Comments on Summit Nominations

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

Unfree People of the Pacific (I think she was also known under a different name, though memory fails) and Erastide of Lemuria were also both involved in gameplay before becoming moderators.

[Common-Sense Politics]

Serious questions have to be asked about someone who is unwilling to appear under their main account in this I thing. The only possible reason to do that is because they do not want people to know who they are, and there has to be a reason for that.

I imagine some players may not want their main nation known as they could be expressing views that are controversial.

That's ridiculous. The entire concept is contraversial. This summit is a rare opportunity for us to all come together for a focused, and comprehensive improvement to our game. Those who have the privilege to speak must speak from the heart and they must own their posts. A delegate owes his fellow gameplayers no less. It would be more appropriate for players like this to stick to the commentary threads.

[Blackbird]

Nice to see Blackbird/Cortath nominating himself. I hope he gets a seat at the table as one of the old-time defenders.

Why thank you, Proconsul. Nice to see you doing the same as well!

[Strawberrry Fields]

My thoughts on the nominations are as follows;

I think both Unibot and Jakker are a must have for this summit. They're are the too extremes and couldn't do one without the other.

I believe; Evil Wolf, General Halcones, Durkadurkiranistan II, are clear choices for raider reps.
Skyrim Diplomacy, Mallorea and Riva, would be good in this department too. Also Crushing Our Enemies, but that might be one Hawk too many.

Mahaj, makes a good defender and WA writer rep.
Improving Wordiness (Wordy), cause you gotta get a TITO defender in there too.

Spartzerium, Punk Daddy, Belschaft, are good for both sides of the field reps.
I think Todd McCloud, Mousebumples, The Bruce, are good choices too as Delegate reps.

On the other hand, i'd be really ify about Delegate Vinage or Eist, while they are experienced players, I find their general tone unpleasant.

[Cerian Quilor]

Vinage? Really? You don't like his 'tone'?

Because he's independant?

[Strawberrry Fields]

Nothin' to do with him being independent or his views.

I just don't think he's one to engage in an open discussion, doesn't seem to have room for it. I've only had negative interactions with him, and I don't like the tone he generally takes in his posts. He's too black and white for my taste is all.

Also I find his sig he sometimes adds as flashy and egotistical;


I'm not trying to insult him, I think he's a good player and is well accomplished. I'm just really ify about him being in the summit, not sure he'd be the best choice.

[Cerian Quilor]

Nothin' to do with him being independent or his views.

I just don't think he's one to engage in an open discussion, doesn't seem to have room for it. I've only had negative interactions with him, and I don't like the tone he generally takes in his posts. He's too black and white for my taste is all.

Also I find his sig he sometimes adds as flashy and egotistical;
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I'm not trying to insult him, I think he's a good player and is well accomplished. I'm just really ify about him being in the summit, not sure he'd be the best choice.

You clearly don't know the man.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I don't think there are any "must haves". I think we have a good field with enough diversity that the exclusion of any single individual wouldn't be disastrous in my eyes.

[Strawberrry Fields]

I don't think there are any "must haves". I think we have a good field with enough diversity that the exclusion of any single individual wouldn't be disastrous in my eyes.

I can respect that viewpoint, but according to Fris;

Summit participants will be limited to a very small number of actual players

Which is why there is the nominations, I don't think everyone who applies will be accepted.

[Mousebumples]

I don't think there are any "must haves". I think we have a good field with enough diversity that the exclusion of any single individual wouldn't be disastrous in my eyes.

I can respect that viewpoint, but according to Fris;

Summit participants will be limited to a very small number of actual players

Which is why there is the nominations, I don't think everyone who applies will be accepted.

Yes, I think your interpretation of Fris's comment is accurate. However, I'd have to agree with Mall. I think we have a lot of good candidates to choose from so that - no matter who is or is not selected - the panel of attendees will be highly qualified, diverse, and representative. I don't think that there is any one person who absolutely must attend among those who have self-nominated.

[Sichuan Pepper]

I have found Delegate Vinage, while holding opposing views is very eloquent. It is important that our personal agendas and feelings are put aside in order to gain a game play arena we all can contribute to and be happy with.
I have not seen anyone nominated that I would object to being part of the summit. Ultimately it is not our choice anyway.

[Crazy girl]

There are indeed no "musthaves". Just because someone has a big name, does not mean they have more of a chance of getting in. So again, if you feel you can contribute to this summit, feel free to post a nomination in the thread.

