A Throne of Thorns (AWRP/OOC/Reboot)

[Of the Quendi]

Oh right...still you'd think they'd be more worried by the Byzantines then me. Plus isn't Allennia the Fatamids? And their Shia while those that conquered Sicily where both an e torwly different family plus Sunni.

I don't think Alleniana's caliphate is the Fatimids but they ruled Sicily as well. As for the Byzantines there is only a short border between the Caliphate and the Byzantines since there is some Turkish NPC in central Anatolia so I don't think a Byzantine-Ahmeddin War would make much sense for either party.

[Quirina]

Oh right...still you'd think they'd be more worried by the Byzantines then me. Plus isn't Allennia the Fatamids? And their Shia while those that conquered Sicily where both an e torwly different family plus Sunni.

I don't think Alleniana's caliphate is the Fatimids but they ruled Sicily as well. As for the Byzantines there is only a short border between the Caliphate and the Byzantines since there is some Turkish NPC in central Anatolia so I don't think a Byzantine-Ahmeddin War would make much sense for either party.

I would like to open this up, but the Trastamarans, who were the ruling house in Castile, is historically a cadet branch of the House of Burgundy. Your thoughts, Quendi?

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

By what possible right do you have a claim to Sicily? Cause of anything I've got a claim to Jerusalem via Conradin's whole "King of Jerusalem" thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Sicily

To be fair, if you're a Muslim state in this period, all you need is an aggressive Sultan and declare a Holy Jihad to claim whichever land you wish to conquer.

[Timothia]

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

[Vredlandia]

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

Good work! The legend is also a nice idea

[Of the Quendi]

I would like to open this up, but the Trastamarans, who were the ruling house in Castile, is historically a cadet branch of the House of Burgundy. Your thoughts, Quendi?

The House of Trastámara is a cadet branch of the Anscarid House of Burgundy originating in the Free County of Burgundy in the HRE which is not the same as my House of Burgundy which originated from the Duchy of Burgundy in France as a cadet branch of the Capetians. In OTL the two family are not linked but of course we can change that in this timeline if you'd like.

To be fair, if you're a Muslim state in this period, all you need is an aggressive Sultan and declare a Holy Jihad to claim whichever land you wish to conquer.

Certainly.

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

The HRE is still too large controlling large chunks of France as well as Sovereign Burgundy.

EDIT: Never mind.

[Timothia]

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

Good work! The legend is also a nice idea

Thanks!

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

The HRE is still too large controlling large chunks of France as well as Sovereign Burgundy.

EDIT: Never mind.

Are there any changes you want made? Or did I finally get it?

[Eaglleia]

Good work! The legend is also a nice idea

Thanks!

The HRE is still too large controlling large chunks of France as well as Sovereign Burgundy.

EDIT: Never mind.

Are there any changes you want made? Or did I finally get it?

Well the English borders around 1400 went A little more north than that, though it's a minuscule change.

[Timothia]

Thanks!


Are there any changes you want made? Or did I finally get it?

Well the English borders around 1400 went A little more north than that, though it's a minuscule change.

I love minuscule changes, lol, thanks.

[Of the Quendi]

How do people feel about possibly starting the conclave now?

[Ublia]

How do people feel about possibly starting the conclave now?

Sure. Though I wish the Venetian had responded...

[Alleniana]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Sicily

To be fair, if you're a Muslim state in this period, all you need is an aggressive Sultan and declare a Holy Jihad to claim whichever land you wish to conquer.

True, but claims make it a bit more formal and interesting, know what I mean? It would make more sense, therefore, for me to conquer Malta than Crete, given the chance, rather than the other way around.

Oh right...still you'd think they'd be more worried by the Byzantines then me. Plus isn't Allennia the Fatamids? And their Shia while those that conquered Sicily where both an e torwly different family plus Sunni.

Hmm looks like I got a claim on what the Entire Roman Empire a lot of conquering to do if we are going with that logic.

I don't think the entire Roman Empire... that would be like Scotland claiming all Europe because Celts from prehistory...
Sicily is a bit more recent, though I suppose it would probably be an exceedingly weak claim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Sicily

Oh right...still you'd think they'd be more worried by the Byzantines then me. Plus isn't Allennia the Fatamids? And their Shia while those that conquered Sicily where both an e torwly different family plus Sunni.

I'm not Fatimids... I'm Ahmeddin, and I am Sunni.

Islands are so disputable it's delicious!

Also, can I have a claim on Malta, Sicily, southern Iberia, Balearics and Cyprus? Just a claim from the days of the old Caliphates, and just something to spice things up. I won't march in with righteous indignation for reconquest

What do you mean claim?

If your country decides it consider Malta, Sicily, southern Iberia, Balearics and Cyprus (or for that matter, every other territory in the known world) to be its property then that is the prerogative of your country and hardly something that needs to be given permission for.

If you by claim mean that your country once owned it I think it would be difficult to fit it into the story lines but since your country is a caliphate it can trace continuity to preceding caliphates all the way back the Mecca and Medina, and as such can claim those territories since they where held by either Umayyad or Fatimid caliphates in the past.

Yes, claim. Sort of the same way France claimed Flanders against Holland in the last RP, but this claim is a bit weaker, because A. I have no or little legitimacy in many Christian eyes, and B. it was a longer tiema go. THough still a claim.

