2015 (Modern world, SC-UN Discussion Thread)

[Waztaskio]

OOC:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=283184
IC:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=283474
Security Council Resolution Center: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281686

This is the thread to conduct meetings on. It works where whatever resolution has been proposed on the Main SC thread http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281686 you will format it at the Subject with the title of the Resolution of Discussion, and vote on this thread, and if it passes or fails I will quote it, with the outcome on the Resolution thread.

Only voice concerns that are in Bold as that is what is discussed on the floor. All other discussions with be voided, until I move it along to the next resolution.

Current Issues for the Security Council:

[Roski]

Germany votes AYE, but says the resolution does not go far enough. Germany wishes for Spain to hold a referendum in Catalonia to see if they wish to be independent, and also wishes for Morocco to do the same with West Sahara.

Austria votes AYE, and is willing to dispatch peacekeepers to assist in the operation.

[Graknopia]

The Chinese government votes Yay for resolution 0-56b

[Waztaskio]

OOC: remember. At the subject of your response, put the name of the Resolution, then give your vote and discussion.

United States:
"The United States wishes to stay neutral in this resolution, as it does not really punish anyone for the breach of Security.
Status: Abstained

Mexico:
"We abstain, due to not fully understanding the actions that have taken place, to make a proper decision."
Status: Abstained

[Forty Twoania]

Spain vote NAY

We ask the UN to not victimize Morocco just because it lost a war it deserved to lose. Morocco has committed Human right abuses against the Sahrawi for far to long and we believe that status quo is not an option. Some nations have stated their belief that West Sahara should be consider the "Southern Provinces" of Morocco Spain strongly objects noting the Human rights abuses committed on the Sahrawi People by Morocco which include
-The use of Napalm, White Phosphorous and other chemical weapons on Sahrawi Civilians
-The forced deportation of Sahrawi civilians into the desert
-The 1,500 men, women and even children who "disappeared" because of opposition to Morocco's control of the Western Sahara and the elderly people and young children who also "disappeared" because of their family links with known or suspected opponents to Moroccan government policy in Western Sahara.
-the discrimination of Sahrawis in labor
-The beating and some times killing of peaceful demonstrators by the Moroccan Police
-the Sahrawi human rights activist Rachid Sghir who was beaten by Moroccan policemen after an interview with the BBC.
-The Sahrawi "Gdeim Izik" campament which was surrounded by troops of the Moroccan Army and policemen, who made a blockage of water, food and medicines to the camp. Later, a jeep that was trying to enter the camp was machine-gunned by Moroccan soldiers, killing Elgarhi Nayem, a 14-year-old Sahrawi boy, and wounding the other five passengers

Spain would also like to recognize that though the Sahrawi Government has been accused of Human Rights abuses most of which have been made by Morocco but most of them have also been disproved or contradicted by International Human Rights groups

Spain will be willing to give up the the Security zones ceded to the cities of Ceuta and Melillia but demands that a demiliterized zone must be created and maintained so that the events on Perejil are not repeated.

Due to the resolutions significant flaws which include
-Not mentioning the Moroccan Oppression of the Sahrawi people and the Human right abuses inflicted on Sahrawi Civilians by Morocco
-Not mentioning that the War was sparked when Morocco occupied the Spanish island of Perejil using military force a clear violation of Spain's Sovereignty
-Not mentioning that land taken by Spain was largely insignificant and was taken only to insure the security of Ceuta and Melillia
-Not mentioning Morocco restriction of Freedom of Speach, Freedom of Press, Basic Workers rights and Women's rights within its own borders
-Not mentioning that Morocco is classified as a dictatorship ruled by a Monarchy that has absolute control over every political aspect of Morocco

Spain asks the international community not to pass the resolution which will neither solve the West Sahara problem or the Perejil dispute but it will only push both conflicts back to a later date leading to even more bloodshed and more violations of Human Rights. If the United Nations is not able to reject this unfair and flawed resolution it will only go to show that the nations of the world only care about their own self-interests not the end of oppression and the resolution of conflicts that plague the world to day.

[The Enclave Government]

Turkey votes YAY!

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

The Republic of India, with the utmost pleasure, votes Yay to the Resolution brought by the Chinese delegation. We applaud the Chinese delegation's efforts to bring justice to those who deserve it and bring mercy to those who need it.

We believe that the reasons given by the Spanish government to justify its outrageous invasion of Morocco, are not fulfilling. The declaration by the Spanish delegation only makes us even more outraged. The Spanish government seems to believe that it is in its rightful obligation to bring "order" to the "chaos" in Morocco just because it it Morocco's neighbor. This is not true. Spain should have come to the international organizations and expressed its concerns about the policies of Morocco. Spain does not have the right to take international law into its own hands; it is outrageous.

