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Ptolemais
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Postby Ptolemais » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:56 pm

The Broken Russian States wrote:
And then what happens when Russia calls bullshit?


Then we're in the same situation as we are now. Russia invaded US allies, US invades Russian allies. Neither side will be in direct conflict with each other because they want to avoid nuclear war (i'd hope).
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Postby Talanzaar » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:56 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Talanzaar wrote:
As stated in my newest post, I will not be allowing your troops to deal with the Holy See, I've got plans.

And no, all Muslims do not want war.

The Vatican has 48 hours make Francis II resign and denounce terrorism or I will be taking control of the Vatican through military force.

Strikes me as illegal.


They are promoting terrorism, essentially delcaring war on all Muslims (there are Muslims in Italy).

Pope is essentially a terrorist in charge of a nation promoting religious war and freedom of religion is a part of Italys constitution.

I'd say its justified.
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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:56 pm

Aldelxane wrote:
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You do have a standing military, do it yourself.

True, but obviously even both together haven't work RL.....

There has been no true military action against them. I think if Mexico put their mind to it, they could do it. But legalize weed first. It will help a whole bunch
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:57 pm

Talanzaar wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Strikes me as illegal.


They are promoting terrorism, essentially delcaring war on all Muslims (there are Muslims in Italy).

Pope is essentially a terrorist in charge of a nation promoting religious war and freedom of religion is a part of Italys constitution.

I'd say its justified.

Killing, seizing the Pope, aye is justified.

Invading the nation, however, seems so...American.
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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:57 pm

Ptolemais wrote:
The Broken Russian States wrote:
And then what happens when Russia calls bullshit?


Then we're in the same situation as we are now. Russia invaded US allies, US invades Russian allies. Neither side will be in direct conflict with each other because they want to avoid nuclear war (i'd hope).

Here's hoping. Peace talks fail = NATO invades Russian middle eastern allies.
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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:57 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Talanzaar wrote:
They are promoting terrorism, essentially delcaring war on all Muslims (there are Muslims in Italy).

Pope is essentially a terrorist in charge of a nation promoting religious war and freedom of religion is a part of Italys constitution.

I'd say its justified.

Killing, seizing the Pope, aye is justified.

Invading the nation, however, seems so...American.


You have to get to the Pope somehow don't ya
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Postby Ptolemais » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:58 pm

Limborg wrote:
But then you would get in trouble with alot of ME nations.


Like Russia undoubtedly already is? The lines have already been drawn in the ME.
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Postby The Enclave Government » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:58 pm

If the Russians dont scram from The Persian Gulf back to the black sea, im sending my navy.

Turkey is part of NATO.
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Postby Talanzaar » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:58 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Talanzaar wrote:
They are promoting terrorism, essentially delcaring war on all Muslims (there are Muslims in Italy).

Pope is essentially a terrorist in charge of a nation promoting religious war and freedom of religion is a part of Italys constitution.

I'd say its justified.

Killing, seizing the Pope, aye is justified.

Invading the nation, however, seems so...American.


Eh, maybe I'll just occupy it until a new pope is selected, then I'll withdraw all forces and return power.

But I won't have to even think about any of this if the Pope resigns and denounces terrorism.
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Limborg
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Postby Limborg » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:59 pm

The Broken Russian States wrote:
Ptolemais wrote:
Then we're in the same situation as we are now. Russia invaded US allies, US invades Russian allies. Neither side will be in direct conflict with each other because they want to avoid nuclear war (i'd hope).

Here's hoping. Peace talks fail = NATO invades Russian middle eastern allies.


Iran's only demand is the resignment and punishment of the Royal famelies of Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi-Arabia.

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Postby The Broken Russian States » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:59 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:If the Russians dont scram from The Persian Gulf back to the black sea, im sending my navy.

Turkey is part of NATO.


And you will be left to die if you attack Russia.
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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:59 pm

The Broken Russian States wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:True, but obviously even both together haven't work RL.....

There has been no true military action against them. I think if Mexico put their mind to it, they could do it. But legalize weed first. It will help a whole bunch

At one point Mexico sent 20,000 soldiers against them and it failed. Maybe legalizing marijuana will help, but still....

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Limborg
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Postby Limborg » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:00 pm

Ptolemais wrote:
Limborg wrote:
But then you would get in trouble with alot of ME nations.


Like Russia undoubtedly already is? The lines have already been drawn in the ME.


Well, attacking Iran means nukes on Israel. Period.

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Postby Ptolemais » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:00 pm

Christ who cares about what the Pope has to say? He's influential, but no one is going to listen to his calls for a damn Crusade. The best course of action isn't invading the Vatican, it's to just humour him and let him pretend that he has actual power.

I can't believe people even want to go to war with the Vatican FFS. It's all war war war war war
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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:00 pm

Limborg wrote:
The Broken Russian States wrote:Here's hoping. Peace talks fail = NATO invades Russian middle eastern allies.


Iran's only demand is the resignment and punishment of the Royal famelies of Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi-Arabia.


