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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:11 pm

Sabara wrote:I think I'll claim Switzerland and northern Piedmont, then. (I'll get an application up once I'm back from school.)

Northern Italy is claimed, but the person hasn't been around for a bit IIRC.
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Senkaku wrote:wait oh God that means more territory plz God no have mercy
Only if you help Mongolia modernize (not fully industrialize, obviously, but help streamline the military and bureaucracy so the empire doesn't disintegrate into anarchy.)




>different area
>avoid Mongol domination
>implying all the other areas are not also dominated by Mongol
You are a goodly amusing fellow, barbarian. :p

Nestoria can help into Modern.

Nestoria need help into modern.
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Nestoria has free trade with everyone except Islamic and Muslim nations.

Uhh... that's nearly everyone around you?
Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:
Timothia wrote:Would England, the CSA, or France be interested in having me app as a colony or vassal?

You could be a freed colony of mine, if there's any room left in the Americas. If not, you could be my vassal. (I'm Francia, by the way)
Paketo wrote:
no no, Paketo = 3 consonants and 3 vowels

3+3 = 6

you know what has six sides, two triangles

Paketo = double illuminati confirmed

Paketo has 3 syllables, 3 consonants, 3 vowels

3+3+3=9

A triangle has 3 sides.

9/3=3

Paketo = 4th level Illuminati, 1st tier freemason

illuminatiilluminati
Caltarania wrote:
Paketo wrote:
well, losing 2-1 to germany is better than losing 7-1 :p


1966 best year of my life

(jk i don't give five fucks about football)

jaaaa
Mangjukoia wrote:
Alleniana wrote:@Mang, why not New Japan or something? Or even "Hokkaido", something like that?

I'll just go with Ezo. If Japan ever happens to be retaken by Ezo, (Which probably would never happen) can I change it back to Japan?

Sure.

Sveltlana wrote:
Alleniana wrote:If you recall, Virgin Islands, Timor, Greenland, Iceland are all taken, and reduce your African colonies by 1 or 2 provinces. If you were just to lazy to edit it out of the map though, I'll just put you on the map as you should be and don't worry about it. More detail on economic policy/situation, maybe navy size, currency, imports & exports, etc. Slight edits needed in history, but ehh.
Do that stuff and you're good to go.


I don't really mind the location of either the Kalmar West Indies, Kalmar East Indies, or Kalmar [African Colony] as long as they exist. I'm ready to fully relinquish Kalmar West Indies, however, if necessary. IIRC the Southern Philippines are open for the East Indies, a part of which could be Scandinavian. Pondicherry in India, and an unmarked colony in Africa.

How should I expand on the currency?

Application

Name: Kalmar Union of Scandinavia (Sk.: Kalmarunionen Skandinavien; Denonym: Scandinavian/Kalmar)

Southern Philippines, Puducherry and a dot next to British Gold Coast ok?

And pegging it to something, yeah.
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Application

Name: Nestorian Empire

Pop is way too high. Even if the Mongols didn't come around, which they did (part of the prewritten history), your pop still wouldn't be the ~4 times higher than it was IRL.
Primary ethnic group should be Persian if its the majority. More detail on language, religion, infrastructure, currency, etc. (what's Nesserese, and why is it Latin that merged? Is there anything secular? Is the denarius just like the old Roman one? etc.)

And what's with calling everything Nestorius or Nestoria or something? :P That was the guy's name, it'd be like naming Constantinople "Constantine" or Washington "George".
Caltarania wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Call in some drone strikes then. :P


Barack Obama has recently passed through the Act to Regulate Banter, so unfortunately I believe that to soon be the case.

*revokes*
Carathon wrote:What's the current status of the claims on Greece right now?

Guy who applied for it was around recently, it should be being apped for.
Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:I think I am done.
Application

Name: Kingdom of Bavaria

The Rhineland enclave is claimed by Germany; do you mind if I set your borders as the borders of the modern Bundesland of Bavaria?

More detail on government, ideology/policy, ethnicity, religion, currency, etc.
Other than that, you're good.

