AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

[Luziyca]

Sorry if I infringed your copyright.

Why would Ethiopia be included, but not Kenya?

Because Ethiopia is a major Japanese dominion and basically the most "Asian" country in Africa.

True, but Kenya was similar to that. Kenya is still thoroughly influenced by Chinese culture, with some African culture thrown in, despite Idi Amin trying to Africanize his country. Kenyan Swahili adopted the Chinese alphabet, but Idi Amin attempted to convert it to the Tanzanian standard much to everyone's hatred and has a lot of Chinese loanwords (essentially, it is a semi-tonal language, if you encounter a tone, you just encountered Chinese) to an extent that both Tanzanians and Chinese can understand a Kenyan in the same conversation. The architecture is based off of Chinese architecture down to feng shui, and Chinese was the lingua franca of the business world in Kenya as late as the early 1980s.

And prior to independence, half of the population were of Chinese descent, of which 90% of them were Han Chinese, and 5% were Hui Muslims (many of them migrated to the Maldives). Even after independence, a significant minority stayed put, but Amin expelled all of them and made them leave with only what they can carry. Some have returned after 1985, but many of the Heijiao do not want to return to Kenya.

[Unicario]

yeah, but Ethiopia would be a dependency of Japan.

[Luziyca]

yeah, but Ethiopia would be a dependency of Japan.

Ah, okay.

Perhaps in June of 1984, Idi Amin declared himself Emperor of Kenya and Ethiopia and attempted to invade Ethiopia resulting in a possible Sino-Japanese intervention bringing Amin down on Jan. 26, 1985 and installing Daniel arap Moi into power (democratically elected in 1978, but Idi Amin rigged it in his favor)?

[Unicario]

yeah, but Ethiopia would be a dependency of Japan.

Ah, okay.

Perhaps in June of 1984, Idi Amin declared himself Emperor of Kenya and Ethiopia and attempted to invade Ethiopia resulting in a possible Sino-Japanese intervention bringing Amin down on Jan. 26, 1985 and installing Daniel arap Moi into power (democratically elected in 1978, but Idi Amin rigged it in his favor)?

Yeah, that could probably do the justice. The Dominion of Ethiopia, being very favorable towards remaining as a Japanese Dominion would have it's own army by 1985 (they get Dominion status in 1923 or 1932) -- So the Ethiopians would spank Idi Amin and overthrow him themselves by marching on Kenya's capital.

[Luziyca]

Ah, okay.

Perhaps in June of 1984, Idi Amin declared himself Emperor of Kenya and Ethiopia and attempted to invade Ethiopia resulting in a possible Sino-Japanese intervention bringing Amin down on Jan. 26, 1985 and installing Daniel arap Moi into power (democratically elected in 1978, but Idi Amin rigged it in his favor)?

Yeah, that could probably do the justice. The Dominion of Ethiopia, being very favorable towards remaining as a Japanese Dominion would have it's own army by 1985 (they get Dominion status in 1923 or 1932) -- So the Ethiopians would spank Idi Amin and overthrow him themselves by marching on Kenya's capital.

While China will also engage in it by applying the "colonial expedition law" (basically, if rebels use violence, the Chinese can use all of their forces they could to suppress it, such as during the Mau Mau Uprising from 1952 to 1958), and engage in their last colonial expedition (the law was repealed in 1985 shortly after that expedition) to bring down Idi Amin.

By 1921, the last King of Daohui died and the capital was moved to Lengshui from Shengjing. Lengshui was founded in 1899 as a bus depot, but by 1903, many government offices moved to Shengjing (save a few in Shengjing and the Palace in Xijing) due to more space and it being less vulnerable to foreign invasion. In 1960, Lengshui was renamed to Nairobi by Jomo Kenyatta, but both names were co-official until 1980 when Idi Amin deemed Nairobi to be its only legal name. It has stuck, since few of the Chinese returned (Mombasa and Shengjing are co-official since 2005 due to a sizable Chinese community).

So when both China and Ethiopia enter Nairobi, many Kenyans will welcome the forces since Idi Amin had very little support left by the time he made the suicidal decision to invade Ethiopia. The fact that he massacred 100 schoolchildren for refusing to wear expensive government uniforms did not help.

[Unicario]

Alexander may be young, but he's not an idiot or a push-over. >_>

[Ruridova]

Considering having a German republican write a book where a charismatic reactionary comes to power in a democratic Germany, turning it into an autocracy, and having it engage in a crazy war of conquest that results in Germany's nigh-destruction.

Maybe a Confederate book in which the American Rebellion of the 1770s succeeded?

[Unicario]

Considering having a German republican write a book where a charismatic reactionary comes to power in a democratic Germany, turning it into an autocracy, and having it engage in a crazy war of conquest that results in Germany's nigh-destruction.

How about said German republican visits the Inca Empire, and looks at their flag and inspired by that strange, Oriental symbol, writes "Knight of the Swastika"?

I might have a Japanese novelist write "Day of Infamy", a novel in which an alternate history of Japan is that the 1331 Rebellion fails, and Japan isn't opened up until 1868 by the Confederate States of America (USA of this TL) -- it goes through a fictional world war against Germany and in 1941, attacks American Hawaii in an alt version of the Pacific War (Japanese-American War ATL). It ends with Japan being attacked by "the mushroom bomb", leading to the fall of the "divine Empire" and rise of a "republic" in it's place. Meiji in this novel would be OTL Meiji (a male, causing much controversy in Japan)

A Turkish book where the Red Rebellion never takes place, and the Ottoman Empire "dissolves into mass chaos" by the 20th century.

Heh, ATL books about OTL. Love it.

