AWWA Part III-The Great War(OOC-Now Closed)

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:37 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:It isn't national, though, and there's going to be serious dispute in the CSA if the federal government has the authority to get rid of it(akin to OTL).

Yeah, but you'd see the Latin American states probably protesting against Jim Crow policy. Over half of the OAS wouldn't be happy about Jim Crow not being suppressed by Washington.

And half of Washington would say that, under its federalist system, the Confederate national government doesn't have the authority to suppress Jim Crow. Remember, the CSA isn't run by a unitary government, and states' rights advocates are going to be even more powerful than they are OTL. The people that oppose Jim Crow won't have the necessary majority in the government to try and get rid of it until the 1950s, and the states with Jim Crow will fight it well into the 1960s. Much like many Americans, many Confederates are very easily swayed by the "government tyranny" argument due to the CSA's history, and there will be a lot of dispute over what federalism entails.

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:41 pm

The United Republics of Central America
Las Repúblicas Unidas de Centroamérica

Capital: Managua, República de Nicaragua
Government: Presidential Dictatorship
National Language: Spanish
National Religion: Roman Catholic

Provinces:
República de Guatemala
República de Belice
República de El Salvador
República de Honduras
República de Nicaragua
República de Costa Rica
República de la Costa de los Mosquitos
República de La Española

Presidents of the Republic:

Alberto Ramos (1815-1832)
Partido Nacionalista, from Guatemala

Aaron Puentes-Corchero (1832-1857)
Partido Nacionalista from Guatemala

Miguel Banderas (1857-1869)
Partido Nacionalista from Costa Rica

Antonio Cabrera (1869-1894)
Partido Populista from El Salvador

Miguel Bolivar (1894-1918)
Partido Populista from El Salvador

Agustin Durante (1918-1959)
Partido Fascista from Belize

Diego Ramirez (1959-1974)
Partido Fascista from El Salvador

Juan Martinez (1974-1976)
Partido Socialista from Costa Rica

Alejandro Gonzalez (1976-1984)
Partido Socialista from Mosquito Coast

Angela Cabrera (1984-2000)
Partido Nacionalista from Honduras

Inigo Montoya (2000-)
Partido Socialista from La Española

[To be finished]

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:41 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Yeah, but you'd see the Latin American states probably protesting against Jim Crow policy. Over half of the OAS wouldn't be happy about Jim Crow not being suppressed by Washington.

And half of Washington would say that, under its federalist system, the Confederate national government doesn't have the authority to suppress Jim Crow. Remember, the CSA isn't run by a unitary government, and states' rights advocates are going to be even more powerful than they are OTL. The people that oppose Jim Crow won't have the necessary majority in the government to try and get rid of it until the 1950s, and the states with Jim Crow will fight it well into the 1960s. Much like many Americans, many Confederates are very easily swayed by the "government tyranny" argument due to the CSA's history, and there will be a lot of dispute over what federalism entails.

Indeed, but those states would still grumble about it.

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:42 pm

I get the feeling that Francophonic/Creole-speaking Haitians will not feel very much at home in the URCA.

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:47 pm

Ruridova wrote:I get the feeling that Francophonic/Creole-speaking Haitians will not feel very much at home in the URCA.

Not particularly, but they're not exactly actively suppressed either. There's a swing in Francophonic sympathy in 2010 after the Santa Maria del Puerto earthquake (OTL 2010 Port-au-Prince earthquake).

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:49 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:I get the feeling that Francophonic/Creole-speaking Haitians will not feel very much at home in the URCA.

Not particularly, but they're not exactly actively suppressed either. There's a swing in Francophonic sympathy in 2010 after the Santa Maria del Puerto earthquake (OTL 2010 Port-au-Prince earthquake).

Still, the rise of protests against Confederate policies that favor one race or group might have certain... repercussions in Haiti. It is, after all, near the CS states of Cuba, the Bahamas, and Puerto Rico...

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:52 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Not particularly, but they're not exactly actively suppressed either. There's a swing in Francophonic sympathy in 2010 after the Santa Maria del Puerto earthquake (OTL 2010 Port-au-Prince earthquake).

Still, the rise of protests against Confederate policies that favor one race or group might have certain... repercussions in Haiti. It is, after all, near the CS states of Cuba, the Bahamas, and Puerto Rico...

Yeah, but Francophones have the right to vote. It's just that they've never managed to strong arm into office since the President is appointed by the Congreso de Centroamérica. They might've gotten into power if the Fascistas hadn't taken power for almost sixty years in a row -- I think I might have a Francophone take office when Inigo Montoya retires in 2015.

