Tales of Two Horizons OOC-Open

[Kisinger]

Or we could offer Louisiana to another member of your little coalition in return for destroying you.

1. Metagame lol
2. Columbia is your ally and our coalition members are the UK (who hate you), Prussia (who hates you) and Hesperia (who we are good buddies with)

We will be getting Louisiane, it depends on you how much more land you want to lose and at what cost.

Prussia hasn't said they will join yet though....

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

1. Metagame lol
2. Columbia is your ally and our coalition members are the UK (who hate you), Prussia (who hates you) and Hesperia (who we are good buddies with)

We will be getting Louisiane, it depends on you how much more land you want to lose and at what cost.

Prussia hasn't said they will join yet though....

OOCly from what I remember of Jon and mines last discussion he is in. I just need to clarify icly what the Prussian benefits are so its RP'd properly as they will be doing the bulk of the fighting.

[Terminus Alpha]

There is no bidding war.

You have a letter in the IC right now from Columbia.

You seem us Louisane, or we declare war on you with the coalition we've assembled.

Or we could offer Louisiana to another member of your little coalition in return for destroying you.

If you're referring to me, I don't want all of colonial Louisiana and I'm not keen on antagonizing the only other major power in America.

[Yaana Noore]

Or we could offer Louisiana to another member of your little coalition in return for destroying you.

1. Metagame lol
2. Columbia is your ally and our coalition members are the UK (who hate you), Prussia (who hates you) and Hesperia (who we are good buddies with)

We will be getting Louisiane, it depends on you how much more land you want to lose and at what cost.

Yeah, I was joking. But it wouldn't be metagame if you declared war, and we wouldn't be allies. We would be at war. Don't the Brits hate you also? You were rebels, remember. If you occupty Louisiana I could offer them the opportunity to gain Louisiana and help retake that rebellious old colony of theirs. What is anyone even gaining from giving you land? We're not the ones aggresively expanding. If fact we'e stopping you doing so.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

The Brits are apathetic towards us. It's the old politicians that are salty in my country.

The British from what I've gathered want to smash you among several other people, so.

Regardless, there's no reason not to sell me the land. Considering we are willing to pay a good penny.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

What's a good size for the Modernized Venetian fleet? And Technology level of it?

[Yaana Noore]

The Brits are apathetic towards us. It's the old politicians that are salty in my country.

The British from what I've gathered want to smash you among several other people, so.

Regardless, there's no reason not to sell me the land. Considering we are willing to pay a good penny.

They already did smash us. In the past, anyway. We've gone from empire to kingdom and had a revolution as well. Louis Philippe pursues a pro-British foreign policy also, as do key figures. Or the Brits could help their rebel colony expand, who have never pursued British interests before, and who they had warred with just as recently as us.

Nothing can be done until I'm accepted anyway. As long as the offer is good there shouldn't be problems.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Have you happened to check the IC for the letter?

Would you consider those terms good?

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Reservation

Name of the State: Kingdom of Scandanavia
Area to be reserved: 8
Code: 635

Noted

Reservation

Name of the State:Kingdom of Valencia and the Catalans
Area to be reserved: 4
Code: 635

Just a note, can the name be changed? Having a toponym and a demonym in the name of the state seems a bit wonky.

Noted

and yes, you may change the name

Reserve Mali please.


I'm assuming that sense Mali still exists that West Africa is far more stable and advanced than IRL, as a non-fractured region means less slave trade.

pssst, yuse the reserve form ;U;

Welp then.

Reservation

Name of the State: Kingdom of Belgium.
Area to be reserved: 6. (Number on the Roster)
Code: 635

(Remove everything within the (round) brackets - INCLUDING THIS...)

Noted

[Western Pacific Territories]

Am I accepted.

[Relikai]

@Britain

Split SouthEast Asia between us ploxxy ?

[Kryskov]

I'd like an explanation as to how Catalonia can be claimed by Two Sicilies by "Bourbon succession."

[Conwy-Shire]

I'd like an explanation as to how Catalonia can be claimed by Two Sicilies by "Bourbon succession."

The Bourbon dynasty used to own your land... Sicily is ruled by a Bourbon

[Senkaku]

@Britain

Split SouthEast Asia between us ploxxy ?

@Western barbarians do you have a death wish?

[Empire of Gibraltar]

@Mamluks, what will happen if Russia invades me, you're both of our allies? And would you be willing to support me in the conquest of Central Asia?