Here, ladies and gentlemen, we see once again the racist attitudes of Spain. It seems as Spain thinks it is in its rightful obligation to bring "order" in Morocco because it feels superior to Morocco. We see in here the same attitudes taken by those nations that believed in the "White men's burden". It is insulting that Spain has this attitude, and we do not only condemn Spain's actions but we are also offended by them. If Spain wanted to bring "order", it failed. It made matters worse, it even gained enemies in the international realm, because the Indian government cannot possibly see a nation with this attitude as nothing else but an enemy.

Morocco is not in chaos. Spain's flawed arguments are one-sided. Spain's flawed arguments are influenced by self-interest. Alas! This so-called civilized nation, it is more uncivilized than us, "the uncivilized" as we are seen by Spain.

[Forty Twoania]

Spain wishes to clarify that it did not invade Morocco

Spain is in insulted by the Indian delegation remarks calling Spain racist and imperialistic. India has completely ignored the fact that Morocco's occupation of Perejil sparked the war. India has only payed attention to its own interest in Morocco. India does not want the Sahrawi people to gain Independence it only want to profit from the trade agreement it has recently made with Morocco. It does not care about the Sahrawi peoples wishes and relies only on name calling to make its points and does not address the lack of freedom in Morocco and the violent oppression of West Sahara. If India does not explain how Human rights violations in West Sahara are justice and oppression is a way of enforcing order than it is India's argument which is flawed not Spain's.

Spain also would like to mention that using examples of actions made 500 years ago, which is way before the Geneva convention was signed, is not way of making ones point. The International norms where different at that time and Spain no longer follows the rules of the 1800s. Spain was ruled by an absolute monarchy not the democratic parliament that exists today. Spain believes it is racism to use examples from the far away past to predict a nations actions today. Countries change and unlike Morocco, Spain is not an exception.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

An Indian diplomatic official hastily walked into the chamber. She quickly approached the Indian delegation. The Indian Ambassador to the United Nations was informed of something. The woman whispered into his ear some information, the man answered with questions, and the woman responded to them. This went on for a few minutes. Then, the Ambassador rapidly sent the request to speak. When given, he began,

"It is my responsibility to inform this chamber that the Republic of India has officially launched a peacekeeping mission to Morocco. I have been informed that the Moroccan government has seek our help and we will promptly respond to this call. May Morocco know that there in the East, it has an ally. An ally that will walk with that nation during the sunny days and during those days with ferocious storms. As long as India exists, which eternity confirms so, Morocco will have an ally. A friend. A brother.

"If it is a crime to defend those who seek help against the oppressors of the world, then we will honorably stand up to be judged. We will honorably walk to the shooting range and face our fate. We will gracefully look at the sky beyond that platoon's flag that waves with the colors of white and blue, and we will smile because we will see the light. The true justice, the true judge. The force that shall judge us all and that will eventually absolve us and call this execution a tragedy.

"If it is a crime to stand up against the dark forces of imperialism and racism, we shall face this flawed justice. We humbly ask the nations of the world to bring their supreme will on us and make us face destruction. Because, let it be known, we will not stop until true justice has been done. We will not stop until those dark forces are defeated and the true light shines above us all.

"But whoever is as outraged as us by the actions of the oppressor, we gracefully invite them to march along with our troops and bring mercy to the victims of the despots. Let us march together to eternity or to the cold, desolated, but glorious battlefield, when our flags wave above those dark ones. Let us show those arrogant, hypocritical, and despotic forces the might of us, the believers of justice. Let us come to the battlefield, let us see it, and let us conquer it. Thank you"

[Roski]

Morocco votes AYE, and is appreciative that India is coming to help immediately.

[Graknopia]

The Chinese would be happy to send peacekeepers with the UN swell.

[The Enclave Government]

Turkey permits movement through its borders and commits 1K peacekeepers to the operation.

[Forty Twoania]

Spain continues to wait for a response from India in regards to the Human Rights abuses committed by Morocco against the Sahrawi.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Spain continues to wait for a response from India in regards to the Human Rights abuses committed by Morocco against the Sahrawi.

Whether or not Morocco has committed any Human Rights abuses, India does not believe that Spain has any right to intervene in Moroccan internal affairs. Moreover, Spain's invasion does not have the permission of any international organization. Effective reform is brought by peaceful dialogue and compromise, however Spain, the so-called civilized, seems to only believe in the use of brute force - rather contradictory to the title they so much protect. I, the Ambassador of India to the United Nations, believes that Spain's actions show that Spain is not civilized, it is, sadly, the only uncivilized nation in Europe. The tragedy!

