favourable, in Licana's eyes) government, they are the rightful rulers of the nation. In exchange for Licanan support against communist forces in the nation, it is the hope of The Republic that it will gain an ally and powerful trade partner in the Mysteria region.

why is this reason important to your nation?: The economic benefits of trade and friendship, of course.

Reason for Opposing the other group: The only reason at the moment is that they are in opposition the the more favourable and legitimate government. More reasons may arise as details of the RP become avaliable.

why is this reason important to your nation?: Licana believes that communism, like all extreme forms of government, lead to oppression and the destruction of civil rights and personal freedoms. As the legitimate government does not actively suppress either, and is not founded on extremist values, then it is the most favourable candidate for trade operations. As CoPS involvement has increased the importance of the Mysteria region, The Republic is now searching for potential allies and economic parters in the region. This conflict would give both, and possibly act as an introduction to diplomacy within the region.
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Postby The Ctan » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:01 pm

Country name: The Eternal Necrontyr Empire of The Ctan

Siding with which Group: Carceno Loyalists

Reason for Siding with this Group: Economic Interests & potential future economic interests. Carceno, like many Mystrian nations, is considered a lucrative future source of profitable exchange of goods and services.

why is this reason important to your nation?: Mystria as a region is of considerable economic importance to C'tan, and its closes ally, Menelmacar, as a current future source of Mithril, one of the most economically important substances, and few items of true scarcity at their domestic technological level other than the labour of sapient beings and land. It would be overstating it to compare it to RL interests from consumers in Oil Producing Countries, there is less of a direct need for Mithril, to be sure, but the principle is fundamentally the same, it is useful economically, magically and of course, simply for good old fashioned greed, and we are quite prepared to trade equitably for it.

Reason for Opposing the other group: None; at present, as nothing is known about them. C'tan is generally anti-communist, but is prepared to judge communists on their actions, and the rightfulness of their cause; as no reasons are known at this time for the communist revolt, no response can be predicted.

why is this reason important to your nation?: It's not, yet. It is at this time, highly unlikely that this will see a military deployment, unlikely but possible that mercenary contractors will be used (typically these are from The Freethinkers) and possible that arms or other support will be provided. Condemnations and civilian aid are most likely.


I'm also curious to see Spires' application, and why they'll be supporting the commies actually, given the historical relations.
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Postby Crystal Spires » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:05 pm

Country name: The Beastling States of Crystal Spires

Siding with which Group: Communists!

Reason for Siding with this Group: To deal a deathblow to Altea, with a full coalition of willing Leftist States. Our toppling the previous Archon failed to destroy Altean corruption because we do not believe in imperialism and so once the administration was destroyed, it left Alteans a chance to merely rebuild their theater state even if the old administration was completely destroyed. This has lead Maven to realize that the only way to make the threat non-existent is to actually make have Carceno spread Communism further eastward, which is untenable with the Oligarchic Council of Loyalists even if they too see Altea as a threat.

why is this reason important to your nation?: Well with the full destruction of Altea it will completely destroy the slave trade in the region, it will end the threat in the East and Spires can wash their hands of Imperialism leaving Altea to become a Communist republic using the contagion of revolution.

Reason for Opposing the other group: The fact that the Loyalists do not allow the will of the people to influence politics is only a minor disagreement to have with them. The BIG problem is that Altea is still thriving and the Order of the Flame and Carceno will not allow Spires to project over Altea, and most certainly will not spread the ideals of Communism or democracy to Altea even if it would destroy the Altean state.

why is this reason important to your nation?: Cantalvia is not a tenable safe passage into Altea because the Inquisitors from the Order of the Flame will not hesitate to murder Forntians who dare try to cross the borderlands. (like South Korea and North Korean, we are in a stalemate)
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Postby Yesopalitha » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:58 pm

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Postby Behntasha » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:44 pm

Country name: Oh, well... Behntasha, of course. I am the prime minister.
Siding with which Group: Group? ... oh uh, Loyalists versus Communists? Sounds familiar... In Carceno you say? Well I don't know much about either side... I'd be tempted to support the Communists personally.

Reason for Siding with this Group:
Well, neither option is good, but at least communism gives people better control over their resources...

why is this reason important to your nation?: ...I'm not quite sure why I should care one way or the other. I wouldn't be heartbroken about a Loyalist victory.

Reason for Opposing the other group: Well... uh... Kings and Queens? Wait, how oppressive ARE they?

why is this reason important to your nation?: ...I don't know. Why are you asking me this? I was invited by Maven to have some tea and talk about... SOMETHING important at his home! What kind of questions are these? Are these standard for all foreign leaders entering Crystal Spires?

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OOC: I didn't post anything I am the ghost of not correct posting.
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Postby Cantalvia » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:12 pm

Country name: The Mostly Sublime Republic of Cantalvia

Siding with which Group::Communists (fiscally and smuggled weapons *wink,wink...cloak and dagger stuffs*)

Reason for Siding with this Group:: Cantalvia strongly supports the democratic policies of the Communist rebels.

why is this reason important to your nation?:: A strong unified government that Cantalvia can work with to keep Altea at bay.

Reason for Opposing the other group: Wealthy families who may constantly bicker with one another are not a fair an equal way to represent the needs of all the beings of Carceno.

why is this reason important to your nation?: Cantalvia is a strong supporter of allowing the citizens of the nation decide who shoul rule them and not having someone lead because they happened to marry or were born into the correct family.

