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G8 Major Economies

Canada
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
Russia
United Kingdom
United States

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European Union

List of Meetings (Current in Bold)

Osaka, Japan (August 2015) - Emergency Meeting || RESULT: Russia and EU came to an agreement to restore economic ties

Topic(s) of Discussion

[Ptolemais]

After all the delegates had arrived for the first day of the meeting, and all the pleasantries were out of the way, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe formally opened the session.

"Thank you my colleagues for taking the time out of your busy schedules to attend summit here in Japan. This conference is to be dedicated solely to resolving the deplorable economic crisis between Europe and Russia. The effects of the crisis are being felt around the world, as investors are extremely wary of any major undertakings while there is no resolution in sight. I don't need to remind you all that the longer this goes on the more bloated China becomes on Russian energy and safe haven investors. It is in the best interests of both Russia and Europe to resolve this crisis and find a way to mutually prosper."

The Prime Minister paused for a moment.

"Before this turns into an unpleasant skirmish, I remind the members that this is a private meeting so do not fear any pressures outside of the members assembled here. To start, we would like to pose a question specifically to Russia and Germany. What would each consider an acceptable outcome to this situation? This is a rare occasion where we can speak rather bluntly, so please clearly state what you want to see, and remember that if you want this situation to have any chance of resolution it must be acceptable to both sides. If not, this meeting will become another battleground with no winner. We would all lose in that situation."

"Thank you."

The Prime Minister then opened to floor to any speaker of the G8 summit who would respond to his question.

[Roski]

I want something similar to the treaty imposed on my nation.

However, I do not want it as fierce. I am willing to negotiate, but here are my terms:

• The Russian Federation will not be allowed to have a military larger than 1.2 Million men (does not count civilian contractors)
• The Russian Federation will not be allowed to invade other nations, unless in a peacekeeping operation
• The Russian Federation, if energy routes are re-opened, is not allowed to turn off oil to the European Union unless the European Unions asks it to be
• The Russian Federation will recognize itself as responsible for war damages in Georgia, despite the United Nations blame
• The Russian Federation can only meddle in nations that are part of the Former Soviet Socialist Republics, unless these members are in the European Union or the North Atlantic Treaty Organization
• European Union or the North Atlantic Treaty Organization can not launch an attack on Russian soil, unless Russia has provoked such an attack
• The Russian Federation will only be allowed to breach the men limit if invaded by a foreign power, but must remove the men four months after the conflict end
• The Russian Federation will be allowed to invade another country, but only under these circumstances:
  -It is part of the former USSR and not in the EU and/or NATO
  -The Government has been shut out, and the conflict of the nation might spill into Russian Soil

I wil be willing to negotiate any of these terms, but this is what I want the ground work at.

[Galter Gulcher]

Sergey Lavrov stood to speak
"An acceptable outcome would be Russia's right to fight and work and learn for her self without Western intervention, long gone are the days when Russia wished to dominate the West into submission, we wish to simply be respected and have or principle rights to defend our self respected.

I draw specifically, to the 2014 Russo-Georgian war, in witch a UN investigation recently ruled that Georgia was the primary aggressor, while acknowledging the role Russia played in the conflict. Now, this did not completley absolve Russia nor has the Russian Federation or its government ever claimed so. BUT, this did point out that Georgia was the primary aggressor, would it not be fare to punish mainly Georgia?"

[Talanzaar]

The Italian delegate rises to address the treaty proposed by Germany.

The Russian Federation, if energy routes are re-opened, is not allowed to turn off oil to the European Union unless the European Unions asks it to be

"The reality is that we do not own Russias oil. Only Russia owns its oil and it has the right as a sovereign nation to sell it to whoever
they want. This would violate their sovereignty and is something Italy would not stand for."

The Russian Federation will recognize itself as responsible for war damages in Georgia, despite the United Nations blame

"The Italian delegation is extremely offended that Germany is looking to get some sort of confession out of the Russians and calling the UN report a "blame". This is a formal and legitimate report that accurately summarized the events of the war, and came to the conclusion that it was the Georgians who started the war, not the Russians. This portion of the treaty is completely unnecessary."

