Lords of the Seven Kingdoms (Game of Thrones P2TM RP Group)

[Austria and Bavaria]

Craster is by far probably the shittiest.

I had not thought of the Free Folk. You are right, Craster is hands down the worst parent in Westeros.

[Nuxipal]

Craster is by far probably the shittiest.

I had not thought of the Free Folk. You are right, Craster is hands down the worst parent in Westeros.

Living maybe.. but Aegon V.. "Hey guys lets all gather at Summerhall and try to hatch the eggs.. Oops"

[Austria and Bavaria]

I had not thought of the Free Folk. You are right, Craster is hands down the worst parent in Westeros.

Living maybe.. but Aegon V.. "Hey guys lets all gather at Summerhall and try to hatch the eggs.. Oops"

That's a bit harsh... it's not like Aegon wanted things to go badly.

[Nuxipal]

Living maybe.. but Aegon V.. "Hey guys lets all gather at Summerhall and try to hatch the eggs.. Oops"

That's a bit harsh... it's not like Aegon wanted things to go badly.

True, though his actions led to the end of House Targaryen's rule over Westeros almost as much as Aerys and Rhaegar's.

[Austria and Bavaria]

Anyone still interested in doing some World-Building?

[Nasaira]

I am!!

[Austria and Bavaria]

I'll start setting it up.

[Nasaira]

I reserve House Lannister

[Austria and Bavaria]

Reserve Targs for me.

[Austria and Bavaria]

So... ideas for backstory? What about a scenario when Targs won Robert's Rebellion?

[Lunas Legion]

NS Name: Lunas Legion
Epithets/Titles: The Vulture King, High Lord of the Dornish Marches.
Why you want to join this group: Because you're the only vaguely-organised group of ASoIAF RPers I've ever seen.
Favorite Character(s) from the books: Doldorus Edd. Tormund Giantsbane. Stannis.
Favorite Character(s) from ASOIF History: Corlys the Sea Snake. The Night's King.
Favorite House: Clegane.
Who do you support in the War of Five Kings: Stannis. If it turns out he's dead, I'm rooting for the Others.

[Phalnia]

So... ideas for backstory? What about a scenario when Targs won Robert's Rebellion?

Maybe with Robert and Rhaegar killing each other at the Trident?

[Lunas Legion]

So... ideas for backstory? What about a scenario when Targs won Robert's Rebellion?

Maybe with Robert and Rhaegar killing each other at the Trident?

Don't think that would work. Ned wouldn't stop until he got his sister back, Aerys wanted all the Starks and Baratheons dead and Stannis would probably continue the war to avenge Robert.

Have Jon Connington be competent in the Battle of the Bells and find/kill Ned and Robert?

[Austria and Bavaria]

NS Name: Lunas Legion
Epithets/Titles: The Vulture King, High Lord of the Dornish Marches.
Why you want to join this group: Because you're the only vaguely-organised group of ASoIAF RPers I've ever seen.
Favorite Character(s) from the books: Doldorus Edd. Tormund Giantsbane. Stannis.
Favorite Character(s) from ASOIF History: Corlys the Sea Snake. The Night's King.
Favorite House: Clegane.
Who do you support in the War of Five Kings: Stannis. If it turns out he's dead, I'm rooting for the Others.

Accepted.

[Austria and Bavaria]

What about a scenario in which Rhaegar deposed Aerys in a (mostly) peaceful coup?

[Lunas Legion]

That might work. If Rhaegar actually decided to sit the hell down and talk the whole thing out with Ned and Lyanna, a coup against Aerys might work. Robert would be pissed Lyanna was with Rhaegar, Dorne would be pissed Rhaegar was with Lyanna, but there would be peace.

[Argentumurbem]

For this world-building does it have to be after the death of the dragons?

On the topic:
- Simplify the whole rebellion to the initial coup taking place right at the beginning of the Tourney of Harrenhal?
- Mad King arrives, declares his intention of naming Jaime to the kingsguard, Rhaegar and Lord Whent step forward with the information that they had already agreed on his betrothal to Lord Whent's maiden daughter.
- Mad King is placed under house arrest for the duration of the tournament, during which time Rhaegar meets with all the noblemen in attendance with the intent of dethroning his father "for the realm".