[Strawberrry Fields]

*Shrugs*

Just one man's thoughts on the summit Nominations, thought that's what the thread was for. >_<

Aight no one else make my mistake and suggest that any of the nominees are a 'must have' or are 'ify' they should.

[Ballotonia]

Please use this thread instead of the Self-Nominations thread for commentary on nominees or the nomination process.

It's perfectly valid to state ones opinion on whether a nominee would be a good or bad addition to the summit. Make sure to include reasons WHY though, and link to relevant posts. Mere 'me no like' or 'agreed!' posts are not useful as this isn't a vote.

Ballotonia

[Astarial]

I think both Unibot and Jakker are a must have for this summit. They're are the too extremes and couldn't do one without the other.

This is not a comment about either Uni or Jak, but I think, for something like this, inhabiting a particular ideology is less important than finding people who are able to 1. remain calm and collected; 2. articulate their positions simply and coherently; 3. treat opposing positions as stemming from rational foundations. There are plenty of people on both extremes.

And as for Durk for raider rep? I love the guy dearly, but I'm not sure he has an ideology beyond "PURGE IT. PURGE IT NOW. PURGE IT WITH FIRE."

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Okie dokie, I've finally found enough time to offer some detailed thoughts on the nominations thus far. I've offered my thoughts each each candidate on the first page in the order they applied, and divided them into defender, raider, or "other" groups as well. I can't promise I haven't stepped on any toes herein. Apologies if I have misidentified any genders herein as well-if it bothers you, TG me and I will be sure to correct it. All my #1 nominees are on this page, so I may not even get to the other two pages. But, there's my thoughts for discussion and criticism.

Unibot: In my humble opinion, Unibot is a must-have for the summit. He has been active in the R/D game for some time and knows about it, from the in-game logistics to the more technical side, and has been active in many facets of the game in general. If only he could bring his level of rhetoric down to where the rest of are and prune his essays.

Mahaj: Alongside Unibot, I believe Mahaj is one of the better choices from this "side" of the debate, as he can accurately represent both real-time action experience and experience in the SC, which goes hand in hand with the current state of R/D gameplay.

Solm: This is another nation I can't say I've had much interaction with. Though, as a primarily UDL-based member, I would discard this nomination in favor of a more well-rounded nominee such a Unibot or Mahaj.

Biyah: Much like Solm above. Simply on the fact that he is a member of UDL, I would favor Unibot or Mahaj over this nomination because they are more well-rounded and have experience in the SC as well.

Evil Wolf: Another long-time member of the R/D game who has previously had some technical suggestions implemented. I respect EW greatly, and think he would be a great option for the summit, especially as a nation with pre-influence experience.

Jakker: Jakker would be my second sure-in choice next to Halcones from this "side." He has been active in the raiding community and continues to do so and, as a member of TBH, he is intimately involved with switching, puppetry, and the game mechanisms therein.

Cerian Quilor: I would love to see Cerian make this summit. He is well-spoken (if not overly-passionate and ideological at times), and has loads of experience in multiple regions and organizations. However, his hard-line stances may not be well-suited for meaningful debate.

Common-Sense Politics: I believe CSP is the best dark-horse contender for this summit. He has tons of experience and is very knowledgable when it comes to tag raids, and offers a unique perspective that relies more on speed and accuracy than simple piling. CSP would be a level-headed and well-informed member of this summit who also stems from one of the less-mainstream military regions, Europeia.

Kshrlmnt: I only know the nominee here through impersonal interactions, though with so much experience and as a prominent member of another off-the-track raiding organization, I would like to see Kshrlmnt in this summit, though the current lack of technical suggestions in their respective application is a bit...unfortunate.

Mallorea and Riva: My second-favorite dark horse contender. Mall is active all around the game, including the key areas here of military involvement on the ground and in the WA. I've found Mall both helpful and amusing in my time here, and I believe he would be a good choice as it "Tecumseh Sherman" type, as it were.

General Halcones: As a prominent and active member of two of the largest and most well-known raider organizations, Halcones to me is the must-have raider perspective for this summit. Experience is abundant here, and he is active both in Technical and Gameplay.

Jamie Anumia: As a mild centrist to leaning raider option, I think there are better and more experienced nominees out there.

Andacantra: Another player I don't have much personal experience with. However, all that I do know about Abbey stems from rather rash outbursts I have read made by her, and she, like Uni, tends to babble at times.

Crushing Our Enemies: COE would be another great option. COE is active in many facets of the game, and has some of the better ideas that I see being put on the table in terms of technical changes.