[Ruridova]

Considering having a German republican write a book where a charismatic reactionary comes to power in a democratic Germany, turning it into an autocracy, and having it engage in a crazy war of conquest that results in Germany's nigh-destruction.

How about said German republican visits the Inca Empire, and looks at their flag and inspired by that strange, Oriental symbol, writes "Knight of the Swastika"?

I might have a Japanese novelist write "Day of Infamy", a novel in which an alternate history of Japan is that the 1331 Rebellion fails, and Japan isn't opened up until 1868 by the Confederate States of America (USA of this TL) -- it goes through a fictional world war against Germany and in 1941, attacks American Hawaii in an alt version of the Pacific War (Japanese-American War ATL). It ends with Japan being attacked by "the mushroom bomb", leading to the fall of the "divine Empire" and rise of a "republic" in it's place. Meiji in this novel would be OTL Meiji (a male, causing much controversy in Japan)

A Turkish book where the Red Rebellion never takes place, and the Ottoman Empire "dissolves into mass chaos" by the 20th century.

Heh, ATL books about OTL. Love it.

A Yugoslavian author writing a book from the perspective of a Serbian nationalist with plans to kill the Archduke of Austria?

A Hungarian writing about a small Hungarian rump state that attempts to break from Moscow's sphere and is invaded as a result?

A Riograndese author writing a book about a united Mexico fighting criminal gangs?

A Mayiqan writing about a universe in which the CSA controls almost all of Anglophone America, and is attacked by jihadists?

A Tehuantepecan author writing about Amerindian rebels in Chiapas?

[Unicario]

How about said German republican visits the Inca Empire, and looks at their flag and inspired by that strange, Oriental symbol, writes "Knight of the Swastika"?

I might have a Japanese novelist write "Day of Infamy", a novel in which an alternate history of Japan is that the 1331 Rebellion fails, and Japan isn't opened up until 1868 by the Confederate States of America (USA of this TL) -- it goes through a fictional world war against Germany and in 1941, attacks American Hawaii in an alt version of the Pacific War (Japanese-American War ATL). It ends with Japan being attacked by "the mushroom bomb", leading to the fall of the "divine Empire" and rise of a "republic" in it's place. Meiji in this novel would be OTL Meiji (a male, causing much controversy in Japan)

A Turkish book where the Red Rebellion never takes place, and the Ottoman Empire "dissolves into mass chaos" by the 20th century.

Heh, ATL books about OTL. Love it.

A Yugoslavian author writing a book from the perspective of a Serbian nationalist with plans to kill the Archduke of Austria?

A Hungarian writing about a small Hungarian rump state that attempts to break from Moscow's sphere and is invaded as a result?

A Riograndese author writing a book about a united Mexico fighting criminal gangs?

A Mayiqan writing about a universe in which the CSA controls almost all of Anglophone America, and is attacked by jihadists?

A Tehuantepecan author writing about Amerindian rebels in Chiapas?

A French author writing about a fictional war between France and a disunited Germany over Alsace-Lorraine?

A British author writing about a fictional "Blitz" between a fictional German Reich and Britain?

A Russia author writing about a fictional communist takeover?

[Ruridova]

A Yugoslavian author writing a book from the perspective of a Serbian nationalist with plans to kill the Archduke of Austria?

A Hungarian writing about a small Hungarian rump state that attempts to break from Moscow's sphere and is invaded as a result?

A Riograndese author writing a book about a united Mexico fighting criminal gangs?

A Mayiqan writing about a universe in which the CSA controls almost all of Anglophone America, and is attacked by jihadists?

A Tehuantepecan author writing about Amerindian rebels in Chiapas?

A French author writing about a fictional war between France and a disunited Germany over Alsace-Lorraine?

A British author writing about a fictional "Blitz" between a fictional German Reich and Britain?

A Russia author writing about a fictional communist takeover?

A Cuban Confederate writing about a crisis between a European nation and the CSA involving massively powerful weapons?

An Indochinese author writing in a history where France, not Japan, colonized the area?

An Austrian author writing about a universe where Austria remained independent?

A Confederate author writing about a war in Korea between a Chinese-Russian-Korean force and a American-British-French-Korean force?

[Unicario]

A French author writing about a fictional war between France and a disunited Germany over Alsace-Lorraine?

A British author writing about a fictional "Blitz" between a fictional German Reich and Britain?

A Russia author writing about a fictional communist takeover?

A Cuban Confederate writing about a crisis between a European nation and the CSA involving massively powerful weapons?

An Indochinese author writing in a history where France, not Japan, colonized the area?

An Austrian author writing about a universe where Austria remained independent?

A Confederate author writing about a war in Korea between a Chinese-Russian-Korean force and a American-British-French-Korean force?

That last one would probably be so unpopular in Korea it'd end up with piles of the books burned in public squares like Seoul and Pyongyang for "showing Korea divided and destroyed".

[Ruridova]

A Cuban Confederate writing about a crisis between a European nation and the CSA involving massively powerful weapons?

An Indochinese author writing in a history where France, not Japan, colonized the area?

An Austrian author writing about a universe where Austria remained independent?

A Confederate author writing about a war in Korea between a Chinese-Russian-Korean force and a American-British-French-Korean force?

That last one would probably be so unpopular in Korea it'd end up with piles of the books burned in public squares like Seoul and Pyongyang for "showing Korea divided and destroyed".

What, and being under a foreign heel now doesn't annoy them? ;P

[Luziyca]

A French author writing about a fictional war between France and a disunited Germany over Alsace-Lorraine?

A British author writing about a fictional "Blitz" between a fictional German Reich and Britain?

A