The Historical RP Group HQ 2

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

The South was incompetent when it came to leadership and whatnot during the American Civil War, unless the British literally took over commanding their army they would have lost again. And the British could not have entered the war unless they wanted to starve everyone in the Isles to death and lose all of their massive investments in American railroads.

Plus, lack of actual resources needed to win a war combined with daft soldiers that shoot their own generals is not a recipe for victory.

The South was destined to lose and tbh it's karma really. Rightfully so too, independence in the name of having the "right" to own other people is a pretty awful reason to start a nation tbh.

Nae, the war was clearly about state's rights *nod*


In particular the right for people to own and sell other people like livestock

[Kryskov]

Nae, the war was clearly about state's rights *nod*


In particular the right for people to own and sell other people like livestock

I think that's what the "right" is in Glit's quote.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Nae, the war was clearly about state's rights *nod*


In particular the right for people to own and sell other people like livestock

I think that's what the "right" is in Glit's quote.

Ja, indeed ser

[Sabara]

annyeonghaseyo

[Arumdaum]

annyeonghaseyo

*안녕하세요

[Sabara]

annyeonghaseyo

*안녕하세요

D:<

romajaaaaaa

#weeaboo

[Reatra]

*안녕하세요

D:<

romajaaaaaa

#weeaboo

wut

[Terminus Alpha]

Once I get back home, I'll type up something more complete, but I've been basically formulating something like this after I saw the Air and Space museum.

The first steps taken upon the Moon by the Americans we're seen as a triumph by many, but to their enemies - the Soviets - it was a call to arms. The capitalists could not seize control of space!

A year - to the day - after the American Moon landing, Soviet cosmonauts planted the flag of the Union in the lunar soil. This was followed by an announcement by the USSR that they would take the next leap in the Space Race - the commissioning of the Yuri-1 project, a plan for a moon base, similar to those on Antarctica.

This announcment stunned the world. Many analysts concluded that the Soviets were simply bluffing. Most people West of the Iron Curtain thought the Soviets were insane.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy was not one of these people. He had pledged an oath to uphold American values against the threat of Communism, and any moves that the Soviets made to get out of their Containment had to be countered. Cuba had been one attempt that the free world had countered, as was Korea. Now the Soviets were trying to move into space, and they had to be countered.

America announced a similar project - Plan "Aldrin" - a month after the Soviets. It seemed the Cold war was heading to space.

And it did. The first modules for both bases landed days apart from each other. By 1973, both bases were complete and operating, but this was just the start of the global space race.

European astronauts were operating on their own moon-base within the decade, as were the Chinese.

By 1984, the Moon was home to the first permanent settlements, settlements that focused on capturing and refining Helium-3 for fusion experiments on Earth, in addition to serving as a military outpost and an prestige symbol for the colonizing nation.

1985 would see the first men on Mars and in their wake, more bases, this time serving as a second home for many in addition to the tons of ores and scientific data.

Unfortunately, these products only served to stoke the embers beneath the Cold War. Successful fusion only caused more debates over the access to both the Tech and the Helium needed to power humanity for eternity. Ore from Mars and the Moon was refined into tanks and bullets. Humanity - at least in its cradle - was unsustainable.

The mushroom clouds grew over the cities of Earth on November 5, 1992. The lights of Earth continued to glow for a year, until they slowly faded into the darkness.

For the eight years since Doomsday, the children of Earth have both grown and died. These colonies hold the last embers of Humanity's golden age. As we enter the Second millennium AD, the orphans of a Dead world have found their siblings, and now look into an uncertain future. Earth is too primitive or irradiated to warrant a return, and the first generation of Space-born are unsure if they could survive Earth. The path is clear, and it leads out, away from the now barren womb of Earth, and into the cold open arms of Space.

[Reatra]

Once I get back home, I'll type up something more complete, but I've been basically formulating something like this after I saw the Air and Space museum.

The first steps taken upon the Moon by the Americans we're seen as a triumph by many, but to their enemies - the Soviets - it was a call to arms. The capitalists could not seize control of space!

A year - to the day - after the American Moon landing, Soviet cosmonauts planted the flag of the Union in the lunar soil. This was followed by an announcement by the USSR that they would take the next leap in the Space Race - the commissioning of the Yuri-1 project, a plan for a moon base, similar to those on Antarctica.

