Tales of Two Horizons OOC-Open

[Terminus Alpha]

Any ideas about what I can post about? The Louisiana purchase is a no-go and Iberia isn't going to sell me Cuba, so I'm just sort of left high and dry here.

Purchase Texas and encroach Louisiana.
Probs shouldn't do this.
Anyways, thanks for accepting my app. @Glit

Brits wouldn't let me buy the Bahamas. Even if I was crazy enough to try, they'd just say no.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

When Oda Japan is accepted, we will send a sole samurai to fight you.

Regarding Oda Japan, I have conversed with Sen, Japan can indeed be advanced, but it probably should have risen more from China into Albion's arms sort of thing, as the Differences between High Eastern and Western stuffs are actually pretty minute, enough so that "Westernising" would be more of an aesthetic change if anything for you.

Sen can probably help more with it, as he has the Song power to explain some of the changes you might see earlier.

It copied the Chinese Bureaucracy, if that's what you are asking.

[Kryskov]

Get in line. There's no stopping us.

HUEHUEHUE...oh...oh wait you're serious...

I'm sure the honorable Italian players understand that to truly unite Italy all but one must give up their nation, else it be nothing more than a league that can easily be disassembled forever by more fortunate Mediterranean powers.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Regarding Oda Japan, I have conversed with Sen, Japan can indeed be advanced, but it probably should have risen more from China into Albion's arms sort of thing, as the Differences between High Eastern and Western stuffs are actually pretty minute, enough so that "Westernising" would be more of an aesthetic change if anything for you.

Sen can probably help more with it, as he has the Song power to explain some of the changes you might see earlier.

It copied the Chinese Bureaucracy, if that's what you are asking.

The Gap between High Western an High Eastern Technologies is low enough that you probably would have gone with China for advancement before switching to Albion out of opportunism

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Politics, social progress, the state of slavery in your nations, ideas for invention, royal balls, character development 'U'

Slavery's been over for a while, and I have a feeling any sort of character or national development is going to get lost when Columbia decides to screw me over an annex me.

I don't think columbia is going to be the problem. The Ori Crusade Iberians are from the sounds of it ;U;

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

It copied the Chinese Bureaucracy, if that's what you are asking.

The Gap between High Western an High Eastern Technologies is low enough that you probably would have gone with China for advancement before switching to Albion out of opportunism

Ahh. Probably in the beginning, till the 1600's. But Iberia would have represented a "safer" way to get technology, as it is both farther and less expansionist than China. And Britain would have been latched onto because Industrial Revolution/It isn't as threatening as China.

[Rudaslavia]

I just noticed that I misplaced Piedmont-Corsica in the Foreign Relations section of my app. Tuscany is supportive of Piedmont-Corsica, not against it (obviously, since the Tuscan Queen is of Sardinian descent). France, however, is still somewhat resented by the Tuscans for Napoleon's invasion.

[Rudaslavia]

Get in line. There's no stopping us.

HUEHUEHUE...oh...oh wait you're serious...

I'm sure the honorable Italian players understand that to truly unite Italy all but one must give up their nation, else it be nothing more than a league that can easily be disassembled forever by more fortunate Mediterranean powers.

That is far from true. Federal monarchies can allow semi-autonomy amongst states.

[Terminus Alpha]

Slavery's been over for a while, and I have a feeling any sort of character or national development is going to get lost when Columbia decides to screw me over an annex me.

I don't think columbia is going to be the problem. The Ori Crusade Iberians are from the sounds of it ;U;

Iberia can't do anything in the Western Hemisphere. He'd like to try, but then they'd be fighting in our territorial waters, with a supply line as long as the Atlantic. That's why Spain never was able to reclaim it's colonies IRL.

[Senkaku]

The Gap between High Western an High Eastern Technologies is low enough that you probably would have gone with China for advancement before switching to Albion out of opportunism

Ahh. Probably in the beginning, till the 1600's. But Iberia would have represented a "safer" way to get technology, as it is both farther and less expansionist than China. And Britain would have been latched onto because Industrial Revolution/It isn't as threatening as China.

Some of this makes sense, some of it less so. I'll telegram you about it, alright?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Ahh. Probably in the beginning, till the 1600's. But Iberia would have represented a "safer" way to get technology, as it is both farther and less expansionist than China. And Britain would have been latched onto because Industrial Revolution/It isn't as threatening as China.

Some of this makes sense, some of it less so. I'll telegram you about it, alright?

Or hop on the IRC

[Baja California y Sonora]

I don't think columbia is going to be the problem. The Ori Crusade Iberians are from the sounds of it ;U;

Iberia can't do anything in the Western Hemisphere. He'd like to try, but then they'd be fighting in our territorial waters, with a supply line as long as the Atlantic. That's why Spain never was able to reclaim it's colonies IRL.

Then why not just take Cuba?

[Kryskov]

That is far from true. Federal monarchies can allow semi-autonomy amongst states.

Then you would all have to subject yourself to one ruler, and with Genoa, Sicilies, Venice, and the Papal States, I would highly doubt this would end well.

[Kisinger]

That is far from true. Federal monarchies can allow semi-autonomy amongst states.

Then you would all have to subject yourself to one ruler, and with Genoa, Sicilies, Venice, and the Papal States, I would highly doubt this would end well.