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Sabara
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Postby Sabara » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:12 pm

Alleniana wrote:
Sabara wrote:I think I'll claim Switzerland and northern Piedmont, then. (I'll get an application up once I'm back from school.)

Northern Italy is claimed, but the person hasn't been around for a bit IIRC.

Alright; well, we'll see if he contests it.
A unique MT rp: Tiandi

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The Emerald Dragon
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:13 pm

Caltarania wrote:
Greater Mobile wrote:

/thread


USA Eurovision Wins: 0
EU Eurovision Wins: 59

get rekt mate

Sveltlana wrote:Government Structure: Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy. Members of the Parliament are elected by county with amounts of representatives proportional to the amount of population in the given county. The Parliament is bicameral, with Upper and Lower houses modeled after Britain. In regards to administrative divisions; the Union is divided into several large provinces in turn divided into counties.


TTL's Britain is federal.

Sveltlana wrote:Foreign Relations: Scandinavia holds diplomatic relations with most civilized nations around the world. Scandinavia has presently been attempting to establish her neutrality in European affairs, as the Treaty of London has done for other countries. This has proved ineffective, as several nations compete to secure Scandinavia in their 'sphere of influence'. Scandinavia has historically held friendly relations with the British and the Germans.


Was there a Treaty of London ITTL?

Sveltlana wrote:Kalmar Scandinavia aligned itself with the Coalition during the Napoleonic wars. Scandinavia was one of the more involved countries in attempting to take Napoleon down. In the War of the xth Coalition, Napoleon crossed the Rhine and invaded Scandinavian holdings in Continental Europe before the powerful French army smashed its way into Scandinavia and forced the Kalmar Union to accept the Peace of Uppsala just days after the French army occupied Stockholm. Under the terms of the Treaty of Uppsala, Scandinavia was forced to relinquish Finland as a realm and grant it complete autonomy, although the reasons for such an interest remain unknown. Furthermore, Kalmar Scandinavia was forced to sign an alliance with France and join the Continental Blockade against Britain.


Britain was on the side of France for most of the war.

Senkaku wrote:Mongol is of superior
Mongoria STRONK
MONGOL MONGOL MONGOL
:p
I like the Mongoltage the best, but I hadn't seen the Brazil one. Have you seen the Switzereel? I tried to get it to show too but it wouldn't. It's 1:48 into one of the WW1 videos.


#neutralityftw

Kryskov wrote:soz, everyone kept calling you England so I got confused.


tut, tut, tut.

Though I guess ITTL it's more acceptable considering that England is actually in the official name of the nation, unlike IOTL. It's still wrong, though.


Get shrekt Calt. :p

Anyway, teh liberation organisation that aims for a Japanese controlled Japan is going to be very...active.

Just read teh factbook post.

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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:33 pm

Pop is way too high. Even if the Mongols didn't come around, which they did (part of the prewritten history), your pop still wouldn't be the ~4 times higher than it was IRL.

The IRL Population was ~20,000,000. I doubled because the Mongols in this era didn't wipe out ~60% of the population of my lands in 1200, more like 15%. Also, bolded wasn't in the prewritten history section. I'll lower it to ~40 million

Primary ethnic group should be Persian if its the majority.


There is no clear majority.

More detail on language, religion, infrastructure, currency, etc. (what's Nesserese, and why is it Latin that merged? Is there anything secular? Is the denarius just like the old Roman one? etc.)

Fair enuff

And what's with calling everything Nestorius or Nestoria or something? :P That was the guy's name, it'd be like naming Constantinople "Constantine" or Washington "George".


It's like calling cities Jackson and Lincoln. And Madison.

EDIT
Nestoria need help into modern.


Nestoria is modern. not cutting edge, but within a decade of Europe.
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Sveltlana
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Postby Sveltlana » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:36 pm

Seems fine by me Allen.
ASTURIAS STRONK

Now, mortal, you have made the mistake of opening Pandora's Box. What evils have you unleashed upon the Earth?

