1202-The Reborn World-OOC

[Liecthenbourg]

gib antioch

I kinda need wherever I can get as the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

-throws money at you-
I shall ensure your survival.

[Alleniana]

gib antioch

I kinda need wherever I can get as the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

Mmm, if I can get a few juicy merchant quarters I'd be happy to direct trade your way, and look at naval cooperation.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Application
Nation Name: The Grand Principality of Kiev
Population: Three million inhabitants, or thereabout.
Capital City: Kiev
Government: Princedom
Technology: Eastern influenced, and high for the region due to links to Byzantium and the south. Strong steppe influences, as well as notable Germanic and Scandinavian tones. Trade ensures the circulation of knowledge, though the relatively uneducated population limits the creation of indigenous inspiration.
Economy: Rampant. Though somewhat reduced in scale due to the decentralization of the Rus' and the decline of Byzantine affairs, Kiev is still far and away the richest and most influential Principality within the Rus', though Novgorod and Vladimir-Sudzal are not far behind. Her large population and well-tended lands, as well as position atop important trade routes, leave Kiev the economic heart of Eastern Europe, behind Constantinople only.
Military: Three thousands of professional soldiers, the Prince's Nightguards, form the core of the Kievan Army. Paid directly by the Grand Prince, and loyal only to him, they are the mainstay of Kiev's forces, with local governors and garrisons supplying the numbers of levies that allow Kiev to campaign abroad. The Royal Kievan Lancers, a heavy horse archer and medium cavalry unit of eight hundred trained horsemen, make up the mounted portion of the Grand Prince's hosts. At sea Kiev maintains a moderate fleet of some twenty five longships and proto-cogs to protect her sea and river trade.
History: Nothing different aside from the RL history, which you can read anywhere on the Kievan' Rus, aside from two important details; Kiev's relationship in this timeline with Vladimir-Sudzal is distinctly friendly. with Kiev never being sacked, and following the death of Rurik Rostislavich in battle along with most of his male relatives with the Pereyaslavl forces, the rota system of monarchy has been replaced with a form of elective monarchy akin to the Novgorod Republic, though the elective process is still dominated by the supporters of the young prince Vladimir Yaroslavich. A child marriage between Crown Prince Vladimir and the young Anastasia Yuryevich is in the offing, under the guidance of Regent Nikolai Dmitriev.
Other: Nothing of note. Up the Rus'!
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[Lunas Legion]

I kinda need wherever I can get as the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

-throws money at you-
I shall ensure your survival.

Can you just park the Teutons/Templars/Hospitillers over here and then I should be fine, as long as you don't let those Venetians derail the Fourth Crusade.

[Liecthenbourg]

-throws money at you-
I shall ensure your survival.

Can you just park the Teutons/Templars/Hospitillers over here and then I should be fine, as long as you don't let those Venetians derail the Fourth Crusade.

I'll send the Templars and Hospitallers over there.

Teutons are for the Lithuanians

[Kargintina]

Application
Nation Name: Second Bulgarian Empire
Population: 4,000,000
Capital City: Tarnovo
Government: Absolute Monarchy under Tsar Kaloyan the Romanslayer
Technology: Western, mostly inherited from the Eastern Roman Empire, about average for this time.
Economy: based on agriculture, mining, traditional crafts and trade. Agriculture and livestock breeding are the backbone of the Bulgarian economy.
Military: About 40,000 men-at-arms, capable of mobilizing 100,000 men in a full on conflict. The commander-in-chief of the army is the emperor and the second-in-command is the velik voivoda. The detachments of the army are led by a voivoda. The strator is responsible for the defence of certain regions and the recruitment of soldiers.
History:

Isaac II Angelus, in order to raise money for the wedding of the daughter of King Bela III of Hungary, levied a new tax which fell heavily on the population of the Haemus Mountains. They sent two leaders (Peter and Asen) to negotiate with the emperor at Kypsella (now İpsala) in Thrace. They asked to be added to the roll of the Byzantine army and to be granted land near Haemus to provide the monetary income needed to pay the tax. This was refused, and Peter and Asen were treated roughly. Their response was to threaten revolt.