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:54 pm

Also, the Francophonic population are almost always the elected representatives of La Hispanola -- each Republic gets 6 seats (8 republics, 48 total seats in the Congreso) -- there are calls to divorce Haiti from the rest of Hispanola so that the Francophones are guaranteed at least 6 seats of 48.

Typically, Republica de Belice and Republica de La Hispanola are "minority swings" -- Anglophones and Francophones are typically elected to the 6 seats of those Republics.

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:58 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Still, the rise of protests against Confederate policies that favor one race or group might have certain... repercussions in Haiti. It is, after all, near the CS states of Cuba, the Bahamas, and Puerto Rico...

Yeah, but Francophones have the right to vote. It's just that they've never managed to strong arm into office since the President is appointed by the Congreso de Centroamérica. They might've gotten into power if the Fascistas hadn't taken power for almost sixty years in a row -- I think I might have a Francophone take office when Inigo Montoya retires in 2015.

The right to vote doesn't stop secessionism. OTL Scotland, Quebec, and Catalonia all vote in their national governments. They've had people from those regions lead the nation they were a part of. Many people in those regions still want independence.

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:06 pm

In fact, in the late 1900s and the 2000s, the CSA is likely to get into the URCA about the whole 'presidential dictatorship' thing, the official religion, so forth.

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:07 pm

Congreso de Centroamérica election, 2013

República de Guatemala
Socialista: 4 seats
Nacionalista: 2 seats

República de Belice
Anglófona Partido: 6 seats

República de El Salvador
Populista: 5 seats
Nacionalista: 1 seat

República de Honduras
Socialista: 5 seats
Nacionalista: 1 seat

República de Nicaragua
Socialista: 6 seats

República de Costa Rica
Fascista: 6 seats

República de la Costa de los Mosquitos
Socialista: 6 seats

República de La Española
Francófona Partido: 3 seats
Socialista: 2 seats
Populista: 1 seat

Total seats:
Socialist - 28
Nationalist - 4
Fascist - 6
Populist - 6
Francophone - 3 (caucus w/ Populist)
Anglophone - 6 (caucus w/ Populist)

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:10 pm

Ruridova wrote:In fact, in the late 1900s and the 2000s, the CSA is likely to get into the URCA about the whole 'presidential dictatorship' thing, the official religion, so forth.

The official religion is more like the most popular religion -- Centroamerica doesn't have an official *state* religion, it's just the religion that 100% of the country follows.

But democracy tries to come to URCA a few times -- the Populista try to set up a constitutional republic ala the CSA, but the Fascista go "nope, bitch" and then oust them in a Congreso vote.

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:16 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:In fact, in the late 1900s and the 2000s, the CSA is likely to get into the URCA about the whole 'presidential dictatorship' thing, the official religion, so forth.

The official religion is more like the most popular religion -- Centroamerica doesn't have an official *state* religion, it's just the religion that 100% of the country follows.

Except for the part of the country that was run by a bunch of Protestants until the 1890s, right? :eyebrow:

But democracy tries to come to URCA a few times -- the Populista try to set up a constitutional republic ala the CSA, but the Fascista go "nope, bitch" and then oust them in a Congreso vote.

The CSA(and Quebec) won't be too huge on the lack of democracy. Al-Mayiquh and the Rio Grande will have similar systems(and thanks to Canada's 14 points, they'll cease being CS puppets before the CSA can order them to change). Tehuantepec is going to have a system that's sort of similar, but with more power to the legislature.

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:21 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
The official religion is more like the most popular religion -- Centroamerica doesn't have an official *state* religion, it's just the religion that 100% of the country follows.

Except for the part of the country that was run by a bunch of Protestants until the 1890s, right?
But democracy tries to come to URCA a few times -- the Populista try to set up a constitutional republic ala the CSA, but the Fascista go "nope, bitch" and then oust them in a Congreso vote.

The CSA(and Quebec) won't be too huge on the lack of democracy. Al-Mayiquh and the Rio Grande will have similar systems(and thanks to Canada's 14 points, they'll cease being CS puppets before the CSA can order them to change). Tehuantepec is going to have a system that's sort of similar, but with more power to the legislature.

It's not as if the URCA is trying to prevent the change into democracy, those pestilential fascists keep screwing things up. At the 2013 election, the Socialists won a sweep, and are now working to reform the country's constitution.

And yeah, Belize is a special snowflake.

by **Bojikami** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:56 pm

Full list of nations I currently have: (Implying no changes occur)

Ukraine

Romania

Venezuela

Italy

Greater Nigeria

Chad

Ilkhanate

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:29 pm

Because it would seem we don't have a definite story for what happened to Mexico and led to its division, I've decided to make one up.