This announcment stunned the world. Many analysts concluded that the Soviets were simply bluffing. Most people West of the Iron Curtain thought the Soviets were insane.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy was not one of these people. He had pledged an oath to uphold American values against the threat of Communism, and any moves that the Soviets made to get out of their Containment had to be countered. Cuba had been one attempt that the free world had countered, as was Korea. Now the Soviets were trying to move into space, and they had to be countered.

America announced a similar project - Plan "Aldrin" - a month after the Soviets. It seemed the Cold war was heading to space.

And it did. The first modules for both bases landed days apart from each other. By 1973, both bases were complete and operating, but this was just the start of the global space race.

European astronauts were operating on their own moon-base within the decade, as were the Chinese.

By 1984, the Moon was home to the first permanent settlements, settlements that focused on capturing and refining Helium-3 for fusion experiments on Earth, in addition to serving as a military outpost and an prestige symbol for the colonizing nation.

1985 would see the first men on Mars and in their wake, more bases, this time serving as a second home for many in addition to the tons of ores and scientific data.

Unfortunately, these products only served to stoke the embers beneath the Cold War. Successful fusion only caused more debates over the access to both the Tech and the Helium needed to power humanity for eternity. Ore from Mars and the Moon was refined into tanks and bullets. Humanity - at least in its cradle - was unsustainable.

The mushroom clouds grew over the cities of Earth on November 5, 1992. The lights of Earth continued to glow for a year, until they slowly faded into the darkness.

For the eight years since Doomsday, the children of Earth have both grown and died. These colonies hold the last embers of Humanity's golden age. As we enter the Second millennium AD, the orphans of a Dead world have found their siblings, and now look into an uncertain future. Earth is too primitive or irradiated to warrant a return, and the first generation of Space-born are unsure if they could survive Earth. The path is clear, and it leads out, away from the now barren womb of Earth, and into the cold open arms of Space.

I never understand how nuclear wars can take out the whole world. For example, would the USA or the Societs really see fit to spend nukes that should go to NATO or Warsaw countries on Perú or Mali?

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Once I get back home, I'll type up something more complete, but I've been basically formulating something like this after I saw the Air and Space museum.

The first steps taken upon the Moon by the Americans we're seen as a triumph by many, but to their enemies - the Soviets - it was a call to arms. The capitalists could not seize control of space!

A year - to the day - after the American Moon landing, Soviet cosmonauts planted the flag of the Union in the lunar soil. This was followed by an announcement by the USSR that they would take the next leap in the Space Race - the commissioning of the Yuri-1 project, a plan for a moon base, similar to those on Antarctica.

This announcment stunned the world. Many analysts concluded that the Soviets were simply bluffing. Most people West of the Iron Curtain thought the Soviets were insane.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy was not one of these people. He had pledged an oath to uphold American values against the threat of Communism, and any moves that the Soviets made to get out of their Containment had to be countered. Cuba had been one attempt that the free world had countered, as was Korea. Now the Soviets were trying to move into space, and they had to be countered.

America announced a similar project - Plan "Aldrin" - a month after the Soviets. It seemed the Cold war was heading to space.

And it did. The first modules for both bases landed days apart from each other. By 1973, both bases were complete and operating, but this was just the start of the global space race.

European astronauts were operating on their own moon-base within the decade, as were the Chinese.

By 1984, the Moon was home to the first permanent settlements, settlements that focused on capturing and refining Helium-3 for fusion experiments on Earth, in addition to serving as a military outpost and an prestige symbol for the colonizing nation.

1985 would see the first men on Mars and in their wake, more bases, this time serving as a second home for many in addition to the tons of ores and scientific data.

Unfortunately, these products only served to stoke the embers beneath the Cold War. Successful fusion only caused more debates over the access to both the Tech and the Helium needed to power humanity for eternity. Ore from Mars and the Moon was refined into tanks and bullets. Humanity - at least in its cradle - was unsustainable.

The mushroom clouds grew over the cities of Earth on November 5, 1992. The lights of Earth continued to glow for a year, until they slowly faded into the darkness.

