Tales of Two Horizons OOC-Open

[Senkaku]

Tagging for interest. I'm thinking if there still is something worth it in Europe, and if not, probably South America. Suggestions, anyone?

Hungary was recently dropped by its player.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Tagging for interest. I'm thinking if there still is something worth it in Europe, and if not, probably South America. Suggestions, anyone?

Hungary was recently dropped by its player.

Hungary was reclaimed by Kisinger. The only two nations in South America that have claimed however are Brasil and Chile

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

So I broke my ankle. How's everyone elses day goin?

A paltry break?
I had five sprains and tears that required surgery this year in my ankle

Unrelated, Sen and I worked out a Japan

[Western Pacific Territories]

Am I accepted?

[Sveltlana]

My post has been finished: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=356890&p=26314063#p26314063

I will respond to China and Columbia in my next post, which will also deal with the (short) Guerra de 1835.

[Jaslandia]

Sorry about not making an IC post today; I was busy with homework. I'll try to have a post up tomorrow.

[Alleniana]

All I want is Venetian Lombardy and Venetian Emilia so I can crush Milan between the two parts of my nation. Yo Swissland, wanna help me crush Milan and you get the Ticino?

Considering this is a German-swiss state, I doubt they're interest in Ticino. But what do I know.

Psh, no. In fact, we'll put the highest bidder on the ballot for a plebiscite in Italian Tyrol. The German people don't want Italians in the country, the Italian people don't want to be in a German country. As soon as it's politically (and economically) expedient, Tyrol will be gotten rid of.

So I broke my ankle. How's everyone elses day goin?

D:
ur ankel

@Auchterland, there's some Italian and German little states, and unification for both is being talked about

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Considering this is a German-swiss state, I doubt they're interest in Ticino. But what do I know.

Psh, no. In fact, we'll put the highest bidder on the ballot for a plebiscite in Italian Tyrol. The German people don't want Italians in the country, the Italian people don't want to be in a German country. As soon as it's politically (and economically) expedient, Tyrol will be gotten rid of.

So I broke my ankle. How's everyone elses day goin?

D:
ur ankel

@Auchterland, there's some Italian and German little states, and unification for both is being talked about

>23% of Graubunden is Italian

[Kisinger]

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=356890&p=26347593#p26347593

Post about Simon's personal life is done.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I believe it is almost time to pull a Putin and Crimea Minnesota from Nova Gallia.

[Senkaku]

Well, once I finish this post, expect my next one to have a very spectacular implosion event in Dongjing. Possibly involving the death of the Son of Heaven (haven't decided yet).

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I've updated my master map.

Here is version one.

And version two.

Please note version two is not entirely in the IC just yet. I am going to create the Department of the Interior in my current post and their first action will be to hire people to draw up some borders for some organized territories. I have also expanded my claims/conflicting claims a tiny bit for logical reasons (border prettiness, negotiation tactics, actual reasons for wanting the land, etc.). I also named von Johansen's Land and Oregon Country. You will notice Wisconsin and Superior are still states despite not being states ICly. That will change soon enough.

Now, it is time to mobilize the army and just walk into what we claim as Franklin and take it.

[Senkaku]

Altito, you've been inactive- I'm going to post the initial Chinese assault on Java, Borneo, and Mindanao.

[Alleniana]

Psh, no. In fact, we'll put the highest bidder on the ballot for a plebiscite in Italian Tyrol. The German people don't want Italians in the country, the Italian people don't want to be in a German country. As soon as it's politically (and economically) expedient, Tyrol will be gotten rid of.
D:
ur ankel

@Auchterland, there's some Italian and German little states, and unification for both is being talked about

>23% of Graubunden is Italian

We don't own Moesa, because the Vicky 2 map is like that, and lack of rights for the Italians in the region (as compared to RL) would drive emigration and the increase of German-speakers. Combined with butterfly ethnic AHing, there's basically much fewer Italians than IRL, barely any.