It's not going too....

[Alleniana]

Another "republic"!!!...

Japan?

Genoa-Savoy

Unifying Italy?!?


SEND IN THE HUSSARS!



CALT MARRY ME YOU PLEB

We ruled the continent once! IT SHALL BE SO AGAIN!

Morte a coloro che ci terrebbe a parte!

>not using Latin
:c

HUEHUEHUE...oh...oh wait you're serious...

I'm sure the honorable Italian players understand that to truly unite Italy all but one must give up their nation, else it be nothing more than a league that can easily be disassembled forever by more fortunate Mediterranean powers.

That is far from true. Federal monarchies can allow semi-autonomy amongst states.

I mean, it wouldn't be a far cry for the Italians to form a German Confederation-like thing, which would probably work better for them than for the Germans since their nations are mostly similarly sized. I would imagine that such a league could well defend against Catalonia, maybe Hungary, even, though not compete with "proper" GPs like France.

Some of this makes sense, some of it less so. I'll telegram you about it, alright?

Or hop on the IRC

What channel?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

By the way Columbia's ambitions lie westward, not south.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I am on the Kylaris Chatzy.

[Rudaslavia]

That is far from true. Federal monarchies can allow semi-autonomy amongst states.

Then you would all have to subject yourself to one ruler, and with Genoa, Sicilies, Venice, and the Papal States, I would highly doubt this would end well.

In some way or another, yes. I never said that a unified Italy would fall beneath Tuscan authority. Besides, "subjecting" one's nation to another isn't always a stamp of weakness or defeat. Hell, Bavaria retained its own king and even had a standing army under the regime of the German Empire.

I'm merely interested in seeing what happens...

[Senkaku]

I am on the Kylaris Chatzy.

Oh, okay. I was gonna say, when did we get an IRC?


Well, I saw this after I TGed you anyways, so w/e

[Kryskov]

Then you would all have to subject yourself to one ruler, and with Genoa, Sicilies, Venice, and the Papal States, I would highly doubt this would end well.

In some way or another, yes. I never said that a unified Italy would fall beneath Tuscan authority. Besides, "subjecting" one's nation to another isn't always a stamp of weakness or defeat. Hell, Bavaria retained its own king and even had a standing army under the regime of the German Empire.

I'm merely interested in seeing what happens...

Ah but it also collapsed when the rest of the nation did...

[Alleniana]

guys pls
It could easily just be some kind of Italian Confederation like the German one is; customs union, pledge not to fight each other, small federal army for protecting each other
basically a giant economic zone and mutual defence pact

[Kryskov]

guys pls
It could easily just be some kind of Italian Confederation like the German one is; customs union, pledge not to fight each other, small federal army for protecting each other
basically a giant economic zone and mutual defence pact

until honhonhon araghon comes in

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

guys pls
It could easily just be some kind of Italian Confederation like the German one is; customs union, pledge not to fight each other, small federal army for protecting each other
basically a giant economic zone and mutual defence pact

I did that in the North Italian Confederation back in Calt's 1853 RP Guns, Drums, and Steel. It's not illogical, but has to be done tastefully. It was a little more central with confederal elections and a parliament and such, but still.

But as I said, it's not impossible. It just has to be done properly aka not magically out of no where. And I'm sure the European powers won't like their spherlings in Italy straying.

[Rudaslavia]

In some way or another, yes. I never said that a unified Italy would fall beneath Tuscan authority. Besides, "subjecting" one's nation to another isn't always a stamp of weakness or defeat. Hell, Bavaria retained its own king and even had a standing army under the regime of the German Empire.

I'm merely interested in seeing what happens...

Ah but it also collapsed when the rest of the nation did...

It collapsed when the Treaty of Versailles intentionally ripped it to shreds. And shit, the French only designed the Treaty to do so in order to prevent Germany's military revival. Had Germany won the Great War (which it almost did), the Kingdom of Bavaria would have remained quite strong. The German federal monarchy was one of the world's most powerful governments. I pray Italy will follow a similar path.

guys pls
It could easily just be some kind of Italian Confederation like the German one is; customs union, pledge not to fight each other, small federal army for protecting each other
basically a giant economic zone and mutual defence pact

I did that in the North Italian Confederation back in Calt's 1853 RP Guns, Drums, and Steel. It's not illogical, but has to be done tastefully. It was a little more central with confederal elections and a parliament and such, but still.

But as I said, it's not impossible. It just has to be done properly aka not magically out of no where. And I'm sure the European powers won't like their spherlings in Italy straying.

Agreed. But I believe there is potential.

[Kryskov]

It collapsed when the Treaty of Versailles intentionally ripped it to shreds. And shit, the French only designed the Treaty to do so in order to prevent Germany's military revival. Had Germany won the Great War (which it almost did), the Kingdom of Bavaria would have remained quite strong. The German federal monarchy was one of the world's most powerful governments. I pray Italy will follow a similar path.

You misunderstand me. I meant to say that, were Bavaria a separate entity from the German Empire completely, then it wouldn't have suffered the same fate as the rest of the countries. For surely, if you throw your lot in with the rest and form a nation, you have to be equally willing to share the profit AND the loss.