- Outcome:
- - Tywin Lannister, although initially furious at the Crown Prince's actions, is won over by the future benefits of the marriage/he was on his own.
- - Jaime Lannister is betrothed to Lord Whent's daughter
- - Cersei is betrothed to Eddard Stark
- - Mad King is forced to abdicate the throne
- - Tywin is named Hand of the King
- - Mace Tyrell is promised a match between his children and that of Rhaegar's
- - Varys the Spider goes in to hiding

Further on down the line:
- The affair between Lyanna and Rhaegar becomes evident, with the Lady Stark living at the Red Keep while his husband ruled in Storms End.
- Eventually, Robert calls Rhaegar out for a duel. Rhaegar dies.
- The realm unravels.

That is a "perfect outcome" scenario if we are talking pre-RR

[Austria and Bavaria]

For this world-building does it have to be after the death of the dragons?

On the topic:
- Simplify the whole rebellion to the initial coup taking place right at the beginning of the Tourney of Harrenhal?
- Mad King arrives, declares his intention of naming Jaime to the kingsguard, Rhaegar and Lord Whent step forward with the information that they had already agreed on his betrothal to Lord Whent's maiden daughter.
- Mad King is placed under house arrest for the duration of the tournament, during which time Rhaegar meets with all the noblemen in attendance with the intent of dethroning his father "for the realm".

- Outcome:
- - Tywin Lannister, although initially furious at the Crown Prince's actions, is won over by the future benefits of the marriage/he was on his own.
- - Jaime Lannister is betrothed to Lord Whent's daughter
- - Cersei is betrothed to Eddard Stark
- - Mad King is forced to abdicate the throne
- - Tywin is named Hand of the King
- - Mace Tyrell is promised a match between his children and that of Rhaegar's
- - Varys the Spider goes in to hiding

Further on down the line:
- The affair between Lyanna and Rhaegar becomes evident, with the Lady Stark living at the Red Keep while his husband ruled in Storms End.
- Eventually, Robert calls Rhaegar out for a duel. Rhaegar dies.
- The realm unravels.

That is a "perfect outcome" scenario if we are talking pre-RR

I really like this. Perhaps skipping Rhaegar's death though. I would prefer that Rhaegar wins and takes Lyanna as a second wife.

[Lunas Legion]

For this world-building does it have to be after the death of the dragons?

On the topic:
- Simplify the whole rebellion to the initial coup taking place right at the beginning of the Tourney of Harrenhal?
- Mad King arrives, declares his intention of naming Jaime to the kingsguard, Rhaegar and Lord Whent step forward with the information that they had already agreed on his betrothal to Lord Whent's maiden daughter.
- Mad King is placed under house arrest for the duration of the tournament, during which time Rhaegar meets with all the noblemen in attendance with the intent of dethroning his father "for the realm".

- Outcome:
- - Tywin Lannister, although initially furious at the Crown Prince's actions, is won over by the future benefits of the marriage/he was on his own.
- - Jaime Lannister is betrothed to Lord Whent's daughter
- - Cersei is betrothed to Eddard Stark
- - Mad King is forced to abdicate the throne
- - Tywin is named Hand of the King
- - Mace Tyrell is promised a match between his children and that of Rhaegar's
- - Varys the Spider goes in to hiding

Further on down the line:
- The affair between Lyanna and Rhaegar becomes evident, with the Lady Stark living at the Red Keep while his husband ruled in Storms End.
- Eventually, Robert calls Rhaegar out for a duel. Rhaegar dies.
- The realm unravels.

That is a "perfect outcome" scenario if we are talking pre-RR

I really like this. Perhaps skipping Rhaegar's death though. I would prefer that Rhaegar wins and takes Lyanna as a second wife.

I think Rhaegar should probably die around the same time that Robert dies in the books; Robert spends a very long time stewing over Lyanna being stolen from him, and after the realm's settled down into usual backstabbing mode, goes on up to King's Landing to smash Rhaegar's face in personally.