Me, Svet lol good one svet
Me, Svet
: ikr svet it was pretty good

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Fuck that.

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Alleniana
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Alleniana » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:41 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Pop is way too high. Even if the Mongols didn't come around, which they did (part of the prewritten history), your pop still wouldn't be the ~4 times higher than it was IRL.

The IRL Population was ~20,000,000. I doubled because the Mongols in this era didn't wipe out ~60% of the population of my lands in 1200, more like 15%. Also, bolded wasn't in the prewritten history section. I'll lower it to ~40 million

Primary ethnic group should be Persian if its the majority.


There is no clear majority.

More detail on language, religion, infrastructure, currency, etc. (what's Nesserese, and why is it Latin that merged? Is there anything secular? Is the denarius just like the old Roman one? etc.)

Fair enuff

And what's with calling everything Nestorius or Nestoria or something? :P That was the guy's name, it'd be like naming Constantinople "Constantine" or Washington "George".


It's like calling cities Jackson and Lincoln. And Madison.

http://populstat.info/Asia/iranc.htm This says all Iran had about 5 million.
http://populstat.info/Asia/iraqc.htm all Iraq had about 1.5 million
http://populstat.info/Asia/turkmenc.htm all Turkmenistan had about 0.5 million
http://populstat.info/Asia/pakistac.htm you've got a tiny fraction of Pakistan, but even if you added all of it on, you'd barely have 20 million
You get the idea. I don't see how a bit of Caucasus, Crimea, Arabia and the -stans could pull you from somewhere below 10 million to 20 million.

No clear majority, but there's a plurality and that's good enough.

And it wasn't in the history section because I haven't got round to adding it. I recall I put it somewhere in a list of things I intended to add, and the Mongol nation had it in their history that Mongols did what they did IRL. I also haven't written in stuff like the Communist Manifesto, birth/death of Jesus, rise of Europe, etc. stuff that obviously happened but isn't there yet

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The Industrial States of Columbia
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:42 pm

Application

WIP

Name:The Kingdom of Pallasia (England, and Scotland)
Symbols: Royal Standard, Standard of the Nation, Pallas Athena “Our Lady of Wisdom”, The crosses of the Saints Andrew and George (Mounted on a tall staff) Alternately known as the King's Cross, War Chant, Anthem (Altered Lyrics), Laurels around the King's Cross, a Griffin Red,the Rose Star
Claims: This minus Bermuda, maybe with an enclave in NE for lolz, but I am fairly goot :).
Power:Secondary Power

Government Structure:Aristocratic Constitutional Monarchy. A senate composed of an Aristocratic upper house and as of 1873 a more common lower house passes most legislation. The king has power to veto legislation, but it takes a simple majority to overturn his veto in the Senate.

Ascension to the nobility is actually fairly simple, being mostly a popularity contest (If you are smart enough and are willing to overlook some blatant corruption, you will probably get in).

Nobles in the upper house are generally circulated for each chamber if they have more than the maximum of twelve senators in their Senatorial Domain.

Members of the lower house are elected directly by the people for 5 year terms, up to a maximum of four.

Ideology/Policy:Aristocratic Elitism, Freedom of Thought and Trade generally, British Nationalism, with growing sentiment for Republicanism.

Leaders:King Richard VI, The Families of Conrod, Wells, Tolkien, Lauhead, and Lovekraft.
Capital City: Phillosophia

Population:16,375,951

Primary Ethnic Group:Pallasian English

Minority Ethnic Groups:British, New World French, German, Norse, various native groups.

Description of Ethnicity:While mainly culturally English and regarding themselves as such, the peoples of Pallasia come from a variety of ethnic backgrounds, and over the years various minor cultural cues have mixed with traditional culture, yielding a unique cultural identity for Pallasians.

Language:English, with Latin Regarded as the language of the higher class.

Religion:The national religion is considered to be any form of Christianity, with the High Anglican church holding the highest percentage of followers. Other religions are allowed, but the faiths the aristocracy does not condone are opposed with punitive fines and taxes to “encourage” them to choose a Judaeo-Christian faith.