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Postby Yesopalitha » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:29 pm

After conferring with my fellow Mystrians, it has been determined that this will take place after the Wheel Trilogy, which is an RP that is going on right now as well. Therefore, my government's position shifts dramatically...

Country name: The Unbidden Communist Republic of Yesopalitha

Siding with which Group: The Communists

Reason for Siding with this Group:
After the events that happened in A New Day Begins (an RP that will be the third part of the Wheel Trilogy), Yesopalitha itself became a Communist Republic. Yesopalitha and its ruling council wishes to push all of Mystria towards Communism and therefore get rid of the Altean (And the Order of the Flame) threat out of the way once and for all.

why is this reason important to your nation?:
Yesopalitha now believes that the only way that the Unbidden will be safe from persecution forever will be to turn Mystria into a Communist region. They also wish to become their own entity and arise from the shadow of Crystal Spires, which has been a great friend but also kind of a protector. The ruling council believes that it is about time that the Unbidden took their place in Mystrian society, and rise and fall by their own means.

Reason for Opposing the other group:
The Loyalists simply stand in the way of making Yesopalitha safe for the Unbidden that live there. Also, any reasonable Communist Revolution will be supported by the Yesopalithan government from this point onward.

why is this reason important to your nation?:
Once Carceno becomes Communist, Yesopalithan forces can join Spirean forces in a joint mission with possible help from Carceno and Cantalvia itself to get rid of Altea and its Archon once and for all, and that is the endgame all Unbidden seek, for once the Archon and the Order of the Flame falls, Mystria will be a safe haven for any and all Unbidden, PERIOD.
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Postby Lykosia » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:11 am

Country name: Unitary Republic of Lykosia
Siding with which Group: Carceno Rebels (the Communists)

Reason for Siding with this Group: Also influenced by anti-imperialism views, Lykosia begin to leave the concept of free & active foreign policy in response to recent political developments in Pony Lands and the Coalition of Ponyist States, thus they cannot act neutral any longer in any situations.

Lykosia never regards the present government in Carceno as a favorable ally in CoPS since they opposes many of their policies. However as the revolution issue emerges, they then favors the communists rebels in the hope that they will change things in the country as the Republic supports the ideals of the communists and seeks a positive relationship with them.

why is this reason important to your nation?: Lykosia hopes that conditions in Carceno will soon change by letting and helping the communists overthrow the current government and make the country more favorable to the Republic. It will also allows Lykosia to start spreading the ideas of Democracy and Socialism in the region.

Reason for Opposing the other group: Other than the reasons given above, with a lot of precious Mithril resources, some nations iwill possibly try to dredge natural resources in Carceno if the loyalists win. The Republic is fully aware by the fact and feels obliged to prevent it as it is regarded as an act of imperialism.

why is this reason important to your nation?: A communists victory in Carceno will enable them to control their own resources and make them more independent, and limiting foreign nations' influences to themselves.

I will possibly add more when I have a chance to talk with Carceno in IRC, although I think it's enough :p
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Postby Imeriata » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:12 pm

Country name: The absolute royal federation of Imeriata and her realms
Siding with which Group: Loyalists

Reason for Siding with this Group: A half hearted attempt to stop the spread of international communism

why is this reason important to your nation?: well it is the Scanderan burden to defend civilisation when it is possible.

Reason for Opposing the other group: They are communists after all!

why is this reason important to your nation?: Communists are evil and need our help to get better just as every other foreigner you could shake a stick at.
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Postby Hippostania » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:31 am

Country name: Pony Republic of Hippostania
Siding with which Group: Loyalists

Reason for Siding with this Group: To curb the influence of evil commies in CS! We won't tolerate freedom-hating commies; at all!

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Reason for Opposing the other group: See above

why is this reason important to your nation?: Once again, see above
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Postby Crystal Spires » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:59 am

AHAHAAHAHA! Finally Hippo is in! It makes me happy!

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Postby Lubyak » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:16 am

You know...I'm realizing after talking with Bentus yesterday...

This thread is REALLY going to shake up the balance of power in Pony Lands.

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Postby Crystal Spires » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:43 am

Lubyak wrote:You know...I'm realizing after talking with Bentus yesterday...

This thread is REALLY going to shake up the balance of power in Pony Lands.


Uh huh! Yes indeed!
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Urmanian
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Urmanian » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:49 am

Lubyak wrote:You know...I'm realizing after talking with Bentus yesterday...

This thread is REALLY going to shake up the balance of power in Pony Lands.


NOT IF I CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT! DUN DUN DUUUUN~!
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Commie ponies with guns and such. One of the OG MLP nations, funnily enough I don't care for EaW pretty much at all.

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Yesopalitha » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:42 am

Urmanian wrote:
Lubyak wrote:You know...I'm realizing after talking with Bentus yesterday...

This thread is REALLY going to shake up the balance of power in Pony Lands.


NOT IF I CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT! DUN DUN DUUUUN~!

Good luck trying.
Usually what spires wants goes. :P
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Urmanian
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Urmanian » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:47 am

Yesopalitha wrote:Good luck trying.
Usually what spires wants goes. :P


http://youtu.be/PPV6MUDH_Eg?t=6s
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Commie ponies with guns and such. One of the OG MLP nations, funnily enough I don't care for EaW pretty much at all.

This nation represents the voices in my head.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Crystal Spires » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:06 pm

Don't make me hug you. :lol:

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