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[Kryskov]

And bias really shouldn't be a reason why someone should be prohibited from doing something entirely historically reasonable and not entirely illogical

Yeah, it kinda should.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Chlorine gas isn't economical until someone invents the chloroalkali process, which should be in another decade.

Whether or not it is economical or not just impacts how much someone is welling to spend on chlorine. At least that is what I assumed you meant by economical, as in it costs too much.

It costs far too much, as of 1880, to warrant anything more than R/D style weapons.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

And bias really shouldn't be a reason why someone should be prohibited from doing something entirely historically reasonable and not entirely illogical

Yeah, it kinda should.

Oh really?

Due to my strong biased against the American south doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to RP the CSA just because I do not wish to see them exist on a map anywhere. Not really the same thing, but the only way I could possibly show you why preventing people from doing something because of your own personal bias is stupid.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Whether or not it is economical or not just impacts how much someone is welling to spend on chlorine. At least that is what I assumed you meant by economical, as in it costs too much.

It costs far too much, as of 1880, to warrant anything more than R/D style weapons.

Dunno exactly what he plans on using, but if it is R/D weapons there ya go.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Whether or not it is economical or not just impacts how much someone is welling to spend on chlorine. At least that is what I assumed you meant by economical, as in it costs too much.

It costs far too much, as of 1880, to warrant anything more than R/D style weapons.

Chlorine, in liquid form in artillery shells

[Kryskov]

Oh really?

Due to my strong biased against the American south doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to RP the CSA just because I do not wish to see them exist on a map anywhere. Not really the same thing, but the only way I could possibly show you why preventing people from doing something because of your own personal bias is stupid.

I agree it's not the same thing, and it entirely skews the point. I am not against Pallasia existing. I am not against the objective idea of them having rudimentary chemical weapons, so long as it's reasonable, speaking from a purely historical point of view. But, comparably, if you were against the discrimination of blacks, I would see no reason why you couldn't try, in some shape or form, to pressure the CSA to give them more rights (if the federal gov has that power). This is the same reasoning behind...every single economic sanction and military action made ever. The whole geopolitical atmosphere is based on bias and, as others have a bias towards humanism, I can appeal to them to stop chemical warfare, as it is, subjectively, inhumane. And I am more inclined to oppose it considering that Pallasia thinks burning your skin off and having your insides melt due to formation of acid is more humane than getting shot.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Oh really?

Due to my strong biased against the American south doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to RP the CSA just because I do not wish to see them exist on a map anywhere. Not really the same thing, but the only way I could possibly show you why preventing people from doing something because of your own personal bias is stupid.

I agree it's not the same thing, and it entirely skews the point. I am not against Pallasia existing. I am not against the objective idea of them having rudimentary chemical weapons, so long as it's reasonable, speaking from a purely historical point of view. But, comparably, if you were against the discrimination of blacks, I would see no reason why you couldn't try, in some shape or form, to pressure the CSA to give them more rights (if the federal gov has that power). This is the same reasoning behind...every single economic sanction and military action made ever. The whole geopolitical atmosphere is based on bias and, as others have a bias towards humanism, I can appeal to them to stop chemical warfare, as it is, subjectively, inhumane. And I am more inclined to oppose it considering that Pallasia thinks burning your skin off and having your insides melt due to formation of acid is more humane than getting shot.

Molten lead leaking through your body and causing horrid wounds is humane?

[Kryskov]

Molten lead leaking through your body and causing horrid wounds is humane?

I never said that. It is, though, the least inhumane method of warfare in existence, unless you are totally against war, which I doubt either of us are.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Molten lead leaking through your body and causing horrid wounds is humane?

I never said that. It is, though, the least inhumane method of warfare in existence, unless you are totally against war, which I doubt either of us are.

Gas that kills in a few minutes if properly deployed, compared to wounds that kill by infection in the long run, or extreme pain in the short?