[Forty Twoania]

Spain continues to wait for a response from India in regards to the Human Rights abuses committed by Morocco against the Sahrawi.

Whether or not Morocco has committed any Human Rights abuses, India does not believe that Spain has any right to intervene in Moroccan internal affairs. Moreover, Spain's invasion does not have the permission of any international organization. Effective reform is brought by peaceful dialogue and compromise, however Spain, the so-called civilized, seems to only believe in the use of brute force - rather contradictory to the title they so much protect. I, the Ambassador of India to the United Nations, believes that Spain's actions show that Spain is not civilized, it is, sadly, the only uncivilized nation in Europe. The tragedy!

This statement shows India's lack of regard for the people in West Sahara not only does India try to marginalize severe Human Right abuses proven to be true by various UN organizations but it also attempts to make attacks on Spain proper. India continues to ignore that the Moroccan occupation of Perejil is what started the war and that Spain never invaded Morocco making a flawed arguments to advance its own interests.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Whether or not Morocco has committed any Human Rights abuses, India does not believe that Spain has any right to intervene in Moroccan internal affairs. Moreover, Spain's invasion does not have the permission of any international organization. Effective reform is brought by peaceful dialogue and compromise, however Spain, the so-called civilized, seems to only believe in the use of brute force - rather contradictory to the title they so much protect. I, the Ambassador of India to the United Nations, believes that Spain's actions show that Spain is not civilized, it is, sadly, the only uncivilized nation in Europe. The tragedy!

This statement shows India's lack of regard for the people in West Sahara not only does India try to marginalize severe Human Right abuses proven to be true by various UN organizations but it also attempts to make attacks on Spain proper. India continues to ignore that the Moroccan occupation of Perejil is what started the war and that Spain never invaded Morocco making a flawed arguments to advance its own interests.

What the Spanish delegation seems to forget is that their country is not the Supreme Judge of Africa. This shows the state of mind of the Spanish government: it sees itself as the policeman of Africa, and this is not the case. As stated before, if Morocco committed any Human Rights abuses, then the International Court of Justice can take care of the problem without going to such extreme measures as invading another country.

Nations of the world, how long must we stand by seeing how innocent people are oppressed by Spain? Are we really going to let the Spanish government continue with this illegal occupation, using the "liberation" of some people as pretext when it is clear that Spain only is interested in the oil of the region? We must act and we must do it now. Liberate Morocco!

[The Enclave Government]

Whether or not Morocco has committed any Human Rights abuses, India does not believe that Spain has any right to intervene in Moroccan internal affairs. Moreover, Spain's invasion does not have the permission of any international organization. Effective reform is brought by peaceful dialogue and compromise, however Spain, the so-called civilized, seems to only believe in the use of brute force - rather contradictory to the title they so much protect. I, the Ambassador of India to the United Nations, believes that Spain's actions show that Spain is not civilized, it is, sadly, the only uncivilized nation in Europe. The tragedy!

This statement shows India's lack of regard for the people in West Sahara not only does India try to marginalize severe Human Right abuses proven to be true by various UN organizations but it also attempts to make attacks on Spain proper. India continues to ignore that the Moroccan occupation of Perejil is what started the war and that Spain never invaded Morocco making a flawed arguments to advance its own interests.

So you invaded Morocco, a democratic soveriegn nation, over a uninhabited isladn i could buy with a 20 dollar bill?

[Waztaskio]

Resolution 0-56849B: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281686&p=19567118#p19567118

[Forty Twoania]

The Spanish Government is not the judge of Africa but it is the judge of its own sovereign territory. Perejil is a Spanish island and it must be defended by Spain. No matter how small, the defense of Perejil sets a precept for the defense of Ceuta and Melilla if Spain can not defend Perejil then how will Spain justify stopping Morocco from marching into Ceuta.

We have seen how India has continually accused Spain of oppressing people but they have given nothing but outdated examples and racist comments to support their points. India seems to forget that the current Spanish Government(1975-Present) has never dropped napalm on Barcelona, Machine gunned protesters in Madrid, stamped out Freedom of Press or crushed the Right to a fair trial. Spain sees it as obvious that the only reason India wants to extinguish the will of the Sahrawi people is so that Morocco, their new trade "partner", will remain in control of land that might benefit the Moroccan Economy but will not fulfill the wishes of the local population. Morocco does not need to be liberated from Spain. Spain does not occupy Morocco. Instead the Sahrawi people must be given freedom from oppression and Morocco must be forced to give all of its citizens basic human rights. This resolution does not provide a path for progress instead it allows for the war and human right abuses in the region to continue plaguing the region.