The Russian Federation can only meddle in nations that are part of the Former Soviet Socialist Republics, unless these members are in the European Union or the North Atlantic Treaty Organization

The Russian Federation will be allowed to invade another country, but only under these circumstances:
-It is part of the former USSR and not in the EU and/or NATO

"The Italian delegation is curious as to why Germany would not tolerate the invasion of a EU or NATO sovereign nation, but would tolerate a Russian invasion of former USSR state. Abandoning these states and violating international law by "allowing" Russia to invade another country is completely insane. The history of these former USSR states should not determine their future and a Russian invasion of any states should not be tolerated by anyone in the world."

[Roski]

The Italian delegate rises to address the treaty proposed by Germany.

The Russian Federation, if energy routes are re-opened, is not allowed to turn off oil to the European Union unless the European Unions asks it to be

"The reality is that we do not own Russias oil. Only Russia owns its oil and it has the right as a sovereign nation to sell it to whoever
they want. This would violate their sovereignty and is something Italy would not stand for."

The Russian Federation will recognize itself as responsible for war damages in Georgia, despite the United Nations blame

"The Italian delegation is extremely offended that Germany is looking to get some sort of confession out of the Russians and calling the UN report a "blame". This is a formal and legitimate report that accurately summarized the events of the war, and came to the conclusion that it was the Georgians who started the war, not the Russians. This portion of the treaty is completely unnecessary."

The Russian Federation can only meddle in nations that are part of the Former Soviet Socialist Republics, unless these members are in the European Union or the North Atlantic Treaty Organization

The Russian Federation will be allowed to invade another country, but only under these circumstances:
-It is part of the former USSR and not in the EU and/or NATO

"The Italian delegation is curious as to why Germany would not tolerate the invasion of a EU or NATO sovereign nation, but would tolerate a Russian invasion of former USSR state. Abandoning these states and violating international law by "allowing" Russia to invade another country is completely insane. The history of these former USSR states should not determine their future and a Russian invasion of any states should not be tolerated by anyone in the world."

Mr. Italian Delegate, please understand that this is very much a victory on our part.

However, the message regarding the "allowance of an invasion" refers to if a nation like Kazakhstan had its sovereignty threatened by another nation, the Russian Federation is within its rights to enter Kazakhstan to assist in the defence. Russia is not allowed to randomly invade a nation, just as we are not allowed to randomly invade the Russian Federation. "Meddling in the affairs of a former soviet state" refers to the same as before. The Members of the European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization are our job to defend. Russia has the right to defend its allies. That is all that means. However, this crisis started with Russia not sending oil to Europe, and this summit is to prevent such another disaster occurring. Chancellor Remmer feels the Russian Federation is indirectly to blame for the civil unrest of late, due to the oil shortage. With the shortage hitting hard, opposition viewed NATO as "weak, and open to assault", as per Chancellor Remmer. Europe, with Eastern Europe hit the hardest, is facing recessions. The Russian Federation is in the midst of a major depression. This would not have happened should the oil be left open. And while Georgia provoked the war, it was still unnecessarily escalated by the Russian Federation, and to attack on such a large scale for what appeared to be a misunderstanding is out of character for any nation. The Russian Federation is not wholly to blame, and the German Government, when able to, will help to pitch in, seeing as some damage was our doing; however, the Russian Federation still unnecessarily escalated the conflict, and they should pay for all damages done by them.

[Galter Gulcher]

The Italian delegate rises to address the treaty proposed by Germany.



"The reality is that we do not own Russias oil. Only Russia owns its oil and it has the right as a sovereign nation to sell it to whoever
they want. This would violate their sovereignty and is something Italy would not stand for."



"The Italian delegation is extremely offended that Germany is looking to get some sort of confession out of the Russians and calling the UN report a "blame". This is a formal and legitimate report that accurately summarized the events of the war, and came to the conclusion that it was the Georgians who started the war, not the Russians. This portion of the treaty is completely unnecessary."





"The Italian delegation is curious as to why Germany would not tolerate the invasion of a EU or NATO sovereign nation, but would tolerate a Russian invasion of former USSR state. Abandoning these states and violating international law by "allowing" Russia to invade another country is completely insane. The history of these former USSR states should not determine their future and a Russian invasion of any states should not be tolerated by anyone in the world."

Mr. Italian Delegate, please understand that this is very much a victory on our part.

