Lords of the Seven Kingdoms (Game of Thrones P2TM RP Group)

[New Ferris]

NS Name: Lunas Legion
Epithets/Titles: The Vulture King, High Lord of the Dornish Marches.
Why you want to join this group: Because you're the only vaguely-organised group of ASoIAF RPers I've ever seen.
Favorite Character(s) from the books: Doldorus Edd. Tormund Giantsbane. Stannis.
Favorite Character(s) from ASOIF History: Corlys the Sea Snake. The Night's King.
Favorite House: Clegane.
Who do you support in the War of Five Kings: Stannis. If it turns out he's dead, I'm rooting for the Others.

Go sea snake yay

[New Ferris]

So... ideas for backstory? What about a scenario when Targs won Robert's Rebellion?

In this case. My questions are...
1.How far did Robert's Rebellion go?
2.Who is King now? Aerys or Rhaegar
3.What happens to Lyanna Stark
4.What happens to Jon Snow
5. If Robert's Rebellion failed. Would it mean that Benjen Stark, Stannis Baratheon and Harrold Hardyng are now the lord of Winterfell, Storms End and they Eyrie respectively?
6. What happens to Jamie Lannister
7. If Aerys lived, did his plot to burn down KL with wildfyre happen?
8. If Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne live, can they be together at least romantically. (Fav Pairing, A union of true north and true south.)
9.Is this a character or a faction rp?

[Austria and Bavaria]

Just a thought, I thing Argentumurbem also meantioned this, what do people think about a world-build that takes place before the death of the dragons? What we have been talking about so far seems better suited to a regular RP. I think we need a more "Free-Play" element in the world build. Just a few ideas:

Andal Invasion
Valryian Freehold
Pre-Conquest Westeros
The Dorne prior to the Rhoynar Invasion
Alt-History Westeros where the Dance never happened.

[Austria and Bavaria]

So... ideas for backstory? What about a scenario when Targs won Robert's Rebellion?

In this case. My questions are...
1.How far did Robert's Rebellion go?
2.Who is King now? Aerys or Rhaegar
3.What happens to Lyanna Stark
4.What happens to Jon Snow
5. If Robert's Rebellion failed. Would it mean that Benjen Stark, Stannis Baratheon and Harrold Hardyng are now the lord of Winterfell, Storms End and they Eyrie respectively?
6. What happens to Jamie Lannister
7. If Aerys lived, did his plot to burn down KL with wildfyre happen?
8. If Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne live, can they be together at least romantically. (Fav Pairing, A union of true north and true south.)
9.Is this a character or a faction rp?

We would be going with Argentumurbem's suggestion if we did this.

Inspiration from a Warhammer 40k Alternative Universe. Based on a CK2 game I played recently.