[Kryskov]

Gas that kills in a few minutes if properly deployed, compared to wounds that kill by infection in the long run, or extreme pain in the short?

But if you survive chlorine, which is fairly likely if used in small numbers, you can be temporarily or permanently blinded, covered with painful boils and cysts, and live with an impaired sense of smell and very difficult breathing for the rest of your life. To survive a bullet wound to the lungs or face that would cause these is much less likely. This is why chemical weaponry is frowned upon today...and in 1899...and in the 1600s.

[Bujahla]

Gas that kills in a few minutes if properly deployed, compared to wounds that kill by infection in the long run, or extreme pain in the short?

But if you survive chlorine, which is fairly likely if used in small numbers, you can be temporarily or permanently blinded, covered with painful boils and cysts, and live with an impaired sense of smell and very difficult breathing for the rest of your life. To survive a bullet wound to the lungs or face that would cause these is much less likely. This is why chemical weaponry is frowned upon today...and in 1899...and in the 1600s.

And why if used Portugal will lead a charge against it for the international prestige.

[Liecthenbourg]

But if you survive chlorine, which is fairly likely if used in small numbers, you can be temporarily or permanently blinded, covered with painful boils and cysts, and live with an impaired sense of smell and very difficult breathing for the rest of your life. To survive a bullet wound to the lungs or face that would cause these is much less likely. This is why chemical weaponry is frowned upon today...and in 1899...and in the 1600s.

And why if used Portugal will lead a charge against it for the international prestige.

I'll support you and cut off the food for those who do not!
#WHOCANBETHEMOSTINHUMANE

[Marsisian]

Gas that kills in a few minutes if properly deployed, compared to wounds that kill by infection in the long run, or extreme pain in the short?

But if you survive chlorine, which is fairly likely if used in small numbers, you can be temporarily or permanently blinded, covered with painful boils and cysts, and live with an impaired sense of smell and very difficult breathing for the rest of your life. To survive a bullet wound to the lungs or face that would cause these is much less likely. This is why chemical weaponry is frowned upon today...and in 1899...and in the 1600s.

Which is why you should never play with chlorine or mustard gas, kids. You're going to become a clicker from TLOU.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Gas that kills in a few minutes if properly deployed, compared to wounds that kill by infection in the long run, or extreme pain in the short?

But if you survive chlorine, which is fairly likely if used in small numbers, you can be temporarily or permanently blinded, covered with painful boils and cysts, and live with an impaired sense of smell and very difficult breathing for the rest of your life. To survive a bullet wound to the lungs or face that would cause these is much less likely. This is why chemical weaponry is frowned upon today...and in 1899...and in the 1600s.

Chlorine does not cause boils and cysts, mustard gas does. Chlorine causes asphyxiation and or lung damage.

[Kryskov]

Chlorine does not cause boils and cysts, mustard gas does. Chlorine causes asphyxiation and or lung damage.

It causes severe skin irritation, anyone who's split bleach on their skin, or chlorine, can tell you that. And those can likely form cysts, boils, etc, as much skin irritation does.

Just curious, how do you plan to keep the chlorine liquefied?

[Valentir]

Oh, look, the Humane Train just rolled into town.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Chlorine does not cause boils and cysts, mustard gas does. Chlorine causes asphyxiation and or lung damage.

It causes severe skin irritation, anyone who's split bleach on their skin, or chlorine, can tell you that. And those can likely form cysts, boils, etc, as much skin irritation does.

Just curious, how do you plan to keep the chlorine liquefied?

By whatever process that was used in the American civil war by the school teacher John Doughty

[Reatra]

Dafuq is going on now?

[Marsisian]

Dafuq is going on now?

Some people want to use chlorine in warfare. I say we just do the humane thing and use incendiary shells.

[Greater Mid West]

Dafuq is going on now?

Some people want to use chlorine in warfare. I say we just do the humane thing and use incendiary shells.

Who?

[Caltarania]

No idea.

