The Bonaparte Legacy (1860's AH./Closed)

[Unicario]

Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) - Democratic-Republican
James Madison (1809-1813) - Democratic-Republican
DeWitt Clinton (1813-1817) - Democratic-Republican
James Monroe (1817-1825) - Democratic-Republican
Henry Clay (1825-1833) - Democratic-Republican
John Sargeant (1833-1837) - National
Daniel Webster (1837-1845) - Whig
James K. Polk (1845-1853) - Democratic-Republican
Winfield Scott (1853-1857) - Whig
Charles Sumner (1857-) - Democratic-Republican

There be a whole bunch of D-R Presidents. ._.

[New Granadeseret]

Could I reserve the South German States, please?

As-yet-to-be-named South German union reserved.

[The Dominion Of The Corn]

If we don't get Britain as a player country it'd be hilarious to have France and I stomp all over them and I could create a Pan-Celtic Union...
*sighs*
Well... A man can dream, can't he?

[Mollo]

I guess it isn't plausible for the Corsican Republic under Paoli to have succeeded. Correct?

[New Granadeseret]

I guess it isn't plausible for the Corsican Republic under Paoli to have succeeded. Correct?

Napoleon would say no.

However, you have basically the whole world to work with. Certainly there is something that appeals to you.

[Mollo]

I guess it isn't plausible for the Corsican Republic under Paoli to have succeeded. Correct?

Napoleon would say no.

However, you have basically the whole world to work with. Certainly there is something that appeals to you.

I was thinking of perhaps doing an ultra-expansionist/Bonapartist Peru, however that doesn't really interest me.

I think that however a Corsican Republic would have been plausible, even if Napoleon had won. If the Grafton Ministry had armed the island and protected it with a part of the Mediterranean fleet (the other of course being in Gibraltar) they could have kept the island, as the British were masters of the sea at that time, the French wouldn't be able to compete with British naval protection and the artillery that even in RL the Corsicans had placed around the island in the old Genoese citadels.

[The Dominion Of The Corn]

Napoleon would say no.

However, you have basically the whole world to work with. Certainly there is something that appeals to you.

I was thinking of perhaps doing an ultra-expansionist/Bonapartist Peru, however that doesn't really interest me.

I think that however a Corsican Republic would have been plausible, even if Napoleon had won. If the Grafton Ministry had armed the island and protected it with a part of the Mediterranean fleet (the other of course being in Gibraltar) they could have kept the island, as the British were masters of the sea at that time, the French wouldn't be able to compete with British naval protection and the artillery that even in RL the Corsicans had placed around the island in the old Genoese citadels.

France would smash them after the war, and they wouldn't have British support then. Maybe Sardinia? That might work.

[New Granadeseret]

Napoleon would say no.

However, you have basically the whole world to work with. Certainly there is something that appeals to you.

I was thinking of perhaps doing an ultra-expansionist/Bonapartist Peru, however that doesn't really interest me.

I think that however a Corsican Republic would have been plausible, even if Napoleon had won. If the Grafton Ministry had armed the island and protected it with a part of the Mediterranean fleet (the other of course being in Gibraltar) they could have kept the island, as the British were masters of the sea at that time, the French wouldn't be able to compete with British naval protection and the artillery that even in RL the Corsicans had placed around the island in the old Genoese citadels.

Gibraltar nessicerly falls, with Napoleon I and the bulk of French forces storming into Iberia and driving the British out of it completely (as mentioned earlier), and the British weren't exactly in a position to be making demands in an area ringed by France and French allies; especially one so close to Napoleon's heart and the heart of his domains. A Republic lasting for 5 or 10 years, perhaps, but not the half-century between now and The Wars of the Cohalitions.

Also, doing anything would be next to impossible, since the Bonaparte family basically has you in a chokehold. If you have a country you're willing to play with some heart too though, feel free to make a Corsican rebel group to go along with it.

[Neros]

I'd like to have a Napoleonic/Bonapartist Spain. Any chance at all of including Portugal in there as well, as a result of the Peninsular War? I remember seeing Napoleon himself curb stomping Wellington there in 1808. A very pro-French puppet state, headed by Napoleon's brother, as is tradition.

[New Granadeseret]

I'd like to have a Napoleonic/Bonapartist Spain. Any chance at all of including Portugal in there as well, as a result of the Peninsular War? I remember seeing Napoleon himself curb stomping Wellington there in 1808. A very pro-French puppet state, headed by Napoleon's brother, as is tradition.