For the eight years since Doomsday, the children of Earth have both grown and died. These colonies hold the last embers of Humanity's golden age. As we enter the Second millennium AD, the orphans of a Dead world have found their siblings, and now look into an uncertain future. Earth is too primitive or irradiated to warrant a return, and the first generation of Space-born are unsure if they could survive Earth. The path is clear, and it leads out, away from the now barren womb of Earth, and into the cold open arms of Space.

I never understand how nuclear wars can take out the whole world. For example, would the USA or the Societs really see fit to spend nukes that should go to NATO or Warsaw countries on Perú or Mali?

Mostly the prospect of nuclear winter, however, in most cases the Southern Hemisphere should be fairly well off, albeit colder

[ROBOPOLIS2]

Why didn't Alfonso conquer the moors when he had the chance?

[Reatra]

I never understand how nuclear wars can take out the whole world. For example, would the USA or the Societs really see fit to spend nukes that should go to NATO or Warsaw countries on Perú or Mali?

Mostly the prospect of nuclear winter, however, in most cases the Southern Hemisphere should be fairly well off, albeit colder

#NewInkaEmpire1k992

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Mostly the prospect of nuclear winter, however, in most cases the Southern Hemisphere should be fairly well off, albeit colder

#NewInkaEmpire1k992

#BraziliaAeterna1992

[Reatra]

#NewInkaEmpire1k992

#BraziliaAeterna1992

#ForgotBrasilExists2k15

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Any new RP's that I could join?

[Reatra]

Any new RP's that I could join?

Ja.

[Terminus Alpha]

Once I get back home, I'll type up something more complete, but I've been basically formulating something like this after I saw the Air and Space museum.

The first steps taken upon the Moon by the Americans we're seen as a triumph by many, but to their enemies - the Soviets - it was a call to arms. The capitalists could not seize control of space!

A year - to the day - after the American Moon landing, Soviet cosmonauts planted the flag of the Union in the lunar soil. This was followed by an announcement by the USSR that they would take the next leap in the Space Race - the commissioning of the Yuri-1 project, a plan for a moon base, similar to those on Antarctica.

This announcment stunned the world. Many analysts concluded that the Soviets were simply bluffing. Most people West of the Iron Curtain thought the Soviets were insane.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy was not one of these people. He had pledged an oath to uphold American values against the threat of Communism, and any moves that the Soviets made to get out of their Containment had to be countered. Cuba had been one attempt that the free world had countered, as was Korea. Now the Soviets were trying to move into space, and they had to be countered.

America announced a similar project - Plan "Aldrin" - a month after the Soviets. It seemed the Cold war was heading to space.

And it did. The first modules for both bases landed days apart from each other. By 1973, both bases were complete and operating, but this was just the start of the global space race.

European astronauts were operating on their own moon-base within the decade, as were the Chinese.

By 1984, the Moon was home to the first permanent settlements, settlements that focused on capturing and refining Helium-3 for fusion experiments on Earth, in addition to serving as a military outpost and an prestige symbol for the colonizing nation.

1985 would see the first men on Mars and in their wake, more bases, this time serving as a second home for many in addition to the tons of ores and scientific data.

Unfortunately, these products only served to stoke the embers beneath the Cold War. Successful fusion only caused more debates over the access to both the Tech and the Helium needed to power humanity for eternity. Ore from Mars and the Moon was refined into tanks and bullets. Humanity - at least in its cradle - was unsustainable.

The mushroom clouds grew over the cities of Earth on November 5, 1992. The lights of Earth continued to glow for a year, until they slowly faded into the darkness.

For the eight years since Doomsday, the children of Earth have both grown and died. These colonies hold the last embers of Humanity's golden age. As we enter the Second millennium AD, the orphans of a Dead world have found their siblings, and now look into an uncertain future. Earth is too primitive or irradiated to warrant a return, and the first generation of Space-born are unsure if they could survive Earth. The path is clear, and it leads out, away from the now barren womb of Earth, and into the cold open arms of Space.

I never understand how nuclear wars can take out the whole world. For example, would the USA or the Societs really see fit to spend nukes that should go to NATO or Warsaw countries on Perú or Mali?

Honestly, I'd like to focus on the Space colonies, not what ever is happening on Earth.

