International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[Inyourfaceistan]

The economy during Pinochet's neoliberal reforms werre absolutely horrible. Far worse than under the previous Marxist government. He ended up veering more to the centre, and then the Chilean economy started to improve.

I didn't say a damn word about Pinochet.

All I said to do was compare Chile, arguably the most sucessful nation in South America by a multitude of measurements, and considered by very many to be one of the most neoliberal states in the world; versus Guyana, arguably the least sucessful nation in South America by a multitude of measurements and undeniably socialist.

I'm not saying that "socialism = you must fail" (at least not on here as far as IC is concerned); but don't try and smack talk neoliberalism like it's somehow going to cripple my nation...

I don't know what guns and butter means.

"Guns vs Butter" is a metaphor to explain resource scarcity.
You can either put your resources into one thing or another, and you cannot have the maximum amount of both.


My point is that Inyursta spends most of its resources in one area (defense), while less in other areas (welfare, public services*); while Ardoki seems to spend its resources in both and somehow have an expansive and top-of-the-line armed forces (from what I have seen) as well as a massive and all-inclusive welfare state.

But this is rapidly turning into a Threadjack so...

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

*sigh*

No wonder I hate chatting with you whenever it comes to OOC comments. It just continues. Continues and continues and no chiller.

Bah, I've given my two cents, I already given my "time to take a breather", I'll leave this.

This discussion was about RP - related matters .

This is more or less focusing on talking about Ardoki and less about the IFC. Thriller.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Regarding resource 'scarcity', you can always put your resources into GDP and productivity growth and then get more guns and butter as interest.

This discussion was about RP - related matters .

This is more or less focusing on talking about Ardoki and less about the IFC. Thriller.

Is anything going on in the IFC?

[Shazbotdom]

Meh
If Ardoki does accept a declaration of War, then I might be involved. Although I would like a guarantee from Ardoki that Nuclear Weaponry is OFF the table, and that he will not force an escalation to a Nuclear War. If he can guarantee that, with his written word, then I will agree to any sort of open conflict.

If he cannot guarantee that, then I will seriously debate if I do get involved. If I do, then I will utilize any nuclear weapon in my arsenal if it comes down to it.

[Flardania]

Meh
If Ardoki does accept a declaration of War, then I might be involved. Although I would like a guarantee from Ardoki that Nuclear Weaponry is OFF the table, and that he will not force an escalation to a Nuclear War. If he can guarantee that, with his written word, then I will agree to any sort of open conflict.

If he cannot guarantee that, then I will seriously debate if I do get involved. If I do, then I will utilize any nuclear weapon in my arsenal if it comes down to it.

^Pretty much exactly this view

[Novo Wagondia]

And why are we invading Ardoki again? I knew there was some conflict over religion and his general ideology, but has he done anything specifically to spark an escalation, or are we just itching for a fight and inventing one? (Not that either is right or wrong, just wondering)

[New Carloso]

And why are we invading Ardoki again? I knew there was some conflict over religion and his general ideology, but has he done anything specifically to spark an escalation, or are we just itching for a fight and inventing one? (Not that either is right or wrong, just wondering)

Casus belli: For the lolz

Or maybe because Ardoki is basically a delusionalistic state with a government which has made Nazi-like attempts to indoctrinate the people and "re-educate" anyone who doesn't tow the party line.

On another note, unless its entirely self-sufficient; which I highly doubt, I think there would be very few nations that actually do business and trade with Ardoki.

EDIT: Also there is, if it hasn't been retconned already, the millions of dead as a result of the multiple massacres perpetrated by the various Ardokian governments.

[Novo Wagondia]

And why are we invading Ardoki again? I knew there was some conflict over religion and his general ideology, but has he done anything specifically to spark an escalation, or are we just itching for a fight and inventing one? (Not that either is right or wrong, just wondering)

Casus belli: For the lolz

Or maybe because Ardoki is basically a delusionalistic state with a government which has made Nazi-like attempts to indoctrinate the people and "re-educate" anyone who doesn't tow the party line.

On another note, unless its entirely self-sufficient; which I highly doubt, I think there would be very few nations that actually do business and trade with Ardoki.

EDIT: Also there is, if it hasn't been retconned already, the millions of dead as a result of the multiple massacres perpetrated by the multiple Ardokian governments.

We're talking government-sponsored killing now? As in genocide? If so, of whom, and what happened to the perpetrators?

*readies war hammer*

[New Aeyariss]

Meh
If Ardoki does accept a declaration of War, then I might be involved. Although I would like a guarantee from Ardoki that Nuclear Weaponry is OFF the table, and that he will not force an escalation to a Nuclear War. If he can guarantee that, with his written word, then I will agree to any sort of open conflict.

If he cannot guarantee that, then I will seriously debate if I do get involved. If I do, then I will utilize any nuclear weapon in my arsenal if it comes down to it.

^Pretty much exactly this view

His ideology is enough for me to make him Nosamo 2.0.

[New Carloso]

Casus belli: For the lolz

Or maybe because Ardoki is basically a delusionalistic state with a government which has made Nazi-like attempts to indoctrinate the people and "re-educate" anyone who doesn't tow the party line.