Foreign Relations:Pallasia maintains good relations with most other powers, though actual allies in the case of a war with the CSA would most likely be negligable. Relations with the British Commonwealth are not poor, but extreme cordiality and formality is observed in all interactions with them, highlighting the tenseness of relations between the two. The government of Pallasia still does not recognize the CSA as an actual independent entity, and relations between the governments of the two can best be described as extremely hostile, usually on the brink of open conflict.

Military Information:Following the disastrous loss of Southron territories to the Confederate Rebels, a national inquiry was launched to determine the cause of military ineptness during the conflict. With poor training, ineffective leadership, inconsistent equipment and poor logistics all noted, the inquiry soon found itself asking not what went wrong during the war, but what was even close to going well.

Using fear of future Confederate aggression as a motivator, Lords within the Senate's upper house soon passed legislation to allow for the complete revitalization of the military. Three military combat academies were opened, two for land forces and one for the navy, with a fourth academy opened for military research and innovation. Following research done at the academies, Pallasian war doctrine was shifted from a more conventional mindset to a more experimental one, involving heavy use of recently developed chemical weapons and revolving rifles (Gatling guns).

With few ports to hold larger ships, Pallasian naval doctrine likewise shifted out of necessity to a more experimental stance, involving heavy use of torpedo boats in deadly swarms, and recently the (hopeful) use of experimental airships as precision deliverers of ordinance.

Army Size:126,000 active, 200,000 reserve. 2 primitive airships are employed for experimental combat.
The Army of the North-30,000 regulars
-5,000 rangers
-500 artillery personal
-20 gatling units (2 guns each unit), 160 personal total
-Airship-Deliverance
-840 “Longcoats” chemical warfare specialists.

The Army of the West-45,000 regulars
-2,000 rangers
-2,500 cavalry
-1,500 artillery personal
-14 gatling units, 110 personal
-1,280 “Longcoats”

The Army of the Ridge-28,000 regulars
-5000 rangers
-2000 artillery personal
-750 cavalry
-16 gatling units, 130 personal
-Airship-Drakon
-1230 “Longcoats”
Navy Size:10000 personal

Homefront-Fleet 1 New Kingston (New York)
Flagship-Armored Cruiser-Reliant Steam/Sail Hybrid
5 Ironclads-Intrepid
-Excalibur
-Agrippa
-Phobos
-Seventh Plague
Observation/Precision Strike Airship-Resolute
9 Corvettes
25 Torpedo Boats


Homefront-Fleet 2 Maryton (DC)
Flagship-Armored Cruiser-Testudo Steam/Sail Hybrid
7 Ironclads-Vesperia
-Sylvania
-Gladius
-Enterprize
-Serenity
-Elizabeth I
-Charles II
Observation/Precision Strike Airship-Scry
7 Corvettes
19 Torpedo Boats

Mercantile Escort-Fleet 3
Flagship-High Seas Ironclad-Aegis
11 Corvettes
16 Torpedo boats
Economic Policy:Generally free trade to foster growth of ideas, but the aristocracy holds much of the buying power of the nation, which it uses to undermine upstarts who are too dangerous to add to the nobility. Laws are in place however, to allow the nationalization of vital industries for the good of the nation.

Economic Situation:While in good order, the economy of Pallasia has a tendency to sacrifice development of rural areas and socially progressive policies for further bolstering of industry and the military. Attempts are being made to rectify this however, with many of the aristocracy beginning to advocate that military projects be made to have a dual purpose as civilian resources, and for better conditions and treatment of workers in factories and the cities.

Infrastructure: Architecture in Pallasia is heavily neo-classical, drawing on Greek and Roman forms while adding modern conveniences for functionality. Infrastructure is heavily developed in cities, with factories churning out modern goods and trains running between all major cities. However, save on the border with the Confederacy, many smaller towns that are not along the railroads are underdeveloped, with some lit by torches rather than lamp oil, and many not even having proper sewage systems.