[Reatra]

I never understand how nuclear wars can take out the whole world. For example, would the USA or the Societs really see fit to spend nukes that should go to NATO or Warsaw countries on Perú or Mali?

Honestly, I'd like to focus on the Space colonies, not what ever is happening on Earth.

I know, I just don't get how the whole planet dies.

[The New Lowlands]

Honestly, I'd like to focus on the Space colonies, not what ever is happening on Earth.

I know, I just don't get how the whole planet dies.

It doesn't.

Generally, even germany could probably recover from a nuclear war.

Unless they let the ash and dust get into the atmosphere, in which case the northern hemisphere prolly goes extinct or something, but that's unlikely.

[Senkaku]

Honestly, I'd like to focus on the Space colonies, not what ever is happening on Earth.

I know, I just don't get how the whole planet dies.

This tiny little thing called nuclear fallout. Hell, the detonation from just a few bombs in remote places made a whole bunch of atolls uninhabitable for the next few thousand years, wiped out Aborigine groups, and killed fishermen hundreds of miles away. The Trinity test (a small fission bomb) was nearly cancelled because there was just rain in the area and if they detonated it into the clouds radiation would literally rain down on the people around the test site.

If you detonate a few thousand thermonuclear weapons over major cities and military bases (where there's a lot more material that gets lofted- ash, dust, the usual radioactive isotopes), without any concern for weather conditions, around the world on every continent (and focusing a bit more on big population centers, and industrial centers and centers of wealth in the Northern Hemisphere) that might cause a few problems.

If you still don't get it I'll explain it another way. Trinity could have killed loads of people from radiation and it was a dinky little 20kt blast in the middle of nowhere. Now imagine detonating a few multiple-megaton or even "just" a few hundred kiloton weapons over, say, the Pearl River Delta as a rainstorm is moving in.
That's a whole lot of dead people all of a sudden, and a whole lot of industry and port facilities that could've been used to save the lives of others in poorer countries that are now unusable for the next 20,000 years.

There are several waves of deaths from an apocalyptic nuclear scenario. There's the people who get incinerated or smashed to pieces by shrapnel or ripped apart by the shockwave. After them there's the wounded who die later that day or in the next few days (as well as the sick people whose hospitals are suddenly in ruins without power). Then people start coming down with radiation sickness around the hypocenter and dying like flies. After that, especially in dense urban areas, or possibly concurrently with this, suddenly no one has food or water (at least that's safe to eat), because all the places that could have sent them food or water are having the exact same problem. So people start starving, fighting, dying of thirst (and even the rainwater isn't safe to drink, because it's all been infused with the delicious flavor of strontium-90 and cesium-137). People get sick for other reasons. If there's a second wave of nuclear attacks, this process may repeat, and if there's limited conventional fighting people are going to be slaughtered too.
Eventually the fallout from other cities will hit the few areas that are still habitable, carried on the wind, and then everyone dies, leaves the planet, or buries themselves real damn deep and waits for twenty or thirty thousand years until the surface stops glowing.

[Reatra]

I know, I just don't get how the whole planet dies.

This tiny little thing called nuclear fallout. Hell, the detonation from just a few bombs in remote places made a whole bunch of atolls uninhabitable for the next few thousand years, wiped out Aborigine groups, and killed fishermen hundreds of miles away. The Trinity test (a small fission bomb) was nearly cancelled because there was just rain in the area and if they detonated it into the clouds radiation would literally rain down on the people around the test site.

If you detonate a few thousand thermonuclear weapons over major cities and military bases (where there's a lot more material that gets lofted- ash, dust, the usual radioactive isotopes), without any concern for weather conditions, around the world on every continent (and focusing a bit more on big population centers, and industrial centers and centers of wealth in the Northern Hemisphere) that might cause a few problems.

If you still don't get it I'll explain it another way. Trinity could have killed loads of people from radiation and it was a dinky little 20kt blast in the middle of nowhere. Now imagine detonating a few multiple-megaton or even "just" a few hundred kiloton weapons over, say, the Pearl River Delta as a rainstorm is moving in.
That's a whole lot of dead people all of a sudden, and a whole lot of industry and port facilities that could've been used to save the lives of others in poorer countries that are now unusable for the next 20,000 years.

