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Caltarania
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Postby Caltarania » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:34 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
I should mention that, like the Ottomans, the Mameluke Empire is the Sick Man of Asia.

Fixed


Eh, I think that Egypt would have become considered Europe somewhat, like Turkey did.

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
Bujahla wrote:Mkay, so I'm making the thread, calm down.

Anyhow, I need to post another special rule, so I'll spell it out here to link to the OP of the post.

So in this RP, colonization will be done realistically and not in this hap-hazard way I've seen in many other RP's. As well, we will not be allowing every nation to go "hey look I colonized this" and as such, we have made a set a rules for how colonization will be done.

Essentially, every nation is given a number of provinces they are allowed to colonize on. These are determined by a mechanical process that allows for even colonization. When you make an IC post, you post in the OOC where you started a colony. A colony starts with one province. While it can expand with multiple at a time, its best to go one at a time. You can lay claim to areas you don't control and these will be contested in the RP. Areas you claimed will be designated on the map by stripes (oh lord I hate making these). The process goes as follows:

+X - Location. Western Europe receives +5, Other powerful nations in Europe get +2, Other nations in Europe get +1, Asian and African nations get +0.
+X - Population. For each 20 million people a nation has they get plus 1. If they have under, they get +0.
+X - Ports. For each major port a nation gets +1. A major port is determined by using the 200mi scale on google earth and if a coastal city is recognized it counts.
+X - Historical Size. Nations that had historical colonial empires but are smaller get a larger bonus. Nations that didn't have empires get from +0 to -2. Very objective.
+X - Naval Power. Ranging from +0 to +5, each nation will get a rating based on their oceanic naval power (so med sea naval power doesn't help).

Current numbers for nations I have calculated with Calt:
Scotland - 7
Aragon - 11
Burgundy -13
Denmark - 5
Sweden - 5
Naples - 4
Spain - 11
Angolis - 15

Note, the historical size keeps count of things like current colonies, but it's not perfect. It makes sense that the Angevin have the most opportunities due to their home nation, but historically they have missed out on colonizing. If you would like to see where these come from, just ask as I have all the calculations.

If you are expanding too fast colony wise, you will face IC events to stop this. No OOC harm will come, but the IC events should discourage you.

As for what you can colonize, the province map of EU4 will be a roughly guide. Essentially only naval territorty. Note, this does not apply anywhere but Africa and Indonesia.

Holy Shit I get FOUR colonies?!?!??!


Four Provinces as colonies at a time.
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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:35 pm

Caltarania wrote:
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Fixed


Eh, I think that Egypt would have become considered Europe somewhat, like Turkey did.

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Holy Shit I get FOUR colonies?!?!??!


Four Provinces as colonies at a time.

Thats fucking great..But trukey has part of its land in Europe, Egypt does not.
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Postby Bujahla » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:36 pm

Caltarania wrote:
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Fixed


Eh, I think that Egypt would have become considered Europe somewhat, like Turkey did.

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Holy Shit I get FOUR colonies?!?!??!


Four Provinces as colonies at a time.


These numbers for provinces are subject to change and after so long in the IC, they will increase.
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Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."


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Postby Bujahla » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:36 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Eh, I think that Egypt would have become considered Europe somewhat, like Turkey did.



Four Provinces as colonies at a time.

Thats fucking great..But trukey has part of its land in Europe, Egypt does not.


Sick man of Atlantropa.
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Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."


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Postby Caltarania » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:38 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Eh, I think that Egypt would have become considered Europe somewhat, like Turkey did.



Four Provinces as colonies at a time.

Thats fucking great..But trukey has part of its land in Europe, Egypt does not.


Eh, the Holy Land is sometimes considered Europe. Israel competes in Eurovision, for example. I don't see how Egypt couldn't be seen as, by Europeans, semi-Europe and Anatolia as a backwards region.
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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:38 pm

Caltarania wrote:
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Thats fucking great..But trukey has part of its land in Europe, Egypt does not.


Eh, the Holy Land is sometimes considered Europe. Israel competes in Eurovision, for example. I don't see how Egypt couldn't be seen as, by Europeans, semi-Europe and Anatolia as a backwards region.

I care very little, but yeah.
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Postby Rephesus » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:38 pm

Bujahla wrote:
Rephesus wrote:The first rule 'Location' seems pretty Eurocentric. I mean even the Javans and Cholas did a bit of minor colonization.