However, the message regarding the "allowance of an invasion" refers to if a nation like Kazakhstan had its sovereignty threatened by another nation, the Russian Federation is within its rights to enter Kazakhstan to assist in the defence. Russia is not allowed to randomly invade a nation, just as we are not allowed to randomly invade the Russian Federation. "Meddling in the affairs of a former soviet state" refers to the same as before. The Members of the European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization are our job to defend. Russia has the right to defend its allies. That is all that means. However, this crisis started with Russia not sending oil to Europe, and this summit is to prevent such another disaster occurring. Chancellor Remmer feels the Russian Federation is indirectly to blame for the civil unrest of late, due to the oil shortage. With the shortage hitting hard, opposition viewed NATO as "weak, and open to assault", as per Chancellor Remmer. Europe, with Eastern Europe hit the hardest, is facing recessions. The Russian Federation is in the midst of a major depression. This would not have happened should the oil be left open. And while Georgia provoked the war, it was still unnecessarily escalated by the Russian Federation, and to attack on such a large scale for what appeared to be a misunderstanding is out of character for any nation. The Russian Federation is not wholly to blame, and the German Government, when able to, will help to pitch in, seeing as some damage was our doing; however, the Russian Federation still unnecessarily escalated the conflict, and they should pay for all damages done by them.

"Russsia did not cut off the supply of Gas or Oil to Europe, the Russian Federation temporairly cut off Gas and Oil to Germany, Turkey and Italy, it was later restored to all of them after the end of the 2014 Georgian War. It was Germany whom cut off the Gas and Oil to its self in the most recent crisis.

Let me add, that the Russian Federation will not accept "assistance", especially from Germany, considering the extereme depression they are experiencing themselves."

[Roski]

Peter begins to get furious. The other delegates did not come up with terms, and the Russian Federation basically stated Germany can't pay for its actions. Peter sits, silently, and death stares at the delegate for the Russian Federation, waiting for terms that can actually be approved of by Russia.

[Galter Gulcher]

Terms would be passed out among the delegates.


* NATO and the EU would both officially appologise for lableing Russia the primary aggressor in the 2014 Georgian War, proceeding a UN investigation.
* Trade shall be restored between NATO and Russia.
* NATO shall not meddle in the affairs of Eastern Europe, unless it effects a NATO member.
* CIS shall not meddle in Western Europe, unless it effects a CIS member.
* NATO will set a embargo upon Georgia.
* A summit will be held every three years to insure that these terms are being observed properly and faithfully as well as make new provisions as needed.
* EU and NATO members will be guaranteed access to the White Sea-Baltic Canal.
* Russia will be guaranteed access past the Baltic and Black Seas.
* Russia will leave its Naval Base in Syria.
* Russia will give Europe 3.5% off upon Natural Gas purchases and 2% off upon Oil for the next 5 Years.
* Europe will not be able to set tariffs on Russian goods greater then 5%.
* India will return all assets to there respective Russian companies.

[Roski]

Terms would be passed out among the delegates.


* NATO and the EU would both officially appologise for lableing Russia the primary aggressor in the 2014 Georgian War, proceeding a UN investigation.
* Trade shall be restored between NATO and Russia.
* NATO shall not meddle in the affairs of Eastern Europe, unless it effects a NATO member.
* CIS shall not meddle in Western Europe, unless it effects a CIS member.
* NATO will set a embargo upon Georgia.
* A summit will be held every three years to insure that these terms are being observed properly and faithfully as well as make new provisions as needed.
* EU and NATO members will be guaranteed access to the White Sea-Baltic Canal.
* Russia will be guaranteed access past the Baltic and Black Seas.
* Russia will leave its Naval Base in Syria.
* Russia will give Europe 3.5% off upon Natural Gas purchases and 2% off upon Oil for the next 5 Years.
* Europe will not be able to set tariffs on Russian goods greater then 5%.
* India will return all assets to there respective Russian companies.

Germany would be willing to agree on the ones not striked.
We can not make decisions for India.

[Galter Gulcher]

Terms would be passed out among the delegates.


* NATO and the EU would both officially appologise for lableing Russia the primary aggressor in the 2014 Georgian War, proceeding a UN investigation.
* Trade shall be restored between NATO and Russia.
* NATO shall not meddle in the affairs of Eastern Europe, unless it effects a NATO member.
* CIS shall not meddle in Western Europe, unless it effects a CIS member.
* NATO will set a embargo upon Georgia.
* A summit will be held every three years to insure that these terms are being observed properly and faithfully as well as make new provisions as needed.
* EU and NATO members will be guaranteed access to the White Sea-Baltic Canal.
* Russia will be guaranteed access past the Baltic and Black Seas.
* Russia will leave its Naval Base in Syria.
* Russia will give Europe 3.5% off upon Natural Gas purchases and 2% off upon Oil for the next 5 Years.
* Europe will not be able to set tariffs on Russian goods greater then 5%.
* India will return all assets to there respective Russian companies.