On another note, unless its entirely self-sufficient; which I highly doubt, I think there would be very few nations that actually do business and trade with Ardoki.

EDIT: Also there is, if it hasn't been retconned already, the millions of dead as a result of the multiple massacres perpetrated by the multiple Ardokian governments.

We're talking government-sponsored killing now? As in genocide? If so, of whom, and what happened to the perpetrators?

*readies war hammer*

He killed innocent civilians in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=327853#p23201276

Killed SACTO people in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=342883

Shot down an innocent passenger aircraft here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=323937&hilit=massacre

Among others

[New Aeyariss]

We're talking government-sponsored killing now? As in genocide? If so, of whom, and what happened to the perpetrators?

*readies war hammer*

He killed innocent civilians in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=327853#p23201276

Killed SACTO people in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=342883

Shot down an innocent passenger aircraft here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=323937&hilit=massacre

Among others

Believe me, that is not even half of the list.

Human experimentation, genocide... there is everything.

[New Carloso]

He killed innocent civilians in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=327853#p23201276

Killed SACTO people in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=342883

Shot down an innocent passenger aircraft here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=323937&hilit=massacre

Among others

Believe me, that is not even half of the list.

Human experimentation, genocide... there is everything.

I think Inyursta's drawing a while back summed it up nicely.

http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/16/89/70/45/donkey10.png

[United States of Conner]

Believe me, that is not even half of the list.
Basically this.
Human experimentation, genocide... there is everything.

I think Inyursta's drawing a while back summed it up nicely.

http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/16/89/70/45/donkey10.png

[Novo Wagondia]

He killed innocent civilians in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=327853#p23201276

Killed SACTO people in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=342883

Shot down an innocent passenger aircraft here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=323937&hilit=massacre

Among others

Believe me, that is not even half of the list.

Human experimentation, genocide... there is everything.

Upon thorough examination of the evidence, we have been convinced of the aggressive, radical, and violent nature of Ardoki's government, and are committed to a cooperative effort to topple the regime and restore full freedoms to the people. However, in line with Wagain foreign policy doctrine, we believe all avenues of diplomacy must be explored first, or we are no better than them. Perhaps an ultimatum, or some other shot across the bow.

[Flardania]

Believe me, that is not even half of the list.

Human experimentation, genocide... there is everything.

Upon thorough examination of the evidence, we have been convinced of the aggressive, radical, and violent nature of Ardoki's government, and are committed to a cooperative effort to topple the regime and restore full freedoms to the people. However, in line with Wagain foreign policy doctrine, we believe all avenues of diplomacy must be explored first, or we are no better than them. Perhaps an ultimatum, or some other shot across the bow.

However this is all pending if we can even get an rp approved and set forth

[New Aeyariss]

Believe me, that is not even half of the list.

Human experimentation, genocide... there is everything.

Upon thorough examination of the evidence, we have been convinced of the aggressive, radical, and violent nature of Ardoki's government, and are committed to a cooperative effort to topple the regime and restore full freedoms to the people. However, in line with Wagain foreign policy doctrine, we believe all avenues of diplomacy must be explored first, or we are no better than them. Perhaps an ultimatum, or some other shot across the bow.

So would you consider me the enemy then? I also shot civilians, though on fall smaller scale, and that guys were mostly human shields used by local resistance formation fighting against Cuscatlani military.

Also use of various "questionable" paramilitary formations to deal with the resistance forces elsewhere, bombing of religious buildings... Yeah, I have my sins also.

Though I admit that incident happened when I was in rage caused by putting away sleep pills.

[Flardania]

Upon thorough examination of the evidence, we have been convinced of the aggressive, radical, and violent nature of Ardoki's government, and are committed to a cooperative effort to topple the regime and restore full freedoms to the people. However, in line with Wagain foreign policy doctrine, we believe all avenues of diplomacy must be explored first, or we are no better than them. Perhaps an ultimatum, or some other shot across the bow.

So would you consider me the enemy then? I also shot civilians, though on fall smaller scale, and that guys were mostly human shields used by local resistance formation fighting against Cuscatlani military.

Also use of various "questionable" paramilitary formations to deal with the resistance forces elsewhere, bombing of religious buildings... Yeah, I have my sins also.

Though I admit that incident happened when I was in rage caused by putting away sleep pills.

Sins that will take awhile for relations to improve

[Novo Wagondia]

Upon thorough examination of the evidence, we have been convinced of the aggressive, radical, and violent nature of Ardoki's government, and are committed to a cooperative effort to topple the regime and restore full freedoms to the people. However, in line with Wagain foreign policy doctrine, we believe all avenues of diplomacy must be explored first, or we are no better than them. Perhaps an ultimatum, or some other shot across the bow.

However this is all pending if we can even get an rp approved and set forth

Of course. The RP depends entirely on Ardoki's willingness

Upon thorough examination of the evidence, we have been convinced of the aggressive, radical, and violent nature of Ardoki's government, and are committed to a cooperative effort to topple the regime and restore full freedoms to the people. However, in line with Wagain foreign policy doctrine, we believe all avenues of diplomacy must be explored first, or we are no better than them. Perhaps an ultimatum, or some other shot across the bow.