[Nasaira]

I like the idea of Rhaegar ruling for awhile then he dies just like Robert, which causes the realm to come undone

[Austria and Bavaria]

I really like this. Perhaps skipping Rhaegar's death though. I would prefer that Rhaegar wins and takes Lyanna as a second wife.

I think Rhaegar should probably die around the same time that Robert dies in the books; Robert spends a very long time stewing over Lyanna being stolen from him, and after the realm's settled down into usual backstabbing mode, goes on up to King's Landing to smash Rhaegar's face in personally.

And starts a mini-rebellion? Just Baratheons and few Stormlanders though, maybe some second son of a lord paramount as well.

Also, let's not have Ned marry Cersei. Let's have Ned marry Ashara Dayne. : )

[Nasaira]

Well if that's the case then I still have Cersi if anyone wants a marriage

[Argentumurbem]

The issue with Lyanna being anyone else's wife is that you end up back with Robert's Rebellion just on supercharge:
- Baratheon wants vengeance, Starks are slighted, Arryn is their ally and Tully is politically tied.
And that is before the political ramifications of taking a second woman to wife. Paramour sure but wife? Dorne would be braying for blood. Good scenario, but makes it pretty obvious that Rhaegar/Targ dynasty will be toppled fairly quickly.

But yes a Robert stewing like Stanny boii sounds good. And in turn Stannis grows under this oppressive figure, making him deceitful instead of honest. Or something.

EDIT:
Political marriages are the by-and-by of Westeros. Lyanna/Robert, Rhaegar/Elia, Catelyn/Ned, Jon/Lysa, Mace/Redwyne, Renly/Marg, Joff/Marg, Tommen/Marg - If Ned were to marry someone outside of the Lannisters, it would be one of his father's bannermen, to ensure loyalty. However from what we know of Tywin, such marriages: to two very powerful families, is the sort of requirement he needs to turn on his old friend and play a key role in such a situation.
The intermingling of LPs is an uncommon affair only resulting in the road up to change. For Eddard to marry Lady Dayne the political situation would have to be very stable, which it really isn't, even accounting for a perfect coup. And that is even considering they were in any way interested, which the evidence points to Brandon instead of lil' Ned.

Robert does Rhaegar's head in, rises in rebellion,

Inspiration from a Warhammer 40k Alternative Universe. Based on a CK2 game I played recently.

Rhaegar and Elia fall in love, something which King Aerys resents. This open hostility in regards to his wife sets the Crown Prince against his father in a very obvious fashion. While Aerys alienated his friends and closest allies due to his paranoia, Rhaegar won over the support of both the common people and the lords. At Lord Tywin’s Tourney For Viserys, Rhaegar proposed a match between Cersei and his younger brother, as well as alluding to the Lannisters becoming the main family in the court of the Red Keep. Lord Mace, unwilling to be outdone, sought out the Prince as soon as he heard of the rumours of his disloyalty towards the King, promising his men in the event of armed conflict. Happy to bind the Reach closer to the crown, Rhaegar allowed the match between his daughter and Lord Willas Tyrell to agreed between fellow conspirators.
There were several more years of peace, a fragile peace that could last only a short time after the Tourney of Harrenhal. Here, it could be said, was where the lines were drawn between Royalists and Loyalists. Aerys, either too arrogant in his status to expect harm or driven in to a corner by the fear of what his son and heir was capable of, called Rhaegar out as a traitor. The young knights and lordlings who dotted on the Prince’s affections rushed to his side at this slight, while those who had remained faithful to the crown looked to the safety of their liege. In the end, with the noble spectators more interested in what was conspiring behind closed doors than the rush of hooves and shattered lances, Jaime Lannister emerged victorious over Rhaegar to name Lord Whent’s maiden daughter as Queen of Love and Beauty.
A year later, Prince Rhaegar used the wedding of Jaime Lannister to Lord Whent’s daughter as the signal for the rebellion to begin. Utilizing Harrenhal’s vast nature as a rallying beacon for his supporters, Prince Rhaegar held off the Lords Tully and Stark while Mace dealt devastating blows to Lord Robert after an initial indecisive defeat at Summerhal. In a series of battles, culminating in the Clash at Bronzegate, the Reachmen were able to pick apart the Stormlander host and capture Robert Baratheon. Meanwhile, Lord Tywin proved himself the superior to Lord Hoster, besting the Riverlords at the Battle of the Fords and scattering his bannermen. Although Rhaegar lost his own battle with the Royalist army at Duskendale, he was able to reunite with the Westermen in short order and drive back Lord Jon and his Valemen at the small town of Saltpans.
Aerys, with Lord Stark and some twenty thousand Northmen and Crownlanders, was lured in to a false sense of security. As such, he did not order his pyromancers to set the capitol afire until it was too late. When Prince Rhaegar and an army drawn from across the Seven Kingdoms finally descended on the capitol, it was to find the gates already opened and the citizens calling his “King”. Unable to stand by and watch his king burn captives and innocents, Lord Stark ordered the palace taken and Aerys chained. Unable to ensure the submission of the Goldcloaks and Crownlanders during his coup, Lord Rodrik allowed his bannermen Lord Bolton and Lord Flint to take to the streets in order to maintain the peace. Hundreds of buildings burned at the orders of Lord Bolton, and hundreds of noble-born Crownlanders were mercilessly pursued by Lord Flint.
What followed was a powerplay between the victorious Lords Lannister and Tyrell, and the defeated but lawfully right Lords Stark, Tully, Baratheon and Arryn. While the Northmen and Valemen had contributed to only a single field battle apiece, it was believed that their participation warranted the full price as enforced on Lord Baratheon, Tully and the scores of minor lordlings and knights who stood by their king.