Rhaegar and Elia fall in love, something which King Aerys resents. This open hostility in regards to his wife sets the Crown Prince against his father in a very obvious fashion. While Aerys alienated his friends and closest allies due to his paranoia, Rhaegar won over the support of both the common people and the lords. At Lord Tywin’s Tourney For Viserys, Rhaegar proposed a match between Cersei and his younger brother, as well as alluding to the Lannisters becoming the main family in the court of the Red Keep. Lord Mace, unwilling to be outdone, sought out the Prince as soon as he heard of the rumours of his disloyalty towards the King, promising his men in the event of armed conflict. Happy to bind the Reach closer to the crown, Rhaegar allowed the match between his daughter and Lord Willas Tyrell to agreed between fellow conspirators.
There were several more years of peace, a fragile peace that could last only a short time after the Tourney of Harrenhal. Here, it could be said, was where the lines were drawn between Royalists and Loyalists. Aerys, either too arrogant in his status to expect harm or driven in to a corner by the fear of what his son and heir was capable of, called Rhaegar out as a traitor. The young knights and lordlings who dotted on the Prince’s affections rushed to his side at this slight, while those who had remained faithful to the crown looked to the safety of their liege. In the end, with the noble spectators more interested in what was conspiring behind closed doors than the rush of hooves and shattered lances, Jaime Lannister emerged victorious over Rhaegar to name Lord Whent’s maiden daughter as Queen of Love and Beauty.
A year later, Prince Rhaegar used the wedding of Jaime Lannister to Lord Whent’s daughter as the signal for the rebellion to begin. Utilizing Harrenhal’s vast nature as a rallying beacon for his supporters, Prince Rhaegar held off the Lords Tully and Stark while Mace dealt devastating blows to Lord Robert after an initial indecisive defeat at Summerhal. In a series of battles, culminating in the Clash at Bronzegate, the Reachmen were able to pick apart the Stormlander host and capture Robert Baratheon. Meanwhile, Lord Tywin proved himself the superior to Lord Hoster, besting the Riverlords at the Battle of the Fords and scattering his bannermen. Although Rhaegar lost his own battle with the Royalist army at Duskendale, he was able to reunite with the Westermen in short order and drive back Lord Jon and his Valemen at the small town of Saltpans.
Aerys, with Lord Stark and some twenty thousand Northmen and Crownlanders, was lured in to a false sense of security. As such, he did not order his pyromancers to set the capitol afire until it was too late. When Prince Rhaegar and an army drawn from across the Seven Kingdoms finally descended on the capitol, it was to find the gates already opened and the citizens calling his “King”. Unable to stand by and watch his king burn captives and innocents, Lord Stark ordered the palace taken and Aerys chained. Unable to ensure the submission of the Goldcloaks and Crownlanders during his coup, Lord Rodrik allowed his bannermen Lord Bolton and Lord Flint to take to the streets in order to maintain the peace. Hundreds of buildings burned at the orders of Lord Bolton, and hundreds of noble-born Crownlanders were mercilessly pursued by Lord Flint.
What followed was a powerplay between the victorious Lords Lannister and Tyrell, and the defeated but lawfully right Lords Stark, Tully, Baratheon and Arryn. While the Northmen and Valemen had contributed to only a single field battle apiece, it was believed that their participation warranted the full price as enforced on Lord Baratheon, Tully and the scores of minor lordlings and knights who stood by their king.

No Lyanna-snatching, but does allow the further development of Robert being a bad husband (potentially) and Rhaegar becomes her protector. Eventually Elia dies and then he takes her as wife after nullifying her previous marriage on the grounds of infidelity and other charges. Realm unravels.

I have left out much of the actual fighting/deaths/allies

Royalists:
- Crownlanders
- Northmen
- Valemen
- Riverlords
- Stormlanders

Loyalists:
- Narrow Sea Lords
- - Connington
- - Fell
- - Selmy
- - Corbray
- - Belmore
- - Sisterton
- - Whent
- - Mooton
- - Vance of Wayfarer's Rest
- Reachmen
- Westermen

Non-participants:
- Iron Islanders
- Dornish
- Mountain Clansmen

I really like idea #2. Please elaborate more, if you can. When were you thinking of having the world build take place if we did #2? Perhaps 60 or so years afterwards, in the reign of Aegon VI?

Yeah something like that. Civil war, Rhaegar king, attempt by Greyjoy to rebel - because why not eh? -, Tyrells and Lannisters duke it out over who gets more influence in court, Aegon marries a daughter of Robert/Lyanna, the other LPs marry High Lords as usual, deaths, tourneys... oh oh oh! A plague! An itty bitty one. One which leaves Aegon's heir as an infant. An infant daughter but, oh no! Dany was born in the Red Keep and spirited away by Varys the Spider! Now she is coming back with proof that Aerys did in fact disinherit Rhaegar and his line. So it is a free-for-all with previous bloodties meaning nothing in favour of getting a marriage with Dany or securing the leading role in Aegon's court as his failing health leads him closer to the stranger's door. Or something, just an idea.

Anyway.