Indeed, that would be perfect (Though, we're up to the third Bonaparte now, so the relation is less direct)

[Neros]

I'd like to have a Napoleonic/Bonapartist Spain. Any chance at all of including Portugal in there as well, as a result of the Peninsular War? I remember seeing Napoleon himself curb stomping Wellington there in 1808. A very pro-French puppet state, headed by Napoleon's brother, as is tradition.

Indeed, that would be perfect (Though, we're up to the third Bonaparte now, so the relation is less direct)

Righto, but the House of Bonaparte still stands strong.

[New Granadeseret]

Indeed, that would be perfect (Though, we're up to the third Bonaparte now, so the relation is less direct)

Righto, but the House of Bonaparte still stands strong.

Of course, and reservation noted (Also, could you tell me your full claims? I'm working on an early map)

[Claven]

Hey! I assume this covers the entire world, so can I reserve Persia

NS Name: Claven
Nation Name: Sublime State of Persia (Informally: Qajar Dynasty/ Qajar Empire)
Head of State: Nasser-e-Din Shah Qajar
Head of Government: Nasser-e-Din Shah Qajar
Head of Diplomacy: WIP
Territorial Claims: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 900-en.png (All the regions that have green in them except the northwestern part)

Flag: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 925%29.svg
Demonym: Persian
Capital: Tehran
Currency: Qiran
State/Primary Religion: Shiite Islam

Government Form: Absolute Monarchy
Ideology: Nationalism
Foreign Policy:
Persia wishes to curtail any further Russian expansion in the Caucasus , and Central Asia. She also wishes to maintain her current borders with the Ottoman Empire. She desires friendlier relations with the Western powers in hopes that it would improve commercial ties between said parties.
Domestic Policy:
The nation is trying to modernize itself by importing western ideas and technology. The Shah is slowly implementing reforms to improve the political situation in the country.
Civil Freedoms /10: 5/10
Political Freedoms /10: 3/10
Economic Freedoms /10: 5/10

Military Size:
-Army: 100,000 men (of which 20,000 consist of cavalry)
-Navy: Practically non-existent, Only plans to begin building a small fleet
-Elite Forces: Persian Cossack Brigade (only appears after 1879) - 2000 men

Military Description: WIP
Strengths and Weaknesses: Strengths - Cavalry (although this may soon be outdated), Significantly mobile
Weaknesses - Relatively ineffective generals, Dependent on foreign powers for training, Still contains ineffective tribal elements

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:
The economy is still heavily reliant on agriculture, though even that is not intensely practiced. The nation is slowly modernizing, and it appears that trade with the Western powers will be the main focus in the near future.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government:
The government is effectively run by the shah and his advisers. Reforms to the system rest in the hands of the shah, who has a tendency to change his mind frequently.
Short History of the last 60 years:
The nation has been racked with losses to foreign powers, namely Russia and Great Britain. Azerbaijan and other holdings in the Caucasus have been lost to Russia. This lead to the shah falling under Russian influence. Previous attempts to capture Herat, under the control of the British, proved unsuccessful. Recently, Persia had fared badly in the Anglo-Persian war but did manage to make the British agree to a few of their demands.
Population of entire empire: ~8,000,000 people

[Neros]

Righto, but the House of Bonaparte still stands strong.

Of course, and reservation noted (Also, could you tell me your full claims? I'm working on an early map)

Gracias!

Currently, it would be the Iberian Peninsula (minus French counterclaims, mind you), Morroco, and Spanish/Portuguese colonies minus Brazil. I can get a proper map up for it in a second as well.

[Neros]

NS Name: Neros
Nation Name: Empire of All Hispania | Imperio de toda Hispania | Hispania
Head of State: Emperor of All Hispania Lucien Bonaparte
Head of Government: Antonio Cánovas del Castillo
Head of Diplomacy: Napoléon Charles Bonaparte, 5th Prince of Canino
Territorial Claims (Map Preferred)

Flag:
Demonym: Hispanic
Capital: Madrid
Currency: Imperio
State/Primary Religion: Catholicism

Government Form:
Ideology: (Political, not economic)
Foreign Policy: (How does your nation see the world? What is its stance or position on issues outside its country? What important relations do they have?)
Domestic Policy: (What sorts of internal issues does your nation face? How are they dealing with them?)
Civil Freedoms /10:
Political Freedoms /10:
Economic Freedoms /10:

Military Size:
-Army:
-Navy:
-Elite Forces:

Military Description: (ie, quality of equipment, doctrine, etc.)
Strengths and Weaknesses: (What is your military good at, and what is it bad at?)