If this chemical warfare becomes viable, though, we will be organizing the York Conference to set up the York Convention, which will create the rules of war, and ban chemical weaponry.

Not sure many nations will sign that.

Every nation should, lest they want to incur the wrath of the Commonwealth.

Also, this will basically be a Geneva Convention but with Chemical Weapons added in.

Just gonna drop this link here

Tbh I don't see all the fuss over Chemical Warfare. It appears to have gotten a historical foothold in 1854, which was then increased during the American Civil War.

As long as Columbia follows a semi-historical path to chemical weapons, such as artillery shells, whatever I don't really see the issue tbh. Let capitalism take its course similar to how it actually did. I don't see why we should restrict it bc it is so immoral and awful. We allow a whole lot of other crap into many RPs we partake in that are a lot less realistic than that.

Humanism.

Also, harming Pallasia in any way possible is Britain's utmost goal; if they have Chem Weps and we don't, we're sure as fuck gonna ban them.

Hmm. You both make good points, I suppose.

I mean, as-long as it's handled logically I'm fine. I just don't like the idea of a entire military completely equipped with chlorine shells Great War style over-night, you know?

Of which I entirely agree.

As long is it is historically based and can logically occur, it should be a non-issue.

It's not at all an OOC issue, it is an IC one. Tbh Glitter, you're the only person making it an OOC issue here.

[Marsisian]

Some people want to use chlorine in warfare. I say we just do the humane thing and use incendiary shells.

Who?

Columbia.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Not sure many nations will sign that.

Every nation should, lest they want to incur the wrath of the Commonwealth.

Also, this will basically be a Geneva Convention but with Chemical Weapons added in.

Just gonna drop this link here

Tbh I don't see all the fuss over Chemical Warfare. It appears to have gotten a historical foothold in 1854, which was then increased during the American Civil War.

As long as Columbia follows a semi-historical path to chemical weapons, such as artillery shells, whatever I don't really see the issue tbh. Let capitalism take its course similar to how it actually did. I don't see why we should restrict it bc it is so immoral and awful. We allow a whole lot of other crap into many RPs we partake in that are a lot less realistic than that.

Humanism.

Also, harming Pallasia in any way possible is Britain's utmost goal; if they have Chem Weps and we don't, we're sure as fuck gonna ban them.

Of which I entirely agree.

As long is it is historically based and can logically occur, it should be a non-issue.

It's not at all an OOC issue, it is an IC one. Tbh Glitter, you're the only person making it an OOC issue here.

To be known though, I have not used chemical weapons in combat yet, so unless all of your "Humane" nations are conducting un ethical tests, the true effects of said weapons would be unknown.

[Marsisian]

Not sure many nations will sign that.

Every nation should, lest they want to incur the wrath of the Commonwealth.

Also, this will basically be a Geneva Convention but with Chemical Weapons added in.

Just gonna drop this link here

Tbh I don't see all the fuss over Chemical Warfare. It appears to have gotten a historical foothold in 1854, which was then increased during the American Civil War.

As long as Columbia follows a semi-historical path to chemical weapons, such as artillery shells, whatever I don't really see the issue tbh. Let capitalism take its course similar to how it actually did. I don't see why we should restrict it bc it is so immoral and awful. We allow a whole lot of other crap into many RPs we partake in that are a lot less realistic than that.

Humanism.

Also, harming Pallasia in any way possible is Britain's utmost goal; if they have Chem Weps and we don't, we're sure as fuck gonna ban them.

Of which I entirely agree.

As long is it is historically based and can logically occur, it should be a non-issue.

It's not at all an OOC issue, it is an IC one. Tbh Glitter, you're the only person making it an OOC issue here.

Well I ain't signing it. And besides, there aren't going to be any use of chemical weapons in war because it's not likely for there to be a war this soon. So why even have a conference?

[Kryskov]

By whatever process that was used in the American civil war by the school teacher John Doughty

Which is?