Here is a quick write up of the war itself
http://the-dragon-era.wikia.com/wiki/The_Usurper_War?venotify=created
- what is not really mentioned/needs cleared up, by the end of the war:
Rhaegar is king, madly in love with Elia Martell
Robert and Lyanna are to marry
Brandon and Catelyn are married
Cersei is betrothed to Viserys
Jaime is married to Lord Whent's daughter
Elbert Arryn is LP of Vale, with Denys as defacto heir until a child
Lysa marries Whent's heir
Elbert free to marry anyone

[New Ferris]

In this case. My questions are...
1.How far did Robert's Rebellion go?
2.Who is King now? Aerys or Rhaegar
3.What happens to Lyanna Stark
4.What happens to Jon Snow
5. If Robert's Rebellion failed. Would it mean that Benjen Stark, Stannis Baratheon and Harrold Hardyng are now the lord of Winterfell, Storms End and they Eyrie respectively?
6. What happens to Jamie Lannister
7. If Aerys lived, did his plot to burn down KL with wildfyre happen?
8. If Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne live, can they be together at least romantically. (Fav Pairing, A union of true north and true south.)
9.Is this a character or a faction rp?

We would be going with Argentumurbem's suggestion if we did this.

Inspiration from a Warhammer 40k Alternative Universe. Based on a CK2 game I played recently.

Rhaegar and Elia fall in love, something which King Aerys resents. This open hostility in regards to his wife sets the Crown Prince against his father in a very obvious fashion. While Aerys alienated his friends and closest allies due to his paranoia, Rhaegar won over the support of both the common people and the lords. At Lord Tywin’s Tourney For Viserys, Rhaegar proposed a match between Cersei and his younger brother, as well as alluding to the Lannisters becoming the main family in the court of the Red Keep. Lord Mace, unwilling to be outdone, sought out the Prince as soon as he heard of the rumours of his disloyalty towards the King, promising his men in the event of armed conflict. Happy to bind the Reach closer to the crown, Rhaegar allowed the match between his daughter and Lord Willas Tyrell to agreed between fellow conspirators.
There were several more years of peace, a fragile peace that could last only a short time after the Tourney of Harrenhal. Here, it could be said, was where the lines were drawn between Royalists and Loyalists. Aerys, either too arrogant in his status to expect harm or driven in to a corner by the fear of what his son and heir was capable of, called Rhaegar out as a traitor. The young knights and lordlings who dotted on the Prince’s affections rushed to his side at this slight, while those who had remained faithful to the crown looked to the safety of their liege. In the end, with the noble spectators more interested in what was conspiring behind closed doors than the rush of hooves and shattered lances, Jaime Lannister emerged victorious over Rhaegar to name Lord Whent’s maiden daughter as Queen of Love and Beauty.
A year later, Prince Rhaegar used the wedding of Jaime Lannister to Lord Whent’s daughter as the signal for the rebellion to begin. Utilizing Harrenhal’s vast nature as a rallying beacon for his supporters, Prince Rhaegar held off the Lords Tully and Stark while Mace dealt devastating blows to Lord Robert after an initial indecisive defeat at Summerhal. In a series of battles, culminating in the Clash at Bronzegate, the Reachmen were able to pick apart the Stormlander host and capture Robert Baratheon. Meanwhile, Lord Tywin proved himself the superior to Lord Hoster, besting the Riverlords at the Battle of the Fords and scattering his bannermen. Although Rhaegar lost his own battle with the Royalist army at Duskendale, he was able to reunite with the Westermen in short order and drive back Lord Jon and his Valemen at the small town of Saltpans.
Aerys, with Lord Stark and some twenty thousand Northmen and Crownlanders, was lured in to a false sense of security. As such, he did not order his pyromancers to set the capitol afire until it was too late. When Prince Rhaegar and an army drawn from across the Seven Kingdoms finally descended on the capitol, it was to find the gates already opened and the citizens calling his “King”. Unable to stand by and watch his king burn captives and innocents, Lord Stark ordered the palace taken and Aerys chained. Unable to ensure the submission of the Goldcloaks and Crownlanders during his coup, Lord Rodrik allowed his bannermen Lord Bolton and Lord Flint to take to the streets in order to maintain the peace. Hundreds of buildings burned at the orders of Lord Bolton, and hundreds of noble-born Crownlanders were mercilessly pursued by Lord Flint.
What followed was a powerplay between the victorious Lords Lannister and Tyrell, and the defeated but lawfully right Lords Stark, Tully, Baratheon and Arryn. While the Northmen and Valemen had contributed to only a single field battle apiece, it was believed that their participation warranted the full price as enforced on Lord Baratheon, Tully and the scores of minor lordlings and knights who stood by their king.