I want justice as well, 30 ksk agents killed, remember?

But what I initially suggested is a bad idea.

And Russia did it.
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Postby Equalium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:01 pm

The Broken Russian States wrote:
Talanzaar wrote:
I am going to completely ignore this post because it is not realistic as Turkey is not the ultra-Islamist nation you are painting it to be and a President would not even dream about doing such a thing against the worlds largest religion.


Talanzaar, the IRA launching an invasion of Northern Ireland, Russia basically invading the Middle East from the south (-_- really Russia. Poor military choice), the pope being assassinated and then his funeral being hit by another chemical attack is far from realistic. Deal with it for now.

Just let it happen. Just shoot down any turkish war planes.

Transnistria was recognized by Belarus.

Does that mean I'm being unrealistic?

But I do agree. I think Russia is being really stupid by attacking the middle east. And Germany is being OP. They can't even have an offensive force.
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Postby Limborg » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:01 pm

The Broken Russian States wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Iran's only demand is the resignment and punishment of the Royal famelies of Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi-Arabia.


I want justice as well, 30 ksk agents killed, remember?

But what I initially suggested is a bad idea.

And Russia did it.


Indeed, but lets see how the peacetalks go, In the previous RP i played Iran aswell and made peace and stuff with Israel... So it shouldn't be to hard. ;)
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Postby The Enclave Government » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:02 pm

Russia is making a tactical move for the oil. NATO needs that oil. War be 'acoming boys and girls!
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:02 pm

Ptolemais wrote:Christ who cares about what the Pope has to say? He's influential, but no one is going to listen to his calls for a damn Crusade. The best course of action isn't invading the Vatican, it's to just humour him and let him pretend that he has actual power.

I can't believe people even want to go to war with the Vatican FFS. It's all war war war war war


Well, they look for the pope for inspiration. You, unfortunately will have no choice when war comes to your nation.
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Postby Limborg » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:03 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:Russia is making a tactical move for the oil. NATO needs that oil. War be 'acoming boys and girls!


Just wait for the peacetalks. If you attack now then there will be 100,000 Iranian soldiers crossing into Turkey that very same day.

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Postby The Broken Russian States » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:03 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:Russia is making a tactical move for the oil. NATO needs that oil. War be 'acoming boys and girls!


You better not. If you attack Russia, the peace treaty fails, and you just told NATO it has to go to war.
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Ptolemais
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Postby Ptolemais » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:03 pm

Limborg wrote:
Iran's only demand is the resignment and punishment of the Royal famelies of Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi-Arabia.


Ok, first of all, I just have to ask. I never saw any neutral party say they had evidence the attacks were carried out by these states. I think only Russia just came up with it after told it wasn't the Chechens. That's far from confirmation that it was the Saudis. If i'm wrong and the AP player specifically stated it was Saudi Arabia, then please correct me. Otherwise, it's a bit meta to just say "hey this country attacked me now I have casus beli to attack them!"

If we're still proceeding on this broad assumption anyways, then it's entirely possible the royal families could resign to avoid a complete invasion. This of course assumes the US takes no action, which is unlikely.
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Postby Talanzaar » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:04 pm

Ptolemais wrote:Christ who cares about what the Pope has to say? He's influential, but no one is going to listen to his calls for a damn Crusade. The best course of action isn't invading the Vatican, it's to just humour him and let him pretend that he has actual power.

I can't believe people even want to go to war with the Vatican FFS. It's all war war war war war


I am not going to war with the Vatican, just removing the terrorist pope and returning the peace loving Christian symbol Italy knows.
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Postby Talanzaar » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:05 pm

Talanzaar wrote:
Ptolemais wrote:Christ who cares about what the Pope has to say? He's influential, but no one is going to listen to his calls for a damn Crusade. The best course of action isn't invading the Vatican, it's to just humour him and let him pretend that he has actual power.

I can't believe people even want to go to war with the Vatican FFS. It's all war war war war war


I am not going to war with the Vatican, just removing the terrorist pope and returning the peace loving Christian symbol Italy knows.


And besides, I've given the Vatican some time to deal with it peacefully. 48 hours to resign, if not, I take action.
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The Broken Russian States
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Postby The Broken Russian States » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:05 pm

Ptolemais wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Iran's only demand is the resignment and punishment of the Royal famelies of Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi-Arabia.


Ok, first of all, I just have to ask. I never saw any neutral party say they had evidence the attacks were carried out by these states. I think only Russia just came up with it after told it wasn't the Chechens. That's far from confirmation that it was the Saudis. If i'm wrong and the AP player specifically stated it was Saudi Arabia, then please correct me. Otherwise, it's a bit meta to just say "hey this country attacked me now I have casus beli to attack them!"

If we're still proceeding on this broad assumption anyways, then it's entirely possible the royal families could resign to avoid a complete invasion. This of course assumes the US takes no action, which is unlikely.


Actually, the guy playing Al-Queda did say these countries did it.

I wonder where he went.
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