I believe it is almost time to pull a Putin and Crimea Minnesota from Nova Gallia.

Why go for that scrap of land? "From fewer than 6,120 people in 1850..."

[Elepis]

Tagging for interest. I'm thinking if there still is something worth it in Europe, and if not, probably South America. Suggestions, anyone?

Austria-Bavaria is probably the most powerful one that is still open

[Relikai]

Cleared up some grammar and inserted dates for my first IC. Commencing the first Dutch action for the campaign...

[Alleniana]

Tagging for interest. I'm thinking if there still is something worth it in Europe, and if not, probably South America. Suggestions, anyone?

Austria-Bavaria is probably the most powerful one that is still open

It's not open, is it?

[Relikai]

Altito, you've been inactive- I'm going to post the initial Chinese assault on Java, Borneo, and Mindanao.

Wut. It coincides with some attacks Dutch Australia is planning too xD but you do have initiative. I only started mobilization in March.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Application

Name: Most Serene Republic of Genoa and Savoy
Symbols:

(Image)

Claims: 5, 33 is claimed.
Power: Little to none.

Government Structure: Unitary Oligarchic Republic officially. (in reality, a hereditary dictatorship)
Ideology/Policy: Republican
Leaders: Florestan I, Doge of Genoa, Corsica, Savoy, and Piedmont, Prince of Monaco
Capital City: Genoa

Population: 941,000
Primary Ethnic Group: North Italian
Minority Ethnic Groups: French, Swiss
Description of Ethnicity: Italian. Pretty simple.
Language: Also Italian
Religion: Roman Catholic

Foreign Relations: Good with France, Switzerland, Papal States, Tuscany, and most Italian states, bad with Milan.
Military Information: Pretty much the same as every other country
Army Size: 19,000
Navy Size: 600 sailors, 100 officers(captains, first officers, etc), 300 marine forces

Frigate Beroldo, 44 guns.
Frigate Des Geneys, 44 guns.
Corvette Euridice, 32 guns.
Frigate S. Michele, 62 guns.
Brigantine Aurora, 20 guns.
Corvette Aquila, 18 guns.
Corvette S. Giovanni, 32 guns.
Brigantine Daino, 14 guns.
Brigantine Colombo, 18 guns.
Brigantine Eridanus, 18 guns.

Economic Policy: Capitalist, Trade-based.
Economic Situation: Decent economy, Italian states were known to be rather rich due to their central position between major Mediterranean trade routes. Most money comes from trade, and the cities of Ajaccio(on Corsica) and Genoa(on the mainland) are major trade centers and ports, with Genoa being the capital and Ajaccio housing the naval headquarters.
Infrastructure: First world European infrastructure system, education could use some improvement but overall relatively good infrastructure.
Imports & Exports: Exports: Wine, Cheese(not kidding, link here), other food products, resources, ores from the Alps
Imports: Fairly self-reliant, but imports exotic foods, materials, and other luxuries from other nations.
Currency: Genovino

History:
1672: Second Genoese-Savoyard War begins. Genoa, despite being surprised by the initial attack, pushes back against Savoy and begins to occupy Savoyard land.
1673: Genoese troops siege and occupy Turin, Genoese Navy occupies Monaco, Savoy moves capital to Chambéry.
(POD)French efforts to end the war fail, and France withdraws from negotiations to focus on it's own problems at home.
1674: Genoa annexes Monaco, Genoese troops crush Savoyard troops at the Battle of Chambéry. Savoy surrenders and is annexed by Genoa.
1675-1797: Genoa and Savoy is formed as a unitary republic of both Genoa and Savoy, not much else happens.
1797-1799: Genoa-Milan War. Genoa and Milan wage war over Piedmont(Piedmont not already occupied by Savoy). Geno-Savoyard Troops crush Milan, taking Piedmont. Relations between Milan and Genoa-Savoy remain hostile, and Genoa-Savoy claims the entirety of Milan.
1800-1835: The idea of Greater Genoa-Savoy is formed(it would later be called Genoese Irridentism). Greater Genoa-Savoy includes the island of Sardinia, the Kingdom of Milan, the Crimea, Catalonian Algeria and part of Catalonian Tunisia. The Doge of Genoa and Savoy adopts the title of Prince of Monaco to his name.
Miscellaneous: Not really anything else.
RP Example:

Shogunate of Shikoku-Kanto:

The Shogun Tokugawa Tsunayoshi sat on the Chrysanthemum Throne, the throne of the Japanese people, the great throne of the united Shogunates of Shikoku and Kanto, arisen from small city-states to a grand empire. With the clang of steel on steel, the mighty Samurai of the Shogun trained outside, with boys becoming men, and, for the first time, girls becoming mighty warrior women. In a break of tradition, the Shogun had, much to the chagrin of his Advisor and constant nagging from his wife, decided to allow a small group of 10 teenage girls into the Palace to train as Samurai. They would train for a decade, until the final ritual were they would become not women, but Samurai Warriors, great soldiers of the Shogun. The Great Shogun watched as a messenger ran up to the Palace, and one of the female Samurai was asked by her trainer to deliver the message to the Shogun, as fast as possible. She ran inside, bowing before the Shogun. "Oh mighty Shogun of Shikoku, Kanto, and the Japanese people, chosen by the gods and just ruler of the United Shogunates, a message is sent for you from the Dutch, men of Europe, of the Far West". The Shogun simply raised an eyebrow before speaking. "You may rise, chosen of the Josei Samurai. You as well are chosen by the gods for a great task, of being the first of the Josei Samurai. I can only hope you prove yourself worthy. What is this message from the men of the Dutch lands? Is it for trade, or war?". The Josei Samurai, named Aino, rose, before answering. "I will prove my country and family proud, and bring honor to my family name and the Great Shogun, fifth of the mighty Tokugawa. The Dutch men speak of trade. They wish for our ports to be opened to Dutch trade. If I may input my personal opinion...". She waited for the Shoguns approval, and when he nodded, she continued. "The Dutch have a mighty navy, and we do not. We could work out an agreement with them in exchange for some things: the Japanese would open their ports to Dutch trade and agree to support the Dutch colonial effort, and in exchange the Dutch would help the Japanese build a navy in the style of Europe, and allow us to claim the islands of New Japan(Philippines) for the Shogunate. This would allow Japan to expand to a favorable extent, and give us a base for future colonization". The Shogun nodded, and added something he deemed important. "I want another letter sent to the Ainu State as well. An alliance proposition. A mutual defence pact, against threats our two nations may face". The Josei Samurai nodded, running out to tell the messenger what to write. With the clang of steel on steel, the Josei Samurai once again began to train.

To the Dutch Republic:
To the Most Honorable Willem van Outhoorn, Governor-General of the Dutch East Indies,
His Majesty, the Great Shogun of Shikoku and Kanto, Tokugawa Tsunayoshi accepts your proposal for a trade agreement, with a couple of added clauses. Shikoku-Kanto has no navy, and we desperately need one to protect our island nation from attack. Shikoku-Kanto wishes for, in exchange for the opening of Japanese ports to trade, that the Dutch help us build a navy styled after Europe. We also wish for Dutch permission to set up a colony on the islands of New Japan, what the Spaniards call "The Philippines". I expect your response soon, great nation.

To the Ainu State:
To the leader of the Ainu Peoples,
The Mighty Shogun of Shikoko-Kanto would like to propose an alliance between our two nations for the mutual defense of the Japanese Island Archipelago. This alliance would benifit out two nations because of the dual threats of China and Europeam Colonialism. I expect your response soon, great leader.
Note: The messages to the two nations originally were in boxes, but due to conflicts with the application coding, the boxes around the messages were deleted.

429

Done.

Edited military numbers.