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:
Short Description of Your Nation's Government:
Short History of the last 60 years:

Rulers of the Nation 1808-1860

• 1808-1809: King of Spain Joseph Bonaparte (Jose I)
• 1809-1814: King of Spain and Portugal Joseph Bonaparte
• 1814-1815: King of Hispania Joseph Bonaparte
• 1815-1836: Emperor of Hispania Joseph Bonaparte
• 1836-1844: Emperor of All Hispania Joseph Bonaparte
• 1844-1854: Empress of All Hispania Zénaïde Bonaparte (Zenaide I)
• 1854-Present: Emperor of All Hispania Jose-Lucien Bonaparte (Jose II)

Population of entire empire:

A WIP.

[New Granadeseret]

Hey! I assume this covers the entire world, so can I reserve Persia

NS Name: Claven
Nation Name: Sublime State of Persia (Informally: Qajar Dynasty/ Qajar Empire)
Head of State: Nasser-e-Din Shah Qajar
Head of Government: Nasser-e-Din Shah Qajar
Head of Diplomacy: WIP
Territorial Claims: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 900-en.png (All the regions that have green in them except the northwestern part)

Flag: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 925%29.svg
Demonym: Persian
Capital: Tehran
Currency: Qiran
State/Primary Religion: Shiite Islam

Government Form: Absolute Monarchy
Ideology: WIP
Foreign Policy:
Persia wishes to curtail any further Russian expansion in the Caucasus , and Central Asia. She also wishes to maintain her current borders with the Ottoman Empire. She desires friendlier relations with the Western powers in hopes that it would improve commercial ties between said parties.
Domestic Policy:
The nation is trying to modernize itself by importing western ideas and technology. The Shah is slowly implementing reforms to improve the political situation in the country.
Civil Freedoms /10: TBD
Political Freedoms /10: TBD
Economic Freedoms /10: TBD

Military Size:
-Army: WIP
-Navy: WIP
-Elite Forces: WIP

Military Description: WIP
Strengths and Weaknesses: WIP

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:
The economy is still heavily reliant on agriculture, though even that is not intensely practiced. The nation is slowly modernizing, and it appears that trade with the Western powers will be the main focus in the near future.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: WIP
Short History of the last 60 years:
The nation has been racked with losses to foreign powers, namely Russia and Great Britain. Azerbaijan and other holdings in the Caucasus have been lost to Russia. This lead to the shah falling under Russian influence. Previous attempts to capture Herat, under the control of the British, proved unsuccessful. Recently, Persia had fared badly in the Anglo-Persian war but did manage to make the British agree to a few of their demands.
Population of entire empire: WIP

Persia shall be reserved as such.

Neros: I can allow you to have some colonies, but I'd prefer to have a place were the Spanish Bourbons fled into Exile. With the US the way it is, perhaps they have the remains of The Viceroyality New Spain and their Caribbean territories and you can have the Viceroyality of Peru?

[Neros]

Hey! I assume this covers the entire world, so can I reserve Persia

NS Name: Claven
Nation Name: Sublime State of Persia (Informally: Qajar Dynasty/ Qajar Empire)
Head of State: Nasser-e-Din Shah Qajar
Head of Government: Nasser-e-Din Shah Qajar
Head of Diplomacy: WIP
Territorial Claims: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 900-en.png (All the regions that have green in them except the northwestern part)

Flag: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 925%29.svg
Demonym: Persian
Capital: Tehran
Currency: Qiran
State/Primary Religion: Shiite Islam

Government Form: Absolute Monarchy
Ideology: WIP
Foreign Policy:
Persia wishes to curtail any further Russian expansion in the Caucasus , and Central Asia. She also wishes to maintain her current borders with the Ottoman Empire. She desires friendlier relations with the Western powers in hopes that it would improve commercial ties between said parties.
Domestic Policy:
The nation is trying to modernize itself by importing western ideas and technology. The Shah is slowly implementing reforms to improve the political situation in the country.
Civil Freedoms /10: TBD
Political Freedoms /10: TBD
Economic Freedoms /10: TBD

Military Size:
-Army: WIP
-Navy: WIP
-Elite Forces: WIP

Military Description: WIP
Strengths and Weaknesses: WIP

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:
The economy is still heavily reliant on agriculture, though even that is not intensely practiced. The nation is slowly modernizing, and it appears that trade with the Western powers will be the main focus in the near future.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: WIP
Short History of the last 60 years:
The nation has been racked with losses to foreign powers, namely Russia and Great Britain. Azerbaijan and other holdings in the Caucasus have been lost to Russia. This lead to the shah falling under Russian influence. Previous attempts to capture Herat, under the control of the British, proved unsuccessful. Recently, Persia had fared badly in the Anglo-Persian war but did manage to make the British agree to a few of their demands.
Population of entire empire: WIP

Persia shall be reserved as such.