The ethnic divisions in Mexico were initially quiet, but in 1837, they led to a civil war. The CSA sent in troops to act as "peacekeeping" forces, but they ultimately took over the country as a whole and divided it into the three nations it is today(Rio Grande, Mayiquh, and Tehuantepec), with the remainder being annexed by the CSA.

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:39 pm

FLAGS OF CONFEDERATE SUBDIVISONS

STATES
HAWAII given to CSA by Japan under Treaty of Pearl Harbor, 1892

CALIFORNIA annexed from Mexico in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

BAJA CALIFORNIA annexed from Mexico in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

NEVADA annexed from Mexico in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

UTAH annexed from Mexico in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

NEW MEXICO annexed from Mexico in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

ARIZONA separated from New Mexico, 1863

SONORA annexed from Mexico in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

SINALOA annexed from Mexico in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

KANSAS original member of CSA from 1834

OKLAHOMA original member of CSA from 1834

TEXAS annexed into CSA from UK, 1834

MINNESOTA joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

IOWA separated from Minnesota, 1840

MISSOURI original member of CSA from 1834

ARKANSAS original member of CSA from 1834

LOUISIANA original member of CSA from 1834

WISCONSIN joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

ILLINOIS joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

INDIANA joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

MICHIGAN joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

OHIO joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

KENTUCKY original member of CSA from 1834

TENNESSEE original member of CSA from 1834

MISSISSIPPI original member of CSA from 1834

ALABAMA original member of CSA from 1834

DELAWARE joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

MARYLAND joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

VIRGINIA original member of CSA from 1834

NORTH CAROLINA original member of CSA from 1834

SOUTH CAROLINA original member of CSA from 1834

GEORGIA original member of CSA from 1834

FLORIDA original member of CSA from 1834

YUCATAN annexed from Mexico following Mexican Civil War in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

CAMPECHE annexed from Mexico following Mexican Civil War in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

QUINTANA ROO annexed from Mexico in Treaty of Tinushtytlan, 1838

CUBA Spanish Caribbean sold fm/ Spain to CSA, 1838

PUERTO RICO Spanish Caribbean sold fm/ Spain to CSA, 1838

THE BAHAMAS given to CSA by UK under Treaty of Pearl Harbor, 1892

DISTRICTS
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA joined CSA during rebellion, 1838

TERRITORIES
THE TURKS AND CAICOS given to CSA by UK under Treaty of Pearl Harbor, 1892

THE CS VIRGIN ISLANDS Danish West Indies sold fm/ Denmark to CSA, 1916

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:01 pm

(assuming no serious governmental changes currently unplanned occur in any of my countries:)

VASCONIA founded 1851

HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (re)founded 1821

DENMARK (re)founded 1869

CZECHOSLOVAKIA founded 1891

GALICIA founded 1891

In 1991, by popular referendum in both countries Galicia united with the newly-independent Poland.

HUNGARY founded 1835

CAUCASIA founded 1835

YUGOSLAVIA founded 1838

RUSSIA founded 1721 but leaders will not be listed before 1825

In 1990, the Russian Revolution began, and the Romanovs were driven out of Eurasia. The United Russian Republic, created by the revolutionaries, seized control of much of the country; the Empire held on to Alaska and continued to exist there; Poland, Finland, and the Baltic Union all became independent countries.

POLAND founded 1991

FINLAND founded 1991

BALTIC UNION founded 1991

QUEBEC founded 1834

CONFEDERACY founded 1834

RIO GRANDE founded 1838

AL-MAYIQUH founded 1838

TEHUANTEPEC founded 1838

THE VOLTA founded 1954

KAMERUN founded 1960

CENTRAL AFRICA founded 1960

In 1969, Bokassa seized absolute control, declaring himself Emperor Bokassa I of the new Central African Empire.

In 2001, following years of discontent, Bokassa II resigned, returning the country to democratic rule under a Central African Republic.

CONGO/ZAIRE founded 1961

TANGANYIKA founded 1964

ZANZIBAR founded 1856

NAMIBIA founded 1967

NORTH NEW GUINEA founded 1986

NIIHAU founded 1891 but holders of the titles Shogun of Japan and Ali'i of Niihau before 1891 will not be listed

MAURITANIA founded 1863

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:06 pm

The Islamic faith in our next RP (not this one)

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:11 pm

Unicario wrote:The Islamic faith in our next RP (not this one)

All that I'm seeing when I click the link

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:11 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:The Islamic faith in our next RP (not this one)

All that I'm seeing when I click the link

You have to save it. (Ctrl+S)

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:13 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:All that I'm seeing when I click the link

You have to save it. (Ctrl+S)

I've rightclicked and save is greyed out. I've hit control-S and nothing seems to be happening.

