A World Without America II [Invite Only, See Within / OOC ]

[Unicario]

NS Name: of the Quendi
Nation Claimed: The Habsburg Dynasty
Head of State: Empress Dowager Maria Theresia (as matriarch over the Austrian territories) and Joseph II (as Holy Roman Emperor)
Head of Government: Varies by territory, with Wenzel Anton, Prince of Kaunitz-Rietberg as State Chancellor and Foreign Minister for the empire as a whole
Capital: none de jure, de facto Vienna
Government type (as of 1773): Absolute monarchy (Austria) and feudal confederal elective monarchy (Holy Roman Empire)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there goes my dreams of a Großdeutschland. ;_;

Approved, schweinhund.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Still so hard to pick just where I want to be on the map. If I do, I kinda want to be two nations side by side, and for the 5th or 6th straight time in AWWA History, avoid going into confrontations with other players as much as possible. The only problem is I don't know what countries I want those to be.

[Bojikami]

Still so hard to pick just where I want to be on the map. If I do, I kinda want to be two nations side by side, and for the 5th or 6th straight time in AWWA History, avoid going into confrontations with other players as much as possible. The only problem is I don't know what countries I want those to be.

Argentina and some country that neighbors it?

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Still so hard to pick just where I want to be on the map. If I do, I kinda want to be two nations side by side, and for the 5th or 6th straight time in AWWA History, avoid going into confrontations with other players as much as possible. The only problem is I don't know what countries I want those to be.

Argentina and some country that neighbors it?

I've thought up a long plot about how I could be Brazil and Argentina, and have them dissect one-by-one the independent states between them- Bolivia, Paraguay, Chile, Uruguay, and basically get done with that, while a few puppet states will be made (the Paraguese Republic as a Brazilian puppet) and possibly some minor city-state given autonomy by the Argentinians in order to prove they aren't totally cruel to the world. At this point, the Argentinians and Brazilians (Or their governments so to say) would see how they have gobbled through territory, yet will not be satisfied, as they will go to war with eachother when they had just helped eachother just earlier. Expect from this of course some savage female that goes on genocidal sprees and also some snub-nosed pompous dictator of one of the two and to foil a Democratic, respectable leader of the other nation in order to make it an ultimate fight of good-versus-evil.
However, I cannot reveal whether Brazil will ultimately fall to civil war like in the previous thread. What I will say is that Brazil will care much more about how they are viewed by (When the time comes-) independent America, as well as Western Europe, where as Argentina, frankly won't blink at the entirety of Europe hating them and thinking they're monsters (If it is the Argentinians who became the aggressor)

Sadly, the only thing I'm kind of disappointing about that we're starting at this point is that we have primitive weaponry, when in the old thread we were just getting to the good stuff (Machine Guns, Springfields, High-Powered Artillery, Ironclads and Warships, etc) Waging this war is gonna be pretty dull for me and the chemical weapons (Or lack thereof) will hurt my advancement. If possible, I'd ask that I be allowed to turn history and since we're starting so early, that since this "Cold-War" between Brazil and Argentina won't take more than a year to start and both will become 100% focused on outdoing the other, that great minds in either Brazil, Argentina or both come up with some of the 1800's early weapons- Revolvers, Carbines, Rifles, before the 18th century, but only to that length, as we don't want to get too ahead of ourselves. If not, that's perfectly acceptable and I am up for compromise, I just thought in context of how bad I have this war turning out, that this explanation and reasoning would be valid, and that no one would mind getting some, but not too much later-era weaponry sooner in everyone's timeline. Because obviously Argentina and Brazil would sell them out.

[Unicario]

If anybody's inventing technology ahead of time, it's not revolutionary Argentina or Brazil. You've got to revolt from your masters and *win* first before you can do anything. You'll have to live with 18th century weaponry.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

If anybody's inventing technology ahead of time, it's not revolutionary Argentina or Brazil. You've got to revolt from your masters and *win* first before you can do anything. You'll have to live with 18th century weaponry.

Fine by me either way. Wait!? We're still under Spanish rule?