Galiantus: As a fairly new nation with little R/D experience, I don't think this nation should be included on the simple basis of national sovereignty alone, as there are, IMO, much choices for that niche, such as Mousebumples or Kenny.

The Blaatschapen: While well-spoken and able to accurately flesh out ideas, I don't think the simple perspective of "native" should be enough to get a seat at this table, as this is a summit on the R/D conflicts in the game.

Letoilenoir: I must admit, I don't know much about this nation. That being said, I see only nominal experience in this nation's application form, and I slide away from this nomination.

Spartzerium: I place Spartz here only because it would be unfair to categorize him into one group or another. He has a lot of technical knowledge ad is probably the best bet for a nation who has experienced both sides of the R/D game.

Todd McCloud: I respect Todd dearly, but as someone who has admittedly had only an "arm's length view of the R/D game," I'd rather take a naiton with better technical suggestions, ala Mousebumples.

Delegate Vinage: Vinage would be a great candidate as a more neutral candidate who is a very influential member. As one of the most-endorsed Delegates and an active member of the WA and SC in particular, Vinage holds a position that few in the game have or will ever see.

Punk Daddy: As another member with GCR Delegate experience (and, therefore, many endorsements), PD would be a solid choice. He has a nice amount of experience, and is a very good debater.

Mousebumples: Mouse is my favorite pick for the "Other" category I've laid out. She has been active in the WA (to a small degree ), and bring some of the most interesting Technical discussions to the table. Her experience with the Technical side of the game is bar-none.

TL;DR version-I like Unibot and Mahaj for the defender side, Halcones and Jakker for the raider side (with CSP as a strong dark-horse candidate), and Mousebumples and Vinage as my "other" picks.

[Eist]

Interesting selection. You have Unibot, dubious other assorted UDL members past and present, raiders someone I don't know at all and Mousebumples. If this is going to be the composition of the summit then God help this game.

[SkyDip]

Interesting selection. You have Unibot, dubious other assorted UDL members past and present, raiders someone I don't know at all and Mousebumples. If this is going to be the composition of the summit then God help this game.

Just my first-page thoughts there, Eisty.

[Eist]

Oh, I'm sorry. I construed that as the people you thought should represent the game. I see now that it's an overview of *every nomination* on the first page. My apologies.

[Sedgistan]

You've missed something that's key - we want the participants at the summit to be representing different points of view. If Player A and Player B are most knowledgeable, experienced, well-spoken etc. etc. around, but still represent the same approach to the game, at most only one of them would be picked.There's no point having two people at the summit who are just going to say the same thing.

There are different styles of play/approaches to both raiding and defending, and even within the "others". You need to take those into account.

[Hirota]

Will any consideration be made regarding nominees abilities to respect and follow the rules, playing fair on the forums and also respecting the moderators and their rulings be considered at any stage of the selection process?

[Frisbeeteria]

Will any consideration be made regarding nominees abilities to respect and follow the rules, playing fair on the forums and also respecting the moderators and their rulings be considered at any stage of the selection process?

I'm sure it will be a consideration, though perhaps not a significant one. For instance, we're not inviting any DOS players back to tell us that our rules suck.

[Hirota]

That's vaguely reassuring.

Personally, I find the idea of a nation or nations who are incapable of following existing rules actually being involved in creating and defining certain key aspects of NS a terrifying prospect.

But since my interest in the whole Raider/Defender side of the game is limited to casual lurking, I'm probably not qualified to make any comment, and I'll stick to having faith in the moderation team keeping a firm rein on things.

[Letoilenoir]

Interesting selection. You have Unibot, dubious other assorted UDL members past and present, raiders someone I don't know at all and Mousebumples. If this is going to be the composition of the summit then God help this game.

Just because you do not know them does not make their viewpoint any less valid

There are many people involved or impacted by the R/D game, and not all of them are directly connected to what might be termed the "big guns"

And it is precisely to shake up the monopoly of these "major players" that such people should be encouraged to participate - otherwise the R/D game will turn increasingly into a "closed shop"

[Ad Infinitum]

And it is precisely to shake up the monopoly of these "major players" that such people should be encouraged to participate - otherwise the R/D game will turn increasingly into a "closed shop"

It probably doesn't help that no one seems to be using anything that even remotely resembles their main nation on the battlefield. Some of these raiderfolk I may have come up against a hundred times and I wouldn't know who they are... I just know I get a dozen new puppets added to my doss every update and I can only differentiate who's who by their tactics and timing. Until everyone in TBR raids switches their flag, at least. Add FRA and UDL switchers into the mix -- I just shut up and follow orders at that point