There are several waves of deaths from an apocalyptic nuclear scenario. There's the people who get incinerated or smashed to pieces by shrapnel or ripped apart by the shockwave. After them there's the wounded who die later that day or in the next few days (as well as the sick people whose hospitals are suddenly in ruins without power). Then people start coming down with radiation sickness around the hypocenter and dying like flies. After that, especially in dense urban areas, or possibly concurrently with this, suddenly no one has food or water (at least that's safe to eat), because all the places that could have sent them food or water are having the exact same problem. So people start starving, fighting, dying of thirst (and even the rainwater isn't safe to drink, because it's all been infused with the delicious flavor of strontium-90 and cesium-137). People get sick for other reasons. If there's a second wave of nuclear attacks, this process may repeat, and if there's limited conventional fighting people are going to be slaughtered too.
Eventually the fallout from other cities will hit the few areas that are still habitable, carried on the wind, and then everyone dies, leaves the planet, or buries themselves real damn deep and waits for twenty or thirty thousand years until the surface stops glowing.

That would really only obliterate the northern hemisphere, though, and maybe Brasil and Austrailia or something. What I mean is how Africa and the Southern hemisphere would be bombed back to the stone age.

What I'm asking is how nobody seems to realize that even fallout and cancer everywhere

[New Rnclave]

Fortunate Son : The Story of American Victory and Soviet Collapse: ( Rp Idea )

The United States' victories in Vietnam are more decisive, instilling in the North Vietnamese government a belief that the United States will attack again if they break the truce with South Vietnam. The election of Ronald Reagan, the staunch anti-communist, in 1976 after Richard Nixon sealed the deal for Hanoi. Reagan's policies of fighting the Soviets everywhere led to an ironic cooperation with the Chinese, who themselves invaded Vietnam in 1978. Although the war ended in a stalemate, it cemented the Sino-Soviet split forever. Both China and the United States gave large amounts of covert support to the Afghan mujahideen, who proved capable of resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and forcing the mighty superpower to retreat from Afghanistan, humiliated. Of course, the Soviets had greater problems on their hands. The Soviet economy was stagnating, and the old Party guard was dying out. There was a conflict between those who would reform the Soviet Union, and the hardliners who would stay the course. Initially, the reformer Mikhail Gorbachev took control and began to liberalize the Soviet Union, but opposition from hardliners prevented him from doing as much as he wanted. Eventually, this conflict turned violent. In 1990, as the Warsaw Pact collapsed, elements of the Soviet Army began to prop up the Warsaw Pact regimes without Moscow's authorization. When Gorbachev ordered them to stand down, they refused to listen, and Gorbachev himself became the TARGET of a botched coup. Gorbachev survived and escaped Moscow, and led elements loyal to him against those loyal to the military-KGB junta in Moscow. The situation deteriorated quickly, with some Soviet republics seceding from the USSR in the chaos. By November of 1990, the Soviet Union was in a state of civil war. The Soviet Civil War was a decade-long conflict, finally ending in 2000 as the remaining warring factions agreed to a ceasefire. Much of the Soviet Union's nuclear arsenal had been SECURED by the UN during the fighting, but some came under the control of the warring states, and some were used against Soviet cities and military installations. None of the belligerents dared to use them on foreign targets, knowing that the entire USSR would be turned to ash if they did. The use of nuclear weapons did bring the outside world, principally the United States, the European powers, and China into the conflict as UN peacekeepers. Unlike the Korean War, the UN forces did cooperate with one another and did not fight one another, even if they did back opposing factions.