Germany would be willing to agree on the ones not striked.
We can not make decisions for India.

Russia understands why they wish to strike the ones and Russias response is

*No embargo will occur on Georgia by NATO.
*Europe will not be able to set tariffs on Russian goods greater then 10% for the next 5 years.
*Europe will encourage India to return the assets to Russian companies.

[Roski]

Germany would be willing to agree on the ones not striked.
We can not make decisions for India.

Russia understands why they wish to strike the ones and Russias response is

*No embargo will occur on Georgia by NATO.
*Europe will not be able to set tariffs on Russian goods greater then 10% for the next 5 years.
*Europe will encourage India to return the assets to Russian companies.

Germany believes they SHOULD be able to for five years, then it must be under 10% after this.

[Galter Gulcher]

Russia understands why they wish to strike the ones and Russias response is

*No embargo will occur on Georgia by NATO.
*Europe will not be able to set tariffs on Russian goods greater then 10% for the next 5 years.
*Europe will encourage India to return the assets to Russian companies.

Germany believes they SHOULD be able to for five years, then it must be under 10% after this.

If that is the scenario, we will go 3 years.

[The New Greek Republic]

Terms would be passed out among the delegates.


* NATO and the EU would both officially appologise for lableing Russia the primary aggressor in the 2014 Georgian War, proceeding a UN investigation.
* Trade shall be restored between NATO and Russia.
* NATO shall not meddle in the affairs of Eastern Europe, unless it effects a NATO member.
* CIS shall not meddle in Western Europe, unless it effects a CIS member.
* NATO will set a embargo upon Georgia.
* A summit will be held every three years to insure that these terms are being observed properly and faithfully as well as make new provisions as needed.
* EU and NATO members will be guaranteed access to the White Sea-Baltic Canal.
* Russia will be guaranteed access past the Baltic and Black Seas.
* Russia will leave its Naval Base in Syria.
* Russia will give Europe 3.5% off upon Natural Gas purchases and 2% off upon Oil for the next 5 Years.
* Europe will not be able to set tariffs on Russian goods greater then 5%.
* India will return all assets to there respective Russian companies.

The French delegate, Jean de Pierre stood up.

"Mr. Lavrov, speaking on behalf of French interests, I see several of these obligations unacceptable. The terms of a summit being held to ensure the agreements of this meeting, Europe being unable to set increased tariffs of above 5% on Russian goods, NATO setting an embargo upon Georgia, the CIS being able to interfere in any CIS-nation affairs, NATO being able to interfere in NATO-nation affairs, and India returning assets to Russian companies are completely unacceptable.

The reasons for this being; agreeing to the the tariffs would be a blatant violation of sovereign rights given to nations. NATO setting a embargo on Georgia would only be in the interests of Russia, as there is no reason NATO would be inclined to embargo Georgia as it has done no wrong against NATO. The CIS shouldn't be able to interfere in any sovereign nation at all, CIS member or not. The same goes for NATO and NATO members. A summit being held should not be required to keep the agreements in check, rather a report may be filed and made public."

[Shadyrya]

Stephen Harper sat back in his chair, observing. None of this particularly interested him; in fact, he despised these meetings. But he knew that watching and listening would get his country far. So he didn't speak, not at all. This was Russia and Germany's quarrel and they could resolve it.

[Galter Gulcher]

Terms would be passed out among the delegates.


* NATO and the EU would both officially appologise for lableing Russia the primary aggressor in the 2014 Georgian War, proceeding a UN investigation.
* Trade shall be restored between NATO and Russia.
* NATO shall not meddle in the affairs of Eastern Europe, unless it effects a NATO member.
* CIS shall not meddle in Western Europe, unless it effects a CIS member.
* NATO will set a embargo upon Georgia.
* A summit will be held every three years to insure that these terms are being observed properly and faithfully as well as make new provisions as needed.
* EU and NATO members will be guaranteed access to the White Sea-Baltic Canal.
* Russia will be guaranteed access past the Baltic and Black Seas.
* Russia will leave its Naval Base in Syria.
* Russia will give Europe 3.5% off upon Natural Gas purchases and 2% off upon Oil for the next 5 Years.
* Europe will not be able to set tariffs on Russian goods greater then 5%.
* India will return all assets to there respective Russian companies.