Neros: I can allow you to have some colonies, but I'd prefer to have a place were the Spanish Bourbons fled into Exile. With the US the way it is, perhaps they have the remains of The Viceroyality New Spain and their Caribbean territories and you can have the Viceroyality of Peru?

Ah yes, Everything that left Spain during the Napoleonic Wars is an acceptable loss for me. However, I'd like to keep Cuba and let them have Peru instead - Cuba bring in mucho profit!

Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata can be lost to the Portuguese-Brazilians, that's alright with me as well.

[Segmentia]

Reserve Russia please.

[Togeria]

Could I reserve Prussia or Austria?

[New Granadeseret]

Could I reserve Prussia or Austria?

Which one?

[Togeria]

I say..........Prussia.

[Togeria]

Do you know what I just realized? If it's 1860 that means the Anerican Civil War is about to start.

[Of the Quendi]

Could I reserve the South German States, please?

As-yet-to-be-named South German union reserved.

But what about the Confederation of the Rhine?

I'd like to have a Napoleonic/Bonapartist Spain. Any chance at all of including Portugal in there as well, as a result of the Peninsular War? I remember seeing Napoleon himself curb stomping Wellington there in 1808. A very pro-French puppet state, headed by Napoleon's brother, as is tradition.

I assume that if France successfully conquered Portugal they would have followed the original plan outlined by the Treaty of Fontainebleau of giving Spain the North, giving Spanish Prime Minister Manuel Godoy the south as his own little Principality of the Algarve and retaining the middle, and larger part, as a puppet state under another Napoleonic relation.

However since the Fontainebleau division looks absolutely ridiculous I propose that Spain takes all things north of Duoro river and that Godoy gets the southern half of his oversized domain. On the map bellow I propose that 14, 15, 15, 17 and 18 become Spanish while 5, 6 and parts of 4 become Godoy's with the rest being Portugal. Colonies would go with the exiled Portuguese royal family setting up shop in Brazil.

EDIT: Whoops, the northern territory would have not by the Treaty of Fontainebleau have been seceded to Spain, it too would have been made a kingdom for Charles II, but we can just ignore that and have the territory north of the Duoro go to Spain.

[Unicario]

Do you know what I just realized? If it's 1860 that means the Anerican Civil War is about to start.

Aye. The election of 1860 shall catalyst that situation quite well.

[Unicario]

Hey! I assume this covers the entire world, so can I reserve Persia

NS Name: Claven
Nation Name: Sublime State of Persia (Informally: Qajar Dynasty/ Qajar Empire)
Head of State: Nasser-e-Din Shah Qajar
Head of Government: Nasser-e-Din Shah Qajar
Head of Diplomacy: WIP
Territorial Claims: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 900-en.png (All the regions that have green in them except the northwestern part)

Flag: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 925%29.svg
Demonym: Persian
Capital: Tehran
Currency: Qiran
State/Primary Religion: Shiite Islam

Government Form: Absolute Monarchy
Ideology: WIP
Foreign Policy:
Persia wishes to curtail any further Russian expansion in the Caucasus , and Central Asia. She also wishes to maintain her current borders with the Ottoman Empire. She desires friendlier relations with the Western powers in hopes that it would improve commercial ties between said parties.
Domestic Policy:
The nation is trying to modernize itself by importing western ideas and technology. The Shah is slowly implementing reforms to improve the political situation in the country.
Civil Freedoms /10: TBD
Political Freedoms /10: TBD
Economic Freedoms /10: TBD

Military Size:
-Army: WIP
-Navy: WIP
-Elite Forces: WIP

Military Description: WIP
Strengths and Weaknesses: WIP

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:
The economy is still heavily reliant on agriculture, though even that is not intensely practiced. The nation is slowly modernizing, and it appears that trade with the Western powers will be the main focus in the near future.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: WIP
Short History of the last 60 years:
The nation has been racked with losses to foreign powers, namely Russia and Great Britain. Azerbaijan and other holdings in the Caucasus have been lost to Russia. This lead to the shah falling under Russian influence. Previous attempts to capture Herat, under the control of the British, proved unsuccessful. Recently, Persia had fared badly in the Anglo-Persian war but did manage to make the British agree to a few of their demands.
Population of entire empire: WIP

Persia shall be reserved as such.

Neros: I can allow you to have some colonies, but I'd prefer to have a place were the Spanish Bourbons fled into Exile. With the US the way it is, perhaps they have the remains of The Viceroyality New Spain and their Caribbean territories and you can have the Viceroyality of Peru?

My canon says that Mexico is an independent state, so...