[Altito Asmoro]

Fortunate Son : The Story of American Victory and Soviet Collapse: ( Rp Idea )

The United States' victories in Vietnam are more decisive, instilling in the North Vietnamese government a belief that the United States will attack again if they break the truce with South Vietnam. The election of Ronald Reagan, the staunch anti-communist, in 1976 after Richard Nixon sealed the deal for Hanoi. Reagan's policies of fighting the Soviets everywhere led to an ironic cooperation with the Chinese, who themselves invaded Vietnam in 1978. Although the war ended in a stalemate, it cemented the Sino-Soviet split forever. Both China and the United States gave large amounts of covert support to the Afghan mujahideen, who proved capable of resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and forcing the mighty superpower to retreat from Afghanistan, humiliated. Of course, the Soviets had greater problems on their hands. The Soviet economy was stagnating, and the old Party guard was dying out. There was a conflict between those who would reform the Soviet Union, and the hardliners who would stay the course. Initially, the reformer Mikhail Gorbachev took control and began to liberalize the Soviet Union, but opposition from hardliners prevented him from doing as much as he wanted. Eventually, this conflict turned violent. In 1990, as the Warsaw Pact collapsed, elements of the Soviet Army began to prop up the Warsaw Pact regimes without Moscow's authorization. When Gorbachev ordered them to stand down, they refused to listen, and Gorbachev himself became the TARGET of a botched coup. Gorbachev survived and escaped Moscow, and led elements loyal to him against those loyal to the military-KGB junta in Moscow. The situation deteriorated quickly, with some Soviet republics seceding from the USSR in the chaos. By November of 1990, the Soviet Union was in a state of civil war. The Soviet Civil War was a decade-long conflict, finally ending in 2000 as the remaining warring factions agreed to a ceasefire. Much of the Soviet Union's nuclear arsenal had been SECURED by the UN during the fighting, but some came under the control of the warring states, and some were used against Soviet cities and military installations. None of the belligerents dared to use them on foreign targets, knowing that the entire USSR would be turned to ash if they did. The use of nuclear weapons did bring the outside world, principally the United States, the European powers, and China into the conflict as UN peacekeepers. Unlike the Korean War, the UN forces did cooperate with one another and did not fight one another, even if they did back opposing factions.

It's a good idea.

[New Rnclave]

Fortunate Son : The Story of American Victory and Soviet Collapse: ( Rp Idea )

The United States' victories in Vietnam are more decisive, instilling in the North Vietnamese government a belief that the United States will attack again if they break the truce with South Vietnam. The election of Ronald Reagan, the staunch anti-communist, in 1976 after Richard Nixon sealed the deal for Hanoi. Reagan's policies of fighting the Soviets everywhere led to an ironic cooperation with the Chinese, who themselves invaded Vietnam in 1978. Although the war ended in a stalemate, it cemented the Sino-Soviet split forever. Both China and the United States gave large amounts of covert support to the Afghan mujahideen, who proved capable of resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and forcing the mighty superpower to retreat from Afghanistan, humiliated. Of course, the Soviets had greater problems on their hands. The Soviet economy was stagnating, and the old Party guard was dying out. There was a conflict between those who would reform the Soviet Union, and the hardliners who would stay the course. Initially, the reformer Mikhail Gorbachev took control and began to liberalize the Soviet Union, but opposition from hardliners prevented him from doing as much as he wanted. Eventually, this conflict turned violent. In 1990, as the Warsaw Pact collapsed, elements of the Soviet Army began to prop up the Warsaw Pact regimes without Moscow's authorization. When Gorbachev ordered them to stand down, they refused to listen, and Gorbachev himself became the TARGET of a botched coup. Gorbachev survived and escaped Moscow, and led elements loyal to him against those loyal to the military-KGB junta in Moscow. The situation deteriorated quickly, with some Soviet republics seceding from the USSR in the chaos. By November of 1990, the Soviet Union was in a state of civil war. The Soviet Civil War was a decade-long conflict, finally ending in 2000 as the remaining warring factions agreed to a ceasefire. Much of the Soviet Union's nuclear arsenal had been SECURED by the UN during the fighting, but some came under the control of the warring states, and some were used against Soviet cities and military installations. None of the belligerents dared to use them on foreign targets, knowing that the entire USSR would be turned to ash if they did. The use of nuclear weapons did bring the outside world, principally the United States, the European powers, and China into the conflict as UN peacekeepers. Unlike the Korean War, the UN forces did cooperate with one another and did not fight one another, even if they did back opposing factions.

It's a good idea.

Alternate histroy stuff form around the web inspired me

[Altito Asmoro]

It's a good idea.

Alternate histroy stuff form around the web inspired me

AH stuffs are better when the creators know what they are doing, and know the facts without trying to make it ridiculous and ASB.