Imports & Exports:Major imports include iron ore, various foodstuffs, machinery, tea and coffee, and experimental designs for weapons and civil devices from around the world.

Major exports include finished industrial products, chemicals, coal, and due to a recent boom in Sylvania, petroleum (This has begun to be bought up for national interests rather than foreign ones).
Currency: The Pallasian Sterling, upheld by stockpiles of silver in the national treasury.

History:WIP

-1653- Surviving Stuart family members and other loyalist elements in the new world call for a cessation of hostilities, and dominion over the British New World. An agreement is reached with the Lord Protector to allow British New World territories to decide whether they shall remain with the King or become a part of the new Commonwealth. Most mainland territories side with the king, save for those in New England.

-1659- Abolition of slavery within the United Kingdom.

-1680-Reorganization of the state into the Kingdom of Pallasia.

-1861-Beginning of the Pallasian civil war, also known as the Southron Revolution.
-1864-The end of the Pallasian civil war, with the loss of territories held by Southron rebels in terms of the treaty.
-1865-The General Investigation on the state of the military begins, leading to the complete reworking of the nation's military, including vast increases in funding and research funding.
-1873-Reworking of the senate, including reduced power for the King to veto, and the creation of the Lower house of the Senate for the Federal government.
-1878-Embassies and diplomatic overtures to the CSA are terminated, following a series of failed negotiations between the two.
Miscellaneous:All will be one
RP Example:
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History is almost finished, I will get it done once I get back from picking up supper for the family, any constructive crit any of ye can give would be appreciated :)
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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:48 pm

Alleniana wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:The IRL Population was ~20,000,000. I doubled because the Mongols in this era didn't wipe out ~60% of the population of my lands in 1200, more like 15%. Also, bolded wasn't in the prewritten history section. I'll lower it to ~40 million



There is no clear majority.


Fair enuff



It's like calling cities Jackson and Lincoln. And Madison.

http://populstat.info/Asia/iranc.htm This says all Iran had about 5 million.
http://populstat.info/Asia/iraqc.htm all Iraq had about 1.5 million
http://populstat.info/Asia/turkmenc.htm all Turkmenistan had about 0.5 million
http://populstat.info/Asia/pakistac.htm you've got a tiny fraction of Pakistan, but even if you added all of it on, you'd barely have 20 million
You get the idea. I don't see how a bit of Caucasus, Crimea, Arabia and the -stans could pull you from somewhere below 10 million to 20 million.

No clear majority, but there's a plurality and that's good enough.

And it wasn't in the history section because I haven't got round to adding it. I recall I put it somewhere in a list of things I intended to add, and the Mongol nation had it in their history that Mongols did what they did IRL. I also haven't written in stuff like the Communist Manifesto, birth/death of Jesus, rise of Europe, etc. stuff that obviously happened but isn't there yet

The Bolded more or less skewers the concept for the nation. If Mongols did what they did IRL, then Nestoria is unfeasible. I'm afraid I will have withdraw the application.
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Postby Caltarania » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:49 pm

Alleniana wrote:"Phillosophia"
:P


I read it as "Phallusophia". xD
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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:49 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Alleniana wrote:http://populstat.info/Asia/iranc.htm This says all Iran had about 5 million.
http://populstat.info/Asia/iraqc.htm all Iraq had about 1.5 million
http://populstat.info/Asia/turkmenc.htm all Turkmenistan had about 0.5 million
http://populstat.info/Asia/pakistac.htm you've got a tiny fraction of Pakistan, but even if you added all of it on, you'd barely have 20 million
You get the idea. I don't see how a bit of Caucasus, Crimea, Arabia and the -stans could pull you from somewhere below 10 million to 20 million.

No clear majority, but there's a plurality and that's good enough.