So would you consider me the enemy then? I also shot civilians, though on fall smaller scale, and that guys were mostly human shields used by local resistance formation fighting against Cuscatlani military.

Also use of various "questionable" paramilitary formations to deal with the resistance forces... Yeah, I have my sins also.

Though I admit that incident happened when I was in rage caused by putting away sleep pills.

Maybe not an enemy, but ICly we have a cool relationship with your government. Not enough to warrant any kind of military action, but the tension is still relatively present. Similar to the relationship between the US and China during the late stages of the cold war, when there was still some thawing. Wagains have a history of being subject to right-wing dictatorship, so they treat fellow Latin American rightist authoritarian states warily. In all honesty, I haven't been present in enough RPs with SACTO nations to have a fully developed opinion of them (though I imagine the best possible would be lukewarm).

[United States of Devonta]

The United States of Devonta will be open to an invasion of Ardoki but only if diplomacy is exhausted.

Any invasion of Ardoki by the IFC and/or SACTO will only see a small Devontan force deployed in a supporting rule; as we are currently on the brink of a massive regional conflict and will focus most of our resources on that.

[Inyourfaceistan]

We're talking government-sponsored killing now? As in genocide? If so, of whom, and what happened to the perpetrators?

*readies war hammer*

He killed innocent civilians in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=327853#p23201276

Killed SACTO people in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=342883

Shot down an innocent passenger aircraft here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=323937&hilit=massacre

Among others

God forbid you be deemed a "homophobe"...
viewtopic.php?p=19448729#p19448729
viewtopic.php?p=19448859#p19448859

[New Aeyariss]

Maybe not an enemy, but ICly we have a cool relationship with your government. Not enough to warrant any kind of military action, but the tension is still relatively present. Similar to the relationship between the US and China during the late stages of the cold war, when there was still some thawing. Wagains have a history of being subject to right-wing dictatorship, so they treat fellow Latin American rightist authoritarian states warily. In all honesty, I haven't been present in enough RPs with SACTO nations to have a fully developed opinion of them (though I imagine the best possible would be lukewarm).

Trust me.

SACTO is not as bad as our enemies try to paint us .

[Inyourfaceistan]

Maybe not an enemy, but ICly we have a cool relationship with your government. Not enough to warrant any kind of military action, but the tension is still relatively present. Similar to the relationship between the US and China during the late stages of the cold war, when there was still some thawing. Wagains have a history of being subject to right-wing dictatorship, so they treat fellow Latin American rightist authoritarian states warily. In all honesty, I haven't been present in enough RPs with SACTO nations to have a fully developed opinion of them (though I imagine the best possible would be lukewarm).

Yeah, we were forged from counter-revolution against a socialist Soviet puppet-regime:
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=inyo ... /id=209321
So we likewise don't trust any leftists in our hemisphere...

Or any social-"democracy", nordic model imperialists trying to make us into Europe either...

[United States of Conner]

He killed innocent civilians in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=327853#p23201276

Killed SACTO people in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=342883

Shot down an innocent passenger aircraft here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=323937&hilit=massacre

Among others

God forbid you be deemed a "homophobe"...
viewtopic.php?p=19448729#p19448729
viewtopic.php?p=19448859#p19448859

For some reason I feel like being religious is all it takes to be called a homophobe in Ardoki...

[Novo Wagondia]

He killed innocent civilians in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=327853#p23201276

Killed SACTO people in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=342883

Shot down an innocent passenger aircraft here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=323937&hilit=massacre

Among others

God forbid you be deemed a "homophobe"...
viewtopic.php?p=19448729#p19448729
viewtopic.php?p=19448859#p19448859

...That's horrifying

Maybe not an enemy, but ICly we have a cool relationship with your government. Not enough to warrant any kind of military action, but the tension is still relatively present. Similar to the relationship between the US and China during the late stages of the cold war, when there was still some thawing. Wagains have a history of being subject to right-wing dictatorship, so they treat fellow Latin American rightist authoritarian states warily. In all honesty, I haven't been present in enough RPs with SACTO nations to have a fully developed opinion of them (though I imagine the best possible would be lukewarm).

Yeah, we were forged from counter-revolution against a socialist Soviet puppet-regime:
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=inyo ... /id=209321
So we likewise don't trust any leftists in our hemisphere...

Or any social-"democracy", nordic model imperialists trying to make us into Europe either...

We aren't European elitists, don't worry. While we do have an empire, it is ruled as a federation of states, with each having fair and equal representation in the legislature

[New Carloso]

He killed innocent civilians in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=327853#p23201276

Killed SACTO people in this;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=342883

Shot down an innocent passenger aircraft here;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=323937&hilit=massacre

Among others

God forbid you be deemed a "homophobe"...
viewtopic.php?p=19448729#p19448729
viewtopic.php?p=19448859#p19448859

Oh jesus what the fuck

Literally worse than Hitler