After their return, many of the protesters were unwilling to join the rebellion. The brothers Peter and Asen built the Church of St Demetrius of Thessaloniki in Tarnovo, dedicated to Saint Demetrius, who was traditionally considered a patron of the Byzantine city of Thessaloniki, and claimed that the Saint had ceased to favour the Byzantines: "God had decided to free the Bulgarians and the Vlach people and to lift the yoke that they had borne for so long". This persuaded their followers to attack Byzantine cities, seizing prisoners and cattle. Preslav, capital of the First Bulgarian Empire, was raided, and it was after this symbolic incident that Peter assumed the insignia of Tsar (or Emperor).

In the spring of 1186, Isaac started a counter-offensive. It was successful at first. During the solar eclipse of 21 April 1186, the Byzantines successfully attacked the rebels, many of whom fled north of the Danube, making contact with the Cumans. In a symbolic gesture, Isaac II entered Peter's house and took the icon of Saint Demetrius, thus regaining the saint's favour. Still under threat of ambush from the hills, Isaac returned hastily to Constantinople to celebrate his victory. Thus, when the armies of Bulgarians and the Vlachs returned, reinforced with their Cuman allies, they found the region undefended and regained not only their old territory but the whole of Moesia, a considerable step towards the establishment of a new Bulgarian state.

The Emperor now entrusted the war to his uncle, John the sebastocrator, who gained several victories against the rebels but then himself rebelled. He was replaced with the emperor's brother-in-law, John Kantakouzenos, a good strategist but unfamiliar with the guerrilla tactics used by the mountaineers. His army was ambushed, suffering heavy losses, after unwisely pursuing the enemy into the mountains.

The third general in charge of fighting the rebels was Alexius Branas, who, in turn, rebelled and turned on Constantinople. Isaac defeated him with the help of a second brother-in-law, Conrad of Montferrat, but this civil strife had diverted attention from the rebels and Isaac was able to send out a new army only in September 1187. The Byzantines obtained a few minor victories before winter, but the rebels, helped by the Cumans and employing their mountain tactics, still held the advantage.

In the spring of 1187, Isaac attacked the fortress of Lovech, but failed to capture it after a three-month siege. The lands between the Haemus and the Danube were now lost to the Byzantine Empire. The Emperor's only consolation was to hold, as hostages, Asen's wife and a certain John (future Kaloyan of Bulgaria), brother of the two new leaders of the Bulgarian state.

Other: N/A
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[Lunas Legion]

Can you just park the Teutons/Templars/Hospitillers over here and then I should be fine, as long as you don't let those Venetians derail the Fourth Crusade.

I'll send the Templars and Hospitallers over there.

Teutons are for the Lithuanians

The Lithuanians don't hold Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

[Alleniana]

Is there AH? I thought it was 1202 RL onwards?

[Snovatgatovia]

Reserving Ayyubid Sultanate.

[Lunas Legion]

Reserving Ayyubid Sultanate.

They've already been reserved.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Can you just park the Teutons/Templars/Hospitillers over here and then I should be fine, as long as you don't let those Venetians derail the Fourth Crusade.

I'll send the Templars and Hospitallers over there.

Teutons are for the Lithuanians

Yes yes, we crushen ze crazy pegens.

Also, does my pop look reasonable? European Russia is generally pegged around 7.5 million in this time period.

[Snovatgatovia]

Reserving Ayyubid Sultanate.

They've already been reserved.

Whoops my bad, I must have missed that one on the list. I'll reserve the Seljuk Turks instead.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I am allowing a little AH in the year or so up to 1202 to allow for exact lineages and what not.