Could you try uploading it to something like Imgur?

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:14 pm

Nevermind, I've gotten it to work

by **Ruridova** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:21 pm

Ruridova wrote:Nevermind, I've gotten it to work

Uni, Uni, Uni....

Do you remember this?

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:They're not Sunnis or Shiites. They are semi-Sufi but radically believe they must connect directly to Allah to achieve holiness. They also do not believe that such cities as Mecca and Medina are that important to becoming holy with Allah. In other words, pilgrimage is not part of their beliefs. Instead, something called the "Great Journey" where one time in their lifetime all andalites make a journey to a secluded space they know of and try to establish a direct connection to Allah within a months time of this journey. Ill have a more in depth look at the sect as it develops.

What the fuck?!

That's not even Islam! One of the five major tenets of Islam is hajj -- To say that hajj is not necessary is to directly contradict the Prophet Muhammad, meaning that to most Islamic imams, you're not true Muslims, you're corrupting the Dar al-Islam with your falsehood. That gives me even more justification to jihad you!

The Five Pillars of Islam (arkān al-Islām أركان الإسلام; also arkān al-dīn أركان الدين "pillars of the religion") are five basic acts in Islam, considered mandatory by believers and are the foundation of Muslim life. They are summarized in the famous hadith of Gabriel.

Shahadah: declaring there is no god except God, and Muhammad is God's Messenger
Salat: ritual prayer five times a day
Zakat: giving 2.5% of one’s savings to the poor and needy
Sawm: fasting and self-control during the holy month of Ramadan
Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime if one is able

Also: "Medina and Mecca are not important" -- Then where the hell do you lot pray to? It is Muslim tradition in all sects (Sunni, Shia, Sufi, etc.) to pray toward Mecca. >_>

Now I want you to look at the text that you've just uploaded to Goput:

Unicario wrote:Islamic Gods:
Allah, the supreme God, steward of the heavens and the guardian of All.
Al-Shams, the Sun God, the one who lights the horizon and is one of the Stewards of Ramadan.
Al-Qamar, the Moon God, the one who exists in balance with Al-Shams, and is the second
Steward of Ramadan.
Al-Huruub, the Goddess of War, the one who provides glory to the Islamic faithful in war, and
ensures great victory and prosperity. She will sometimes "revoke" favor if she feels a warring
tribe/empire to be decadent.
Al-Hásada, the Harvest God, the one who ensures bountiful crop harvests each year, across the
House of Islam.

And look back at your post during the big argument over Andelite Islam:

Unicario wrote:The Five Pillars of Islam (arkān al-Islām أركان الإسلام; also arkān al-dīn أركان الدين "pillars of the religion") are five basic acts in Islam, considered mandatory by believers and are the foundation of Muslim life. They are summarized in the famous hadith of Gabriel.

Shahadah: declaring there is no god except God, and Muhammad is God's Messenger
Salat: ritual prayer five times a day
Zakat: giving 2.5% of one’s savings to the poor and needy
Sawm: fasting and self-control during the holy month of Ramadan
Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime if one is able

There's one of those Five Pillars that I really really want you to look at:

Unicario wrote:Shahadah: declaring there is no god except God, and Muhammad is God's Messenger

And one specific part of that Pillar:

Unicario wrote:declaring there is no god except God

Unicario wrote:no god except God

What you have just described on Goput is, to use your own words:

Unicario wrote:What the fuck?!

That's not even Islam!

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:23 pm

...Except that in this case Ruri, I'm rewriting Islam from it's foundation. There are different things in Islam being CREATED differently than some radical heresy in the 19th century.
In one case, it is the Prophet, the guy who wrote the Qu'ran, having a different view on the matter of faith.
The other is some dude in the 19th century deciding not to follow the guidelines of Islam.

I'm rewriting Islam from it's foundation in AD 610; It's entirely feasible for Muhammad to have a COMPLETELY different view on religion, especially when being possibly influenced by the big Egyptian neighbor who is polytheistic, same as big Zoroastrian Persia.

Don't use my criticism of a 19th century "Islam" that isn't OTL or ATL Islam and use it against my completely different Islamic faith -- which is surprising that it exists at all when our POD is almost three hundred years before Islam even existed (380s is the earliest for Britannia, 230 years before Islam)

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