What do you mean claim?

If your country decides it consider Malta, Sicily, southern Iberia, Balearics and Cyprus (or for that matter, every other territory in the known world) to be its property then that is the prerogative of your country and hardly something that needs to be given permission for.

If you by claim mean that your country once owned it I think it would be difficult to fit it into the story lines but since your country is a caliphate it can trace continuity to preceding caliphates all the way back the Mecca and Medina, and as such can claim those territories since they where held by either Umayyad or Fatimid caliphates in the past.

By what possible right do you have a claim to Sicily? Cause of anything I've got a claim to Jerusalem via Conradin's whole "King of Jerusalem" thing.

That would make sense too.

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

Ah, that's good! Thanks!
I don't really mind my borders with the Sahara since it is hardly worth taking, though my northeast border is that of Syria's northern edge (you've got the Iraqi bit spot on ) whereas currently it's a bit slopey, and my western borders... to hell with it, I don't care.

THough I own the Nile until it goes into Sudan, and exits the Sahara

[Quirina]

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

This, by far, is the most beautiful and the most province-divided land I have ever seen.

I mean, you made the world, as I know it in RPing, big again.

[The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism]

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

Fantastic map.

Also, please don't start the conclave, I promise to post today.

[Quirina]

Am I the only player here who's about to tell a love story of a sick husband and a desperate-for-a-baby-boy wife with a daughter unfit to be an heir of the Castilian throne? This is the most challenging RP I ever encountered. Wew

EDIT: Do you have a blank version of the map we use? What game is that map from?

[The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism]

Am I the only player here who's about to tell a love story of a sick husband and a desperate-for-a-baby-boy wife with a daughter unfit to be an heir of the Castilian throne? This is the most challenging RP I ever encountered. Wew

Well, my Doge is soon to die of sickness, and he and his wife do have a daughter, but there's no baby-boy desperation.

Also, post is up.

[Timothia]

Am I the only player here who's about to tell a love story of a sick husband and a desperate-for-a-baby-boy wife with a daughter unfit to be an heir of the Castilian throne? This is the most challenging RP I ever encountered. Wew

You were before, but you aren't anymore. I'm stealing it. Just kidding, nice storyline, I wish mine was that that in-depth. And romantic.

[Quirina]

Am I the only player here who's about to tell a love story of a sick husband and a desperate-for-a-baby-boy wife with a daughter unfit to be an heir of the Castilian throne? This is the most challenging RP I ever encountered. Wew

Well, my Doge is soon to die of sickness, and he and his wife do have a daughter, but there's no baby-boy desperation.

Also, post is up.

Very soon. It took me overnight to construct my next post.

[Alleniana]

Full World.

Now it's done, so that we can see the full size of the Timurids and the Calpihate. Also, whenever someone sends a hopeless caravel west into the Atlantic (not for a almost a century yet, of course), America will be there. I transfered Malta and the Balearics to Venice. Basically, if there was an island in the Mediterranean, I gave it to Venice

I'm not 100% on the Caliphate's borders, so let me know how close they are to correct.

This, by far, is the most beautiful and the most province-divided land I have ever seen.

I mean, you made the world, as I know it in RPing, big again.

Do you mean the map's province borders?

You can find them by searching up HoI 3 paintable map.

I need to post will try to do so soon

[Quirina]

If you want to be updated in data about Castile in this RP, consult the original post of my app there or in my sig link "Corona de Castilla". I have no greater place to put up such delicate data. Thanks

[Alleniana]

If you want to be updated in data about Castile in this RP, consult the original post of my app there or in my sig link "Corona de Castilla". I have no greater place to put up such delicate data. Thanks

Ah, just noticed. I see a link to Salerno and HoM Spain as well

[Quirina]

If you want to be updated in data about Castile in this RP, consult the original post of my app there or in my sig link "Corona de Castilla". I have no greater place to put up such delicate data. Thanks

Ah, just noticed. I see a link to Salerno and HoM Spain as well

Hahaha I thought you won't.

[Alleniana]

Ah, just noticed. I see a link to Salerno and HoM Spain as well

Hahaha I thought you won't.

Wouldn't?

[Of the Quendi]

The year was 1402.

Everyone else is in 1401. Early 1401.

Juan, the Archbishop of Toledo, was sent to a three-day trip to Roma to visit his office there.

Assuming that this character is the same as your cardinal he will not reach Rome in time to play a role in the conclave. By the time news of the pope's death reach Toledo conclave would have probably begun already and he certainly wouldn't be able to reach Rome before the conclave was locked inside the Vatican.

[Quirina]

The year was 1402.

Everyone else is in 1401. Early 1401.

Juan, the Archbishop of Toledo, was sent to a three-day trip to Roma to visit his office there.

Assuming that this character is the same as your cardinal he will not reach Rome in time to play a role in the conclave. By the time news of the pope's death reach Toledo conclave would have probably begun already and he certainly wouldn't be able to reach Rome before the conclave was locked inside the Vatican.

Thanks for the clarification.

And the cardinal is not entering the conclave but just visiting his room/office hall in the Vatican. I'm sure all cardinals have their places to stay in Vatican right?