No Lyanna-snatching, but does allow the further development of Robert being a bad husband (potentially) and Rhaegar becomes her protector. Eventually Elia dies and then he takes her as wife after nullifying her previous marriage on the grounds of infidelity and other charges. Realm unravels.

I have left out much of the actual fighting/deaths/allies

Royalists:
- Crownlanders
- Northmen
- Valemen
- Riverlords
- Stormlanders

Loyalists:
- Narrow Sea Lords
- - Connington
- - Fell
- - Selmy
- - Corbray
- - Belmore
- - Sisterton
- - Whent
- - Mooton
- - Vance of Wayfarer's Rest
- Reachmen
- Westermen

Non-participants:
- Iron Islanders
- Dornish
- Mountain Clansmen

Yeah something like that. Civil war, Rhaegar king, attempt by Greyjoy to rebel - because why not eh? -, Tyrells and Lannisters duke it out over who gets more influence in court, Aegon marries a daughter of Robert/Lyanna, the other LPs marry High Lords as usual, deaths, tourneys... oh oh oh! A plague! An itty bitty one. One which leaves Aegon's heir as an infant. An infant daughter but, oh no! Dany was born in the Red Keep and spirited away by Varys the Spider! Now she is coming back with proof that Aerys did in fact disinherit Rhaegar and his line. So it is a free-for-all with previous bloodties meaning nothing in favour of getting a marriage with Dany or securing the leading role in Aegon's court as his failing health leads him closer to the stranger's door. Or something, just an idea.

Anyway.

Here is a quick write up of the war itself
http://the-dragon-era.wikia.com/wiki/The_Usurper_War?venotify=created
- what is not really mentioned/needs cleared up, by the end of the war:
Rhaegar is king, madly in love with Elia Martell
Robert and Lyanna are to marry
Brandon and Catelyn are married
Cersei is betrothed to Viserys
Jaime is married to Lord Whent's daughter
Elbert Arryn is LP of Vale, with Denys as defacto heir until a child
Lysa marries Whent's heir
Elbert free to marry anyone

Yea i just saw this. Everyone posted when i did

[New Ferris]

Just a thought, I thing Argentumurbem also meantioned this, what do people think about a world-build that takes place before the death of the dragons? What we have been talking about so far seems better suited to a regular RP. I think we need a more "Free-Play" element in the world build. Just a few ideas:

Andal Invasion
Valryian Freehold
Pre-Conquest Westeros
The Dorne prior to the Rhoynar Invasion
Alt-History Westeros where the Dance never happened.

The andal invasion could be a interesting topic.
What are the consequences of a alt Westeros where the Dance didnt occur?

[Austria and Bavaria]

Dragons everywhere. Plus, we would be able to create our own chars, since it is alt-history.

[New Ferris]

Dragons everywhere. Plus, we would be able to create our own chars, since it is alt-history.

Huh if we're to do this though. We have to limit the amount of dragons to a few rpers with really good quality apps.

On another hand, how about a scenario of War of the 5 kings with the Starks not horribly murdered coz Robb married a Frey like promised and a Stannis that won the battle for Kingslanding because Tyrion wasnt present for it. Maybe throw in an alive Khal Drogo? It'kl be interesting thats for sure. Hell maybe even a wildling Army that broke through the wall and is rampaging throughout the North. Maybe even led by Jon Snow?

[Austria and Bavaria]

Dragons everywhere. Plus, we would be able to create our own chars, since it is alt-history.

Huh if we're to do this though. We have to limit the amount of dragons to a few rpers with really good quality apps.