[Kryskov]

I'd like an explanation as to how Catalonia can be claimed by Two Sicilies by "Bourbon succession."

The Bourbon dynasty used to own your land... Sicily is ruled by a Bourbon

Spain used to own my land. What is the precedence of this dynastic free-for-all?

[Conwy-Shire]

The Bourbon dynasty used to own your land... Sicily is ruled by a Bourbon

Spain used to own my land. What is the precedence of this dynastic free-for-all?

a) Europe is a dynastic free-for-all in practice
b) look at the Maps Thread for actual claims
c) Spain was ruled by a Bourbon (as detailed in my history) - and the Sicilian Bourbons are a junior branch of the dynasty

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

The Bourbon dynasty used to own your land... Sicily is ruled by a Bourbon

Spain used to own my land. What is the precedence of this dynastic free-for-all?

So what were you going to rename your nation to anywho?

[Conwy-Shire]

So what were you going to rename your nation to anywho?

*Territory of Sicily* would sound nice honhonhon

- but seriously, I really need to finish this first post

[Kryskov]

Spain used to own my land. What is the precedence of this dynastic free-for-all?

a) Europe is a dynastic free-for-all in practice
b) look at the Maps Thread for actual claims
c) Spain was ruled by a Bourbon (as detailed in my history) - and the Sicilian Bourbons are a junior branch of the dynasty

a) I wouldn't call it that, at least not in the same sense as you're implying.
b) I've noticed but the reasoning behind it is unknown to me.
c) Right but that direct Bourbon (Iberian) line is the only one who inherit claims. It's illogical for Sicily to have the same claims as their Iberian counterparts.

@OP: Probably "The Kingdom of Catalonia, Valencia, and the Isles," but I'm throwing in some acceptable, though unofficial, names to help others.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

snip

Accepted, trusting you expand economic information as discussed

[Conwy-Shire]

a) I wouldn't call it that, at least not in the same sense as you're implying.
b) I've noticed but the reasoning behind it is unknown to me.
c) Right but that direct Bourbon (Iberian) line is the only one who inherit claims. It's illogical for Sicily to have the same claims as their Iberian counterparts.

@OP: Probably "The Kingdom of Catalonia, Valencia, and the Isles," but I'm throwing in some acceptable, though unofficial, names to help others.

a) I would call it that, though democracies are muddling up dynastic claims
b) research the history of every incarnation of the kingdom of Sicily and get back to me
c) claims don't disappear overnight - England was claiming France in its entirety through cognatic descent until 1800; when their last holding in France (Calais) fell in 1558

[Kryskov]

a) I would call it that, though democracies are muddling up dynastic claims
b) research the history of every incarnation of the kingdom of Sicily and get back to me
c) claims don't disappear overnight - England was claiming France in its entirety through cognatic descent until 1800; when their last holding in France (Calais) fell in 1558

a) I meant not in the sense as you're applying it to Sicily and Catalonia.
b) My grandfather immigrated from Southern Italy. I've studied it vastly. If all Catalonian land is formerly Iberian, there is little to no basis for Sicilian claims to the land unless it submits itself as a vassal of Iberia. I doubt at this point that, if Sardinia was never imposed the Italian language by Savoyards in 1760, there is little basis for a de jure claim on Sardinia as a former part of Italy (the last time it being part of that entity some 500 years before the beginning of the RP).
c) I'm not saying that. If the Plantagenets had, let's say, a junior house in Frisia or something, the junior house wouldn't have any right to claim the French throne, or even part of France.

[Conwy-Shire]

a) I meant not in the sense as you're applying it to Sicily and Catalonia.
b) My grandfather immigrated from Southern Italy. I've studied it vastly. If all Catalonian land is formerly Iberian, there is little to no basis for Sicilian claims to the land unless it submits itself as a vassal of Iberia. I doubt at this point that, if Sardinia was never imposed the Italian language by Savoyards in 1760, there is little basis for a de jure claim on Sardinia as a former part of Italy (the last time it being part of that entity some 500 years before the beginning of the RP).
c) I'm not saying that. If the Plantagenets had, let's say, a junior house in Frisia or something, the junior house wouldn't have any right to claim the French throne, or even part of France.

This is all I'm gonna say

Sicily ---claims----> lands you own

do you have an issue with that?

[Kryskov]

This is all I'm gonna say

Sicily ---claims----> lands you own

do you have an issue with that?

Yes.