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Wait is anyone playing as the Colonies?

[Unicario]

If anybody's inventing technology ahead of time, it's not revolutionary Argentina or Brazil. You've got to revolt from your masters and *win* first before you can do anything. You'll have to live with 18th century weaponry.

Fine by me either way. Wait!? We're still under Spanish rule?

It's 1773. None of the Spanish colonies got independent until post-1821 OTL... and nobody's playing the bloody colonies.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Fine by me either way. Wait!? We're still under Spanish rule?

It's 1773. None of the Spanish colonies got independent until post-1821 OTL... and nobody's playing the bloody colonies.

Boji will be controlling them?

[Unicario]

It's 1773. None of the Spanish colonies got independent until post-1821 OTL... and nobody's playing the bloody colonies.

Boji will be controlling them?

Boji is playing as the Viceroyalty of New Granada and the future Republic of Gran Colombia. Similarly, Pimps Inc. is playing as the Viceroyalty of New Spain and will eventually become the Mexican Empire / Republic later on.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Boji will be controlling them?

Boji is playing as the Viceroyalty of New Granada and the future Republic of Gran Colombia. Similarly, Pimps Inc. is playing as the Viceroyalty of New Spain and will eventually become the Mexican Empire / Republic later on.

So you're saying we're not going to allow anyone to play as the Colonies? I'm sorry, I apologize, I'm confused by your previous statement.

[Unicario]

Boji is playing as the Viceroyalty of New Granada and the future Republic of Gran Colombia. Similarly, Pimps Inc. is playing as the Viceroyalty of New Spain and will eventually become the Mexican Empire / Republic later on.

So you're saying we're not going to allow anyone to play as the Colonies? I'm sorry, I apologize, I'm confused by your previous statement.

You're allowed to play as a colony, yes.

[Bojikami]

Wait is anyone playing as the Colonies?

Gran Colombia here.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Hmmm.... if Spain isn't taken yet.....

UNITED SPANISH PENINSULA HERE WE COME!!! And.... Maybe a lot of colonies along the way. I am a Spanish King!

NS Name: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation Claimed: Spanish Empire, which includes Portugal, Equatorial Guinea, the Viceroyalty of New Spain, West Florida and Florida, Santo Domingo, Viceroyalty of New Granada, Viceroyalty of Peru, Viceroyalty of Southern Guyana (Basically anything between British Guyana, Dutch Suriname, and French Guiana, but above Brazil, Viceroyalty of Brasil, Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata, the Viceroyalty of Argentina, Territory of North Morocco (Ceuta, Tangier, Cadiz, etc.), Spanish East Indies, Island of Cuba.
Head of State: King Ferdinand Capello II
Head of Government: N/A
Capital: Madrid
Government type (as of 1773): Absolute Monarchy

[Unicario]

I'm vetoing united Iberia in 1773. Sorry, you'll have to fight for Portugal and her colonies. You only get Spain.

By the way, attempts to retain your colonial empire beyond the point of realism will lead to your empire being torn limb from limb in a very very very very brutal, bloody and not fun way.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

And if I am accepted as Spain, please use this as the flag for the "Cast" if it's not too much to ask, as my Spain is not like regular Spain, and will not be using that flag at all.

[Unicario]

And if I am accepted as Spain, please use this as the flag for the "Cast" if it's not too much to ask, as my Spain is not like regular Spain, and will not be using that flag at all.

This being what. Your flag is this.

[Unicario]

Hmmm.... if Spain isn't taken yet.....

UNITED SPANISH PENINSULA HERE WE COME!!! And.... Maybe a lot of colonies along the way. I am a Spanish King!