No Lyanna-snatching, but does allow the further development of Robert being a bad husband (potentially) and Rhaegar becomes her protector. Eventually Elia dies and then he takes her as wife after nullifying her previous marriage on the grounds of infidelity and other charges. Realm unravels.

I have left out much of the actual fighting/deaths/allies

Royalists:
- Crownlanders
- Northmen
- Valemen
- Riverlords
- Stormlanders

Loyalists:
- Narrow Sea Lords
- - Connington
- - Fell
- - Selmy
- - Corbray
- - Belmore
- - Sisterton
- - Whent
- - Mooton
- - Vance of Wayfarer's Rest
- Reachmen
- Westermen

Non-participants:
- Iron Islanders
- Dornish
- Mountain Clansmen

[Austria and Bavaria]

I really like idea #2. Please elaborate more, if you can. When were you thinking of having the world build take place if we did #2? Perhaps 60 or so years afterwards, in the reign of Aegon VI?

[Argentumurbem]

I really like idea #2. Please elaborate more, if you can. When were you thinking of having the world build take place if we did #2? Perhaps 60 or so years afterwards, in the reign of Aegon VI?

Yeah something like that. Civil war, Rhaegar king, attempt by Greyjoy to rebel - because why not eh? -, Tyrells and Lannisters duke it out over who gets more influence in court, Aegon marries a daughter of Robert/Lyanna, the other LPs marry High Lords as usual, deaths, tourneys... oh oh oh! A plague! An itty bitty one. One which leaves Aegon's heir as an infant. An infant daughter but, oh no! Dany was born in the Red Keep and spirited away by Varys the Spider! Now she is coming back with proof that Aerys did in fact disinherit Rhaegar and his line. So it is a free-for-all with previous bloodties meaning nothing in favour of getting a marriage with Dany or securing the leading role in Aegon's court as his failing health leads him closer to the stranger's door. Or something, just an idea.

Anyway.

Here is a quick write up of the war itself
http://the-dragon-era.wikia.com/wiki/The_Usurper_War?venotify=created
- what is not really mentioned/needs cleared up, by the end of the war:
Rhaegar is king, madly in love with Elia Martell
Robert and Lyanna are to marry
Brandon and Catelyn are married
Cersei is betrothed to Viserys
Jaime is married to Lord Whent's daughter
Elbert Arryn is LP of Vale, with Denys as defacto heir until a child
Lysa marries Whent's heir
Elbert free to marry anyone