On another hand, how about a scenario of War of the 5 kings with the Starks not horribly murdered coz Robb married a Frey like promised and a Stannis that won the battle for Kingslanding because Tyrion wasnt present for it. Maybe throw in an alive Khal Drogo? It'kl be interesting thats for sure. Hell maybe even a wildling Army that broke through the wall and is rampaging throughout the North. Maybe even led by Jon Snow?

While that is certainly interesting, it is not exactly world build material.

[Nasaira]

I like the prospect of creating our own characters, just a thought maybe we could RP 50 years after the rebellion and dragons can live again. I don't know just a thought

[Austria and Bavaria]

I like the prospect of creating our own characters, just a thought maybe we could RP 50 years after the rebellion and dragons can live again. I don't know just a thought

By the way... what ever happened to you applying for the Lannisters in the Winds of Winter? Tommen is dead and Myrcella has been kidnapped. King's Landing is a battleground between Lannisters and the Faith. Cersei is probably going nuts right now, therefore a Cersei POV would be sweet. Plus Jaime and Daven are kinda important and Tyrion can be used as the POV for what is going in in Slaver's Bay.

[New Ferris]

Im still up for Andal Invasion scenario or a Westeros without the Dance.

And a great idea struck me. A succesful Blackfyre rebellion. Yes. Maybe Maelys the Monstrous?

[Austria and Bavaria]

So, it's looking like Andal Invasion or Westeros without the Dance for the World Build and Arg's idea for the next faction RP, once TWoW dies.

[New Ferris]

So, it's looking like Andal Invasion or Westeros without the Dance for the World Build and Arg's idea for the next faction RP, once TWoW dies.

What do you think of a successful Blackfyre Rebellion though?

[Austria and Bavaria]

So, it's looking like Andal Invasion or Westeros without the Dance for the World Build and Arg's idea for the next faction RP, once TWoW dies.

What do you think of a successful Blackfyre Rebellion though?

Definitely RP material, less so for a world build.

[New Ferris]

What do you think of a successful Blackfyre Rebellion though?

Definitely RP material, less so for a world build.

I might work on an OOC on that. I'll do research first.

[Austria and Bavaria]

Poll is up.

[Austria and Bavaria]

Definitely RP material, less so for a world build.

I might work on an OOC on that. I'll do research first.

Just do it.

[Argentumurbem]

With the world-building of a Targ-era alt-Westeros, where would we start?

[Lunas Legion]

Well, we need to prevent the Dance of the Dragons from happening for a start.

[Austria and Bavaria]

That's simple. Viserys I never remarries and the realm accepts Rhaenyra as queen.

[Lunas Legion]

That's simple. Viserys I never remarries and the realm accepts Rhaenyra as queen.

That works. So where do we go from there?

[Argentumurbem]

But I hate her. Like, so much. Though what about after her? Do the Velaryon - see Strong bastards - children inherit with a name change or how are we playing it?

That entire war reeks of "Rhaenyra was the good guy, look at all the fan favourites on her side" which is why I have come to prefer anything alt-history in regards to it.

EDIT:

Anyway that me aff for a snooze... reserve...is this for a faction rp or character? Or numerous? Reserve Dragonrider, crown claimant, westerlands

I will come back in 18 hours-ish and we can compare notes.

[Austria and Bavaria]

But I hate her. Like, so much. Though what about after her? Do the Velaryon - see Strong bastards - children inherit with a name change or how are we playing it?

Hmm... that's a good question. I will have to think on that. What do you guys think?

[New Ferris]

But I hate her. Like, so much. Though what about after her? Do the Velaryon - see Strong bastards - children inherit with a name change or how are we playing it?

That entire war reeks of "Rhaenyra was the good guy, look at all the fan favourites on her side" which is why I have come to prefer anything alt-history in regards to it.

EDIT:

Anyway that me aff for a snooze... reserve...is this for a faction rp or character? Or numerous? Reserve Dragonrider, crown claimant, westerlands

I will come back in 18 hours-ish and we can compare notes.

We gotta find a way to limit the amount of Dragonriders or somehow nerf the dragons so that we don't have a hundred fields of fires happening. Such a thing would be boring if entire armies are laid to waste every other battle.