The French delegate, Jean de Pierre stood up.

"Mr. Lavrov, speaking on behalf of French interests, I see several of these obligations unacceptable. The terms of a summit being held to ensure the agreements of this meeting, Europe being unable to set increased tariffs of above 5% on Russian goods, NATO setting an embargo upon Georgia, the CIS being able to interfere in any CIS-nation affairs, NATO being able to interfere in NATO-nation affairs, and India returning assets to Russian companies are completely unacceptable.

The reasons for this being; agreeing to the the tariffs would be a blatant violation of sovereign rights given to nations. NATO setting a embargo on Georgia would only be in the interests of Russia, as there is no reason NATO would be inclined to embargo Georgia as it has done no wrong against NATO. The CIS shouldn't be able to interfere in any sovereign nation at all, CIS member or not. The same goes for NATO and NATO members. A summit being held should not be required to keep the agreements in check, rather a report may be filed and made public."

"Lets say Fasiscts and Communists were to take over the Capitol City as well as several other major cities in a Member of NATO, would the other NATO members be right to intervene on the side of the government in the other NATO country?

I also would like to question as to why it would be unacceptable for India return Russian assets?"

[The New Greek Republic]

"Lets say Fasiscts and Communists were to take over the Capitol City as well as several other major cities in a Member of NATO, would the other NATO members be right to intervene on the side of the government in the other NATO country?

I also would like to question as to why it would be unacceptable for India return Russian assets?"

"Mr. Lavrov, I can't make decisions on behalf of NATO. I am here to speak on behalf of France and it's interests only.

As for India, we can not force India to do anything. They aren't a member of the G8 nor Europe. We have no control over their actions. We may simply ask them, but nothing can be guaranteed."

[The New Greek Republic]

The French delegation has comprised a list of agreements that would serve the Russians, Germans, and French along with the rest of the G8.

• Trade shall be restored between NATO affiliations and Russia.
• European Union and NATO affiliations will be guaranteed access to the White Sea-Baltic Canal.
• Russia will be guaranteed access past the Baltic and Black Seas.
• Russia will leave its Naval Base in Syria.
• Russia will give Europe 3.5% off upon Natural Gas purchases and 2% off upon Oil for the next 5 Years.
• The G8 will agree to lift any economic sanctions that are withstanding against Russia and vice versa.
• The G8 will agree to form a organizational free trade deal.
• The G8 shall recommend that sanctions against Russia are no longer needed and can be withdrawn.
• The G8 shall recommend that high tariffs on Russian goods are no longer needed and can be lowered.
• At the annual Group of 8 summit, a checkup of these terms and a report on how they have been carried out shall be filed by each nation and sent to review before the newly established Commission of 3, or C3. The C3 shall comprise of the United States, Germany, and Russia. The C3 shall analyze the reports and ensure that their obligations are being carried out. The Commission of 3 shall also decide on the amendments of prepositions that have been discussed by the the entirety of the G8.

[Roski]

The Federal Republic of Germany would like to accept these terms.

[Galter Gulcher]

The Russian Federation supports these terms.

[Ptolemais]

Prime Minister Abe stood up after the German and Russian delegates approved of the French proposal.

"This is most pleasing. If the Russian and German delegates, the primary parties to this crisis, have agreed upon this proposal, I think we should move to ratification. Japan, not being a member of NATO or any other organization involved in the dispute, will refrain from signing the treaty but gives the document its full support. If needed, we could act as a mediator to ensure the terms are faithfully carried out."

[Alleniana]

The UK's presence in the G8 had so far been unadvertised, but it seemed now was the time to do so.

The delegate stood up and spoke,
"The UK believes such terms are beneficial to the peace and prosperity of Europe, and does pledge support for their approval, as well as agreeing that they shall be appliable."

[Ptolemais]

Japanese Prime Minister Abe rose, seeing no further objections to the deal between the EU and Russia.

"It appears we have come to an agreement, and the world will be better for it. I would now invite any members involved to sign this treaty and begin healing the global economy. Thank you all for coming out to Osaka and we hope to see you all again soon. I officially conclude this meeting of the G8 major economies."