And it wasn't in the history section because I haven't got round to adding it. I recall I put it somewhere in a list of things I intended to add, and the Mongol nation had it in their history that Mongols did what they did IRL. I also haven't written in stuff like the Communist Manifesto, birth/death of Jesus, rise of Europe, etc. stuff that obviously happened but isn't there yet

The Bolded more or less skewers the concept for the nation. If Mongols did what they did IRL, then Nestoria is unfeasible. I'm afraid I will have withdraw the application.

Why is that? The Mongols conquered lots of places, simply having beat you in battles and razed a few cities shouldn't change the political circumstances.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:51 pm

Alleniana wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:The Bolded more or less skewers the concept for the nation. If Mongols did what they did IRL, then Nestoria is unfeasible. I'm afraid I will have withdraw the application.

Why is that? The Mongols conquered lots of places, simply having beat you in battles and razed a few cities shouldn't change the political circumstances.

The sixty to Seventy five percent population loss suffered in Persia and the southern Caucasus lead to the complete destruction of the previous political entities as major players.
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Postby Paketo » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:52 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Alleniana wrote:http://populstat.info/Asia/iranc.htm This says all Iran had about 5 million.
http://populstat.info/Asia/iraqc.htm all Iraq had about 1.5 million
http://populstat.info/Asia/turkmenc.htm all Turkmenistan had about 0.5 million
http://populstat.info/Asia/pakistac.htm you've got a tiny fraction of Pakistan, but even if you added all of it on, you'd barely have 20 million
You get the idea. I don't see how a bit of Caucasus, Crimea, Arabia and the -stans could pull you from somewhere below 10 million to 20 million.

No clear majority, but there's a plurality and that's good enough.

And it wasn't in the history section because I haven't got round to adding it. I recall I put it somewhere in a list of things I intended to add, and the Mongol nation had it in their history that Mongols did what they did IRL. I also haven't written in stuff like the Communist Manifesto, birth/death of Jesus, rise of Europe, etc. stuff that obviously happened but isn't there yet

The Bolded more or less skewers the concept for the nation. If Mongols did what they did IRL, then Nestoria is unfeasible. I'm afraid I will have withdraw the application.


Not totally as he says that the Mongol successor states formed and nothing else. They don't have to have conquered as far as they did in the ME and you could add conflicts with timur and his successors
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:53 pm

Paketo wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:The Bolded more or less skewers the concept for the nation. If Mongols did what they did IRL, then Nestoria is unfeasible. I'm afraid I will have withdraw the application.


Not totally as he says that the Mongol successor states formed and nothing else. They don't have to have conquered as far as they did in the ME and you could add conflicts with timur and his successors

^More or less what I presumed. I had the Mongols go through the southern half of the nation.
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Postby Alleniana » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:55 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Why is that? The Mongols conquered lots of places, simply having beat you in battles and razed a few cities shouldn't change the political circumstances.

The sixty to Seventy five percent population loss suffered in Persia and the southern Caucasus lead to the complete destruction of the previous political entities as major players.

...no? Qajar Persia was still considered a Great Power in the late 1700s, you know.

And where did you get 60%-75% figures from? Those sound implausibly high. Even the Mayans only got it somewhat worse.

When I said the Mongols did what they did IRL, I mean they conquered stuff and had a big empire. Very loose.

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Postby Paketo » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:56 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Paketo wrote:
Not totally as he says that the Mongol successor states formed and nothing else. They don't have to have conquered as far as they did in the ME and you could add conflicts with timur and his successors

^More or less what I presumed. I had the Mongols go through the southern half of the nation.


My suggestion, have the Mongols conquer most of Persia and then have Nestoria reconsider a good chunk from the aftermath of succession wars of the mongols
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:59 pm

Alleniana wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:The sixty to Seventy five percent population loss suffered in Persia and the southern Caucasus lead to the complete destruction of the previous political entities as major players.

1...no? Qajar Persia was still considered a Great Power in the late 1700s, you know.

2 And where did you get 60%-75% figures from? Those sound implausibly high. Even the Mayans only got it somewhat worse.

3 When I said the Mongols did what they did IRL, I mean they conquered stuff and had a big empire. Very loose.


1 Qajar =/= Khwarizmi. Same region, but the culture died.

2 The average total casualty loss of a Mongol Invasion hovered around 50%(Russia, Hungary, EE), and Persia got it extra hard so I assumed 10% more.