[Graknopia]

The Spanish Government is not the judge of Africa but it is the judge of its own sovereign territory. Perejil is a Spanish island and it must be defended by Spain. No matter how small, the defense of Perejil sets a precept for the defense of Ceuta and Melilla if Spain can not defend Perejil then how will Spain justify stopping Morocco from marching into Ceuta.

We have seen how India has continually accused Spain of oppressing people but they have given nothing but outdated examples and racist comments to support their points. India seems to forget that the current Spanish Government(1975-Present) has never dropped napalm on Barcelona, Machine gunned protesters in Madrid, stamped out Freedom of Press or crushed the Right to a fair trial. Spain sees it as obvious that the only reason India wants to extinguish the will of the Sahrawi people is so that Morocco, their new trade "partner", will remain in control of land that might benefit the Moroccan Economy but will not fulfill the wishes of the local population. Morocco does not need to be liberated from Spain. Spain does not occupy Morocco. Instead the Sahrawi people must be given freedom from oppression and Morocco must be forced to give all of its citizens basic human rights. This resolution does not provide a path for progress instead it allows for the war and human right abuses in the region to continue plaguing the region.

The Chinese government would like Spain to note that the resolution has passed, and Spain is now required to vacate all captured Moroccan territory, and render all treaties with the Sawhri Republic as null and void. Morocco hereby has permission to re-enter the boundaries of the Sawhri Republic and reclaim all captured territory. The Chinese government also suggests forming a UN board to see how much Spain shall pay in war repercussions.

Finally, the Chinese government will gladly send troops to support a UN peacekeeping mission

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

The Spanish Government is not the judge of Africa but it is the judge of its own sovereign territory. Perejil is a Spanish island and it must be defended by Spain. No matter how small, the defense of Perejil sets a precept for the defense of Ceuta and Melilla if Spain can not defend Perejil then how will Spain justify stopping Morocco from marching into Ceuta.

We have seen how India has continually accused Spain of oppressing people but they have given nothing but outdated examples and racist comments to support their points. India seems to forget that the current Spanish Government(1975-Present) has never dropped napalm on Barcelona, Machine gunned protesters in Madrid, stamped out Freedom of Press or crushed the Right to a fair trial. Spain sees it as obvious that the only reason India wants to extinguish the will of the Sahrawi people is so that Morocco, their new trade "partner", will remain in control of land that might benefit the Moroccan Economy but will not fulfill the wishes of the local population. Morocco does not need to be liberated from Spain. Spain does not occupy Morocco. Instead the Sahrawi people must be given freedom from oppression and Morocco must be forced to give all of its citizens basic human rights. This resolution does not provide a path for progress instead it allows for the war and human right abuses in the region to continue plaguing the region.

The Chinese government would like Spain to note that the resolution has passed, and Spain is now required to vacate all captured Moroccan territory, and render all treaties with the Sawhri Republic as null and void. Morocco hereby has permission to re-enter the boundaries of the Sawhri Republic and reclaim all captured territory. The Chinese government also suggests forming a UN board to see how much Spain shall pay in war repercussions.

Finally, the Chinese government will gladly send troops to support a UN peacekeeping mission

We are honored to know that the world will not stand by witnessing how Spain massacres an independent nation. The Indian peacekeeping force will join the United Nations peacekeeping force, under independent command however (coordinating with the respective commanders of the United Nations peacekeeping force). Thus, if the Indian navy is fired upon by any Spanish vessel or any vessel controlled by the rebels in West Sahara, the Republic of India reserves the right to retaliate with all means necessary in order to protect the will of the world in this crisis.

[Alleniana]

Though the UK has already expressed its abstention from the resolution on Morocco, due to the legitimate existence of the Sahrawi people's cause, it would like to bring the attention of the UN to a new resolution, resolution 0-666420, on the subject of Spain's actions too, but pertaining to Catalan independence which Germany has brought up. It hopes for a nation to quickly second this, and encourages all to pass this resolution, or at least voice their opinions on amendments, as democracy and freedom are important principles that must be obeyed.

[Graknopia]

Though the UK has already expressed its abstention from the resolution on Morocco, due to the legitimate existence of the Sahrawi people's cause, it would like to bring the attention of the UN to a new resolution, resolution 0-666420, on the subject of Spain's actions too, but pertaining to Catalan independence which Germany has brought up. It hopes for a nation to quickly second this, and encourages all to pass this resolution, or at least voice their opinions on amendments, as democracy and freedom are important principles that must be obeyed.

The People's Republic of China abstains from resolution 666420

[Roski]

Germany votes Aye
Austria votes Aye
Morocco votes Aye

[Grafulk Shayneshall]

Denmark votes Yea