Omfg. You and your fucking "that's eurocentricism!" complain are so god damn annoying. Yes, yes it is. And you know what? It works. You know who had colonies in real life? Europe, hence they get a bonus. The Javans, which is already colonized, can still colonized, but they aren't going to get a bonus like the technologically advanced Europeans. What I did not mention in this, is that it doesn't stop Asian nations from colonizing, but, they are barred from colonizing without OP approval because it needs to make sense ICly before Japan starts colonizing.

Yikes. Did I strike a nerve?

And no bonus for Americans I'm assuming? Liberia, Guam,
Hawaii, St. Pete's...

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Postby Bujahla » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:42 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Bujahla wrote:
Omfg. You and your fucking "that's eurocentricism!" complain are so god damn annoying. Yes, yes it is. And you know what? It works. You know who had colonies in real life? Europe, hence they get a bonus. The Javans, which is already colonized, can still colonized, but they aren't going to get a bonus like the technologically advanced Europeans. What I did not mention in this, is that it doesn't stop Asian nations from colonizing, but, they are barred from colonizing without OP approval because it needs to make sense ICly before Japan starts colonizing.

Yikes. Did I strike a nerve?

And no bonus for Americans I'm assuming? Liberia, Guam,
Hawaii, St. Pete's...


Well for the record, I am the American nation. And no. I don't feel that I should have a bonus.
- Liberia - ACS did that. Not the gov't, but technically the US could have colonized Africa if it wanted to.
- Guam - Won from war. Not really colonization for say.
- Hawaii - Annexed after coup from private businessmen. Not settled by gov't
- St. Pete's - The beach in florida?

And yes, you did strike a nerve because you call that out every single time and tbh, it's quite annoying.
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Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."


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Postby Reatra » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:43 pm

I did the math and Genoas colonial power is anywhere from 4 to 6
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Postby Caltarania » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:44 pm

Reatra wrote:I did the maths and Genoas colonial power is anywhere from 4 to 6


Why the two province gap?

Ports or navy or what?
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Postby Rephesus » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:45 pm

Bujahla wrote:
Rephesus wrote:Yikes. Did I strike a nerve?

And no bonus for Americans I'm assuming? Liberia, Guam,
Hawaii, St. Pete's...


Well for the record, I am the American nation. And no. I don't feel that I should have a bonus.
- Liberia - ACS did that. Not the gov't, but technically the US could have colonized Africa if it wanted to.
- Guam - Won from war. Not really colonization for say.
- Hawaii - Annexed after coup from private businessmen. Not settled by gov't
- St. Pete's - The beach in florida?

And yes, you did strike a nerve because you call that out every single time and tbh, it's quite annoying.

Every single time? Now Bujah, that's a bit of a hyperbole, I've stated it maybe 5 times in the past 30 RPs.

As for which nation, I'd be interested in some sort of HRE nation. Maybe #13

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Caltarania
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Postby Caltarania » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:47 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Bujahla wrote:
Well for the record, I am the American nation. And no. I don't feel that I should have a bonus.
- Liberia - ACS did that. Not the gov't, but technically the US could have colonized Africa if it wanted to.
- Guam - Won from war. Not really colonization for say.
- Hawaii - Annexed after coup from private businessmen. Not settled by gov't
- St. Pete's - The beach in florida?

And yes, you did strike a nerve because you call that out every single time and tbh, it's quite annoying.

Every single time? Now Bujah, that's a bit of a hyperbole, I've stated it maybe 5 times in the past 30 RPs.

As for which nation, I'd be interested in some sort of HRE nation. Maybe #13


Oldenburg? Aye, it's a lovely catch this timea year!

That'll be £20, please, sir.
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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:48 pm

Caltarania wrote:
Rephesus wrote:Every single time? Now Bujah, that's a bit of a hyperbole, I've stated it maybe 5 times in the past 30 RPs.

As for which nation, I'd be interested in some sort of HRE nation. Maybe #13


Oldenburg? Aye, it's a lovely catch this timea year!

That'll be £20, please, sir.

Huehue Silly Brit using Pounds.
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Postby Bujahla » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:48 pm

*Huzzah he lives!*

Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."


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Postby Caltarania » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:48 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Oldenburg? Aye, it's a lovely catch this timea year!

That'll be £20, please, sir.

Huehue Silly Brit using Pounds.


The Italian Lira was fucking Pounds!
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Postby Mishmahig » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:49 pm

Bujahla wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=308529


You already have people who haven't read the OP.

*sighs sadly*

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Postby Caltarania » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:50 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Bujahla wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=308529


You already have people who haven't read the OP.