All Applications accepted

G tech - 2-3 million or so
Kargintina - Lower Population to 4 million

[Liecthenbourg]

I'll send the Templars and Hospitallers over there.

Teutons are for the Lithuanians

The Lithuanians don't hold Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

That's why you get two, Lithuanians only get met by angry German Knights with funny hats. -nodnod-

[Alleniana]

I'll send the Templars and Hospitallers over there.

Teutons are for the Lithuanians

Yes yes, we crushen ze crazy pegens.

Also, does my pop look reasonable? European Russia is generally pegged around 7.5 million in this time period.

Mmm, seems a bit much to have ~50% of European Russia's pop when Kiev scarcely owns 5% of European Russia's landmass, or scarcely 10% of its landmass owned by state societies.

[Kargintina]

I am allowing a little AH in the year or so up to 1202 to allow for exact lineages and what not.

All Applications accepted

G tech - 2-3 million or so
Kargintina - Lower Population to 4 million

done

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yes yes, we crushen ze crazy pegens.

Also, does my pop look reasonable? European Russia is generally pegged around 7.5 million in this time period.

Mmm, seems a bit much to have ~50% of European Russia's pop when Kiev scarcely owns 5% of European Russia's landmass, or scarcely 10% of its landmass owned by state societies.

Eh, I've looked into it. Kiev as a region was very population dense in comparison to its land mass; Kiev prior to the Mongol invasion rivaled Constantinople in size for a time. The Principality is based in the heart of the Ukraine, which is Russland's breadbasket. The next largest population centers would be in Pereyaslavl and Novgorod, iirc.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Mmm, seems a bit much to have ~50% of European Russia's pop when Kiev scarcely owns 5% of European Russia's landmass, or scarcely 10% of its landmass owned by state societies.

Eh, I've looked into it. Kiev as a region was very population dense in comparison to its land mass; Kiev prior to the Mongol invasion rivaled Constantinople in size for a time. The Principality is based in the heart of the Ukraine, which is Russland's breadbasket. The next largest population centers would be in Pereyaslavl and Novgorod, iirc.

Yes, 2-3 million or so. Like 1/3 of the population in an area Galicia to Kipchak, Sami to Gothia

[Lunas Legion]

The Lithuanians don't hold Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

That's why you get two, Lithuanians only get met by angry German Knights with funny hats. -nodnod-

As long as I get direct control over them and the Fourth Crusade isn't commandeered.

[Mesrane]

I am allowing a little AH in the year or so up to 1202 to allow for exact lineages and what not.

Really? Oh good (Not so much for the Kingdom of the Isles).

App almost done.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

That's why you get two, Lithuanians only get met by angry German Knights with funny hats. -nodnod-

As long as I get direct control over them and the Fourth Crusade isn't commandeered.

As Byzantium, that 4th Crusade Shit ain't happening.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

As long as I get direct control over them and the Fourth Crusade isn't commandeered.

As Byzantium, that 4th Crusade Shit ain't happening.

*Enrico turns in his grave

[Liecthenbourg]

That's why you get two, Lithuanians only get met by angry German Knights with funny hats. -nodnod-

As long as I get direct control over them and the Fourth Crusade isn't commandeered.

Sounds fine by me - and don't worry, we wont call a Fourth Crusade unless His Holiness can personally command it from atop the largest ship the Mediterranean has ever seen

[Lunas Legion]

As long as I get direct control over them and the Fourth Crusade isn't commandeered.

As Byzantium, that 4th Crusade Shit ain't happening.

No, the Fourth Crusade is happening how it was meant to happen (i.e no Venetians/deposed Byzantine Emperor divert it from it's proper destination of the Holy Land).

[Epraria]

As long as I get direct control over them and the Fourth Crusade isn't commandeered.

As Byzantium, that 4th Crusade Shit ain't happening.

Would Byzantium like to be friends with Georgia in order to protect Christianity Anatolia and the Caucasus?