NS Name: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation Claimed: Spanish Empire, which includes Portugal, Equatorial Guinea, the Viceroyalty of New Spain, West Florida and Florida, Santo Domingo, Viceroyalty of New Granada, Viceroyalty of Peru, Viceroyalty of Southern Guyana (Basically anything between British Guyana, Dutch Suriname, and French Guiana, but above Brazil, Viceroyalty of Brasil, Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata, the Viceroyalty of Argentina, Territory of North Morocco (Ceuta, Tangier, Cadiz, etc.), Spanish East Indies, Island of Cuba.
Head of State: King Ferdinand Capello II
Head of Government: N/A
Capital: Madrid
Government type (as of 1773): Absolute Monarchy

Please revise your application with the following notes:

- West and East Florida are British colonies in 1773. Spain lost them in the Seven Years War.
- All Portuguese colonies and Portugal itself will remain independent. They're not yours, but you're welcome to try to invade them, but have fun fighting Portugal and others.
- "Viceroyalty of Southern Guyana" doesn't exist.
- Viceroyalty of New Granada is already claimed and played by Bojikami, who is "loyal" to the King of Spain, for now.
- Viceroyalty of New Spain is already claimed and played by Pimps Inc, who is "loyal" to the King of Spain, for now.
- Rio de la Plata and Argentina are the same thing.
- Half of the island of Santo Domingo is French, remember. Haiti. So you get the modern Dominican Republic.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I'm vetoing united Iberia in 1773. Sorry, you'll have to fight for Portugal and her colonies. You only get Spain.

By the way, attempts to retain your colonial empire beyond the point of realism will lead to your empire being torn limb from limb in a very very very very brutal, bloody and not fun way.

I'm not going to regain what Boji and Marxist take from me. Everything else though. Will not see the lime light. The same goes for Portugal's colonies, once (I) defeat Portugal. Which don't worry I will not make easy for myself. Which reminds me, may I reserve Portugal as a duplex nation?

[The Vaktovian Empire]

And if I am accepted as Spain, please use this as the flag for the "Cast" if it's not too much to ask, as my Spain is not like regular Spain, and will not be using that flag at all.

This being what. Your flag is this.

My bad.

[Unicario]

I'm vetoing united Iberia in 1773. Sorry, you'll have to fight for Portugal and her colonies. You only get Spain.

By the way, attempts to retain your colonial empire beyond the point of realism will lead to your empire being torn limb from limb in a very very very very brutal, bloody and not fun way.

I'm not going to regain what Boji and Marxist take from me. Everything else though. Will not see the lime light. The same goes for Portugal's colonies, once (I) defeat Portugal. Which don't worry I will not make easy for myself. Which reminds me, may I reserve Portugal as a duplex nation?

No, you may not.

This being what. Your flag is this.

My bad.

That flag is too anachronistic. Use the Bourbon flag.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I'm not going to regain what Boji and Marxist take from me. Everything else though. Will not see the lime light. The same goes for Portugal's colonies, once (I) defeat Portugal. Which don't worry I will not make easy for myself. Which reminds me, may I reserve Portugal as a duplex nation?

No, you may not.

My bad.

That flag is too anachronistic. Use the Bourbon flag.

Isn't that what we're trying to accomplish here, somewhat of a lack therof of anachronisticism. I'm sure not all of our nation's are exactly 100% as they were for the time period.

[Unicario]

It's just a flag, mate. Or change it ICly.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

It's just a flag, mate. Or change it ICly.

Right.

[Of the Quendi]

NS Name: of the Quendi
Nation Claimed: The Habsburg Dynasty
Head of State: Empress Dowager Maria Theresia (as matriarch over the Austrian territories) and Joseph II (as Holy Roman Emperor)
Head of Government: Varies by territory, with Wenzel Anton, Prince of Kaunitz-Rietberg as State Chancellor and Foreign Minister for the empire as a whole
Capital: none de jure, de facto Vienna
Government type (as of 1773): Absolute monarchy (Austria) and feudal confederal elective monarchy (Holy Roman Empire)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there goes my dreams of a Großdeutschland. ;_;

Approved, schweinhund.

So did your dreams of Kleindeutschland.

Also since Greece has apparently already revolted against the Ottomans could I have Austria already own Bukovina (which it in RL took in 1776) and Bosnia (acquired after the Russo-Turkish War 1878) as spoils of whatever war brought independence to Greece?