*sighs sadly*


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Postby Bujahla » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:50 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Bujahla wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=308529


You already have people who haven't read the OP.

*sighs sadly*


Tis okay. I denied the kid.
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Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."


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Postby Reatra » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:57 pm

Caltarania wrote:
Reatra wrote:I did the maths and Genoas colonial power is anywhere from 4 to 6


Why the two province gap?

Ports or navy or what?


Yeah. And now that I think about it, Crimea could be considered a colony, and instead is get +0 instead of -1...

I likely have SOME ocean navy, I have to trade with Morocco or Spain.
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Postby Mishmahig » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:58 pm

Caltarania wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
You already have people who haven't read the OP.

*sighs sadly*


Faith in Humanity = Lost?


No, no, just disappointed.

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Postby Caltarania » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:02 pm

Reatra wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Why the two province gap?

Ports or navy or what?


Yeah. And now that I think about it, Crimea could be considered a colony, and instead is get +0 instead of -1...

I likely have SOME ocean navy, I have to trade with Morocco or Spain.


I'd say 4 is probably a safe bet, considering that's what Naples has.

Mishmahig wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Faith in Humanity = Lost?


No, no, just disappointed.


Aye, as am I.
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Postby Caltarania » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:08 pm

Re-posted here for reference.

List of Nations:

1. Dual Kingdom of England and France
2. Kingdom of Burgundy
3. Crown of Aragon
4. Kingdom of Spain
5. Kingdom of the Scots
6. Duchy of Savoy
7. Grand Duchy of Baden
8. Duchy of Württemberg
9. Free City of Münster
10. Duchy of Greater Cologne
11. Kingdom of Bavaria
12. Duchy of Brunswick
13. Duchy of Oldenburg
14. Archbishopric of Bremen
15. Free Hanseatic Cities
16. Kingdom of Denmark-Norway
17. Margraviate of Brandenburg
18. Kingdom of Pomerania
19. Duchy of Tyrol
20. Duchy of Austria
21. Duchy of Milan
22. Most Serene Republic of Venice
23. Kingdom of the Croats
24. Most Serene Republic of Genoa
25. Florentine Republic
26. Papal States
27. Kingdom of Naples
28. Kingdom of Albania
29. Sultanate of Morocco
30. Sokot Confederacy
31. Mameluke Empire
32. Latin Empire
33. Kingdom of Thrace
34. Serbian Empire
35. Duchy of Moldavia
36. Kingdom of Bohemia
37. Kingdom of Poland
38. Duchy of Prussia
39. Kingdom of Sweden
40. Duchy of Courland
41. Federation of Aleyska
42. Republic of le Nord
43. Manhattan Confederacy
44. Huron-Wyandot
45. League of Peace and Power
46. Miami Tribe
47. Ottawa Tribe
48. Pottawatomie Tribe
49. Shawnee Confederacy
50. Empire of all the Russias
51. Persian Empire
52. Kingdom of Jebel Shammar
53. Kingdom of Yemen
54. Kingdom of Oman
55. Emirate of Abu Dhabi
56. Sultanate of Delhi
57. Celestial Kingdom of Yìndù
58. Maratha Confederacy
59. Kingdom of Nepal
60. Kingdom of Sikkim
61. Kingdom of Bhutan
62. Tibetan Empire
63. Kingdom of Uyghurstan
64. Mongol Khanate
65. Empire of China
66. Kingdom of Great Joseon
67. Shogunate of Japan
68. Kingdom of the Viet
69. Kingdom of Dai Nam
70. Kingdom of Cochinchina
71. Cambodian Kingdom
72. Kingdom of Laos
73. Siamese Empire
74. Independent Republic of Daksina
75. Hegemony of the Ngā Rauru
76. Swahili League
77. Empire of the Zulu
78. French Republic of the Cape
79. Republic of the Patagonië
80. Confederation of the Rio de La Plata
81. Kingdom of Bolivia
82. Empire of Nova Roma
83. Grenadine Confederation
84. Republic of Venezuela
85. Republic of Texas
86. Kingdom of Florida
87. Republic of West Florida
88. Cherokee League
89. Republic of Nieuwekust
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Postby Kryskov » Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:27 am

no no no i missed all of the hot action

What hasn't been taken?

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Postby Bujahla » Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:34 am

Kryskov wrote:no no no i missed all of the hot action

What hasn't been taken?


pretty much everything. go to the thread

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=308529
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Postby Goral » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:42 pm

im starting my own RP and i want to select a world map image from my desktop to the forum how do i do that?
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