[The Jonathanian States]

Application

Name: Most Serene Republic of Genoa and Savoy
Symbols:

(Image)

Claims: 5, 33 is claimed.
Power: Little to none.

Government Structure: Unitary Oligarchic Republic officially. (in reality, a hereditary dictatorship)
Ideology/Policy: Republican
Leaders: Florestan I, Doge of Genoa, Corsica, Savoy, and Piedmont, Prince of Monaco
Capital City: Genoa

Population: 941,000
Primary Ethnic Group: North Italian
Minority Ethnic Groups: French, Swiss
Description of Ethnicity: Italian. Pretty simple.
Language: Also Italian
Religion: Roman Catholic

Foreign Relations: Good with France, Switzerland, Papal States, Tuscany, and most Italian states, bad with Milan.
Military Information: Pretty much the same as every other country
Army Size: 19,000
Navy Size: 600 sailors, 100 officers(captains, first officers, etc), 300 marine forces

Frigate Beroldo, 44 guns.
Frigate Des Geneys, 44 guns.
Corvette Euridice, 32 guns.
Frigate S. Michele, 62 guns.
Brigantine Aurora, 20 guns.
Corvette Aquila, 18 guns.
Corvette S. Giovanni, 32 guns.
Brigantine Daino, 14 guns.
Brigantine Colombo, 18 guns.
Brigantine Eridanus, 18 guns.

Economic Policy: Capitalist, Trade-based.
Economic Situation: Decent economy, Italian states were known to be rather rich due to their central position between major Mediterranean trade routes. Most money comes from trade, and the cities of Ajaccio(on Corsica) and Genoa(on the mainland) are major trade centers and ports, with Genoa being the capital and Ajaccio housing the naval headquarters.
Infrastructure: First world European infrastructure system, education could use some improvement but overall relatively good infrastructure.
Imports & Exports: Exports: Wine, Cheese(not kidding, link here), other food products, resources, ores from the Alps
Imports: Fairly self-reliant, but imports exotic foods, materials, and other luxuries from other nations.
Currency: Genovino

History:
1672: Second Genoese-Savoyard War begins. Genoa, despite being surprised by the initial attack, pushes back against Savoy and begins to occupy Savoyard land.
1673: Genoese troops siege and occupy Turin, Genoese Navy occupies Monaco, Savoy moves capital to Chambéry.
(POD)French efforts to end the war fail, and France withdraws from negotiations to focus on it's own problems at home.
1674: Genoa annexes Monaco, Genoese troops crush Savoyard troops at the Battle of Chambéry. Savoy surrenders and is annexed by Genoa.
1675-1797: Genoa and Savoy is formed as a unitary republic of both Genoa and Savoy, not much else happens.
1797-1799: Genoa-Milan War. Genoa and Milan wage war over Piedmont(Piedmont not already occupied by Savoy). Geno-Savoyard Troops crush Milan, taking Piedmont. Relations between Milan and Genoa-Savoy remain hostile, and Genoa-Savoy claims the entirety of Milan.
1800-1835: The idea of Greater Genoa-Savoy is formed(it would later be called Genoese Irridentism). Greater Genoa-Savoy includes the island of Sardinia, the Kingdom of Milan, the Crimea, Catalonian Algeria and part of Catalonian Tunisia. The Doge of Genoa and Savoy adopts the title of Prince of Monaco to his name.
Miscellaneous: Not really anything else.
RP Example:

Shogunate of Shikoku-Kanto:

The Shogun Tokugawa Tsunayoshi sat on the Chrysanthemum Throne, the throne of the Japanese people, the great throne of the united Shogunates of Shikoku and Kanto, arisen from small city-states to a grand empire. With the clang of steel on steel, the mighty Samurai of the Shogun trained outside, with boys becoming men, and, for the first time, girls becoming mighty warrior women. In a break of tradition, the Shogun had, much to the chagrin of his Advisor and constant nagging from his wife, decided to allow a small group of 10 teenage girls into the Palace to train as Samurai. They would train for a decade, until the final ritual were they would become not women, but Samurai Warriors, great soldiers of the Shogun. The Great Shogun watched as a messenger ran up to the Palace, and one of the female Samurai was asked by her trainer to deliver the message to the Shogun, as fast as possible. She ran inside, bowing before the Shogun. "Oh mighty Shogun of Shikoku, Kanto, and the Japanese people, chosen by the gods and just ruler of the United Shogunates, a message is sent for you from the Dutch, men of Europe, of the Far West". The Shogun simply raised an eyebrow before speaking. "You may rise, chosen of the Josei Samurai. You as well are chosen by the gods for a great task, of being the first of the Josei Samurai. I can only hope you prove yourself worthy. What is this message from the men of the Dutch lands? Is it for trade, or war?". The Josei Samurai, named Aino, rose, before answering. "I will prove my country and family proud, and bring honor to my family name and the Great Shogun, fifth of the mighty Tokugawa. The Dutch men speak of trade. They wish for our ports to be opened to Dutch trade. If I may input my personal opinion...". She waited for the Shoguns approval, and when he nodded, she continued. "The Dutch have a mighty navy, and we do not. We could work out an agreement with them in exchange for some things: the Japanese would open their ports to Dutch trade and agree to support the Dutch colonial effort, and in exchange the Dutch would help the Japanese build a navy in the style of Europe, and allow us to claim the islands of New Japan(Philippines) for the Shogunate. This would allow Japan to expand to a favorable extent, and give us a base for future colonization". The Shogun nodded, and added something he deemed important. "I want another letter sent to the Ainu State as well. An alliance proposition. A mutual defence pact, against threats our two nations may face". The Josei Samurai nodded, running out to tell the messenger what to write. With the clang of steel on steel, the Josei Samurai once again began to train.

To the Dutch Republic:
To the Most Honorable Willem van Outhoorn, Governor-General of the Dutch East Indies,
His Majesty, the Great Shogun of Shikoku and Kanto, Tokugawa Tsunayoshi accepts your proposal for a trade agreement, with a couple of added clauses. Shikoku-Kanto has no navy, and we desperately need one to protect our island nation from attack. Shikoku-Kanto wishes for, in exchange for the opening of Japanese ports to trade, that the Dutch help us build a navy styled after Europe. We also wish for Dutch permission to set up a colony on the islands of New Japan, what the Spaniards call "The Philippines". I expect your response soon, great nation.

To the Ainu State:
To the leader of the Ainu Peoples,
The Mighty Shogun of Shikoko-Kanto would like to propose an alliance between our two nations for the mutual defense of the Japanese Island Archipelago. This alliance would benifit out two nations because of the dual threats of China and Europeam Colonialism. I expect your response soon, great leader.
Note: The messages to the two nations originally were in boxes, but due to conflicts with the application coding, the boxes around the messages were deleted.

429

Done.

Edited military numbers.

Not an OP, so there's that, but still:
Wouldn't a unitary republic (or "republic", for that matter") want to reduce rather than maintain identities that predate that state's rule, such as the Savoyard or Monegasque identities?
(The former being given seemingly equal status in name, while the second one is a title of the ruler, almost as if it weren't seen as part of Genoa(-Savoy) proper...)

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Also I question the population of Genoa-Savoy. Surely the region has more than 941,000 people in 1830.

[Elepis]

Austria-Bavaria is probably the most powerful one that is still open

It's not open, is it?

I think it is open,

[Elepis]

It's not open, is it?

I think it is open,

Oh, I was wrong, it is App IP (been awhile though)

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

I think it is open,

Oh, I was wrong, it is App IP (been awhile though)

It might open soon, I need to tg the person that was working on it

[Elepis]

Sorry guys (namely Persia), I won't get a post up today (even though I said I would), I feel rather ill.