3 Can their big empire be somewhere else?
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:05 pm

ALLLLEEEEN!

Whenz canz I intoeth ICeth?

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Name: Military Coalition of the Andes (Portugese: Coalizão Militar dos Andes ) (CMA)
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Power: Minor Power

Government Structure: Federal Oligarchic Stratocracy
The CMA is ruled by the Preservação Nacional Conselho (National Preservation Council). This Council is a five man instutition, with one General representing each of the four military districts and the final seat being taken by the Commander-in-Chief/Admiral of the Fleet, who also administers the capital. Each General is responsible for raising and training his own forces and controlling all state-owned industry within their district, whilst the Commander-in-Chief is responsible for the upkeep of the Navy and allocation of money collected in from taxes and state-owned industry. The position of Commander-in-Chief is hereditary, whilst the Generals are either nominated by their predecessor in their will or directly elected by their soldiers.
Ideology/Policy: Militarism, Protectionism, Nationalism, State Capitalism
Leaders: Commander-in-Chief, Admiral of the Fleet and José de Avis, Preservação Nacional Conselho
Capital City: Lima

Population: 4,738,000
Primary Ethnic Group: Andean Portugese (30%)
Minority Ethnic Groups: Amerindean Tribal Peoples (45%) (General Label for numerous Amerindian tribal ethnic groups), African Immigrants/Freedmen (10%), Mesitzo (7%), Other European Migrants (7%) and Zambo (1%).
Description of Ethnicity: Although the largest single ethnic group are the Andean Portugese, the total of the various Amerindian groups added together outnumbers them but due to the disunited nature of the indigenous peoples they are unable to use their superior numbers. Mesitzos and Zambos are those of mixed Amerindian and European/African descent respectively.
Language: Portugese, as the language of government and buisness as well as their former colonial masters, serves as a de facto official language, although local regional languages are frequently within ethnic groups.
Religion: The vast majority of Andeans are Catholics; however, small minorities of native shamanists and other Christian denominations exist within it's borders.

Foreign Relations: Minimal. The CMA has chosen to remain aloof from the rest of the world, adopting a policy of semi-isolationism; this is primarily due to it's paranoia about a new colonisation of the Americas and partially due to disagreements in the Preservação Nacional Conselho on what foreign policy should be.
Military Information: The CMA, as a military-run state, devotes the majority of it's resources towards the armed forces; this has resulted in the Exército Nacional Andina (Andean National Army) being well-funded, but with slightly outdated weaponry while the Navy mostly uses outdated ships brought from Europe. The Exército Nacional Andina is a mixed conscript-volunteer force, with 3 years of military service being mandatory from the age of 18 unless exempt on grounds of insanity, ill health, imprisonment or the personal intervention of a member of the Preservação Nacional Conselho. After completing their military service, men are expected to remain on the reserves list until the age of 30 unless exempted for any of the same reasons one can be exempt from military service.
Army Size: 70,000 men standing, including those doing their 3-year military service, 155,000 reserves
Navy Size: 3 Ironclad Battleships, 2 Monitors, 2 Crusiers, 21 Torpedo Boats, 21,000 inc those doing their 3-year military service

Economic Policy: The CMA's economy is a mixed economy; the state owns all industries deemed to be 'in need of national ownership', which currently compromises mining, the railways, the telegraph and phone networks, banking and all heavy industry. No private ownership is allowed in these areas, although this isn't de jure, just de facto. Small, independent businesses and markets are allowed, but any buisness deemed to be 'large enough to threaten national interests' is broken up.
Economic Situation: Growing slowly; the state's control of a large section of the economy has slowed growth, but combined with high import tariffs on certain goods it has kept the Peruvian economy fairly stable against outside economic influences.
Infrastructure: Average-Poor. Although railways and telegraph lines link major military hubs with areas deemed to be 'strategic' and other military bases, as well as minds, the mountainous terrain of the majority of the CMA has prevented a large-scale railway system being implemented.
Imports & Exports: The CMA's only real imports are luxury goods for those few who can afford them and various military goofs due to the high tariffs placed on imported goods. This lack of imports also contributes to a distinct lack of exports, as only surplus minerals are actively exported, with the vast majority of goods being traded within the country.
Currency: Andean Prata

History: The CMA's history begins with the Portugese conquest of the Incan Empire in 1634, and the subsequent establishment of the Viceroyalty of the Andes to administer the newly conquered territories. The Viceroyalty of the Andes remained a loyal colonial region throughout the rest of the 1600s, supplying resources to Portugal, despite a few easily-crushed native uprisings.

However, in the mid-1700s, the mood began to change. The Viceroy, one Fernando de Granada, began to slowly test how much power he truly had and how far he could push before the Portugese government did anything. This period saw the creation of Andean nationalism, as Fernando gradually made himself effectively an autonomous leader of the Viceroyalty. In 1768, Fernando suffered a stroke and died, and the next Viceroy repealed all Fernando's changes, effectively shifting the balance of power back to Portugal. This created resentment in the populace, but knowing their masters were too strong, they could do nothing to overcome it.

During the Napoleonic Wars the Viceroyalty contributed troops to the Portugese armies fighting against Napoleon, which would lead to a series of events that would change the Viceroyalty's course of action forever.

After the Portugese Revolution of 1820, King Miguel and the Portuguese Royal Family fled to the Viceroyalty, which was the only one of their colonies to declare for the Crown. A wave of supporters followed, which eventually led to the proclamation of the Kingdom of the Andes in March 1821. The new Kingdom was soon toppled from within by a noble coup, supported by the military, which turned the monarch into a purely ceremonial figurehead while power rested with a noble Parliment in the new Andean Republic in December 1821. The new republic did not last long either, however, as Miguel persuaded the military to destroy the new republic and take control of the country in a military junta, with him as Commander-in-Chief in a hereditary position whilst abolishing the title of King.

The new Coalizão Militar dos Andes kept to itself for the next 60-ish years, industrialising and improving it's industry whilst ensuring it still possessed a decent military. This period also saw the adoption of the economic policy of state capitalism, after state control of everything had been demonstrated to be inefficient in many industries.
Miscellaneous: Totes not South American version of North Korea.
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Postby Mangjukoia » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:10 pm

Alleniana wrote:
Mangjukoia wrote:I'll just go with Ezo. If Japan ever happens to be retaken by Ezo, (Which probably would never happen) can I change it back to Japan?

Sure.

Does that mean I'm accepted or do I still have work to do on the application?

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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:12 pm

Lunas, can Andeans and Ryukyu into friendship?

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Postby Lunas Legion » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:13 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:Lunas, can Andeans and Ryukyu into friendship?


Nu. Andeans don't care about Asia. Asia is land of men in funny hats with strange swords.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:15 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:Lunas, can Andeans and Ryukyu into friendship?


Nu. Andeans don't care about Asia. Asia is land of men in funny hats with strange swords.


:p

Of coursings!

But we haz Ryukyuan agency blah...blah...training...brutal....Japan....Mongols....Karate...Okinawan....Jujutsu....MuayThai......Agency....Stronk...etc...

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:17 pm

According to wikipedia, Persia more or less lost 90% of it's people in the Mongol Invasion IRL, from 1200 to 1900, the Iranian Growth rate was .5%. Assuming in this time line, only 20% die, the population of Iran in 1880 would be 55 million.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:18 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Nu. Andeans don't care about Asia. Asia is land of men in funny hats with strange swords.


:p

Of coursings!

But we haz Ryukyuan agency blah...blah...training...brutal....Japan....Mongols....Karate...Okinawan....Jujutsu....MuayThai......Agency....Stronk...etc...


I have llamas and alpacas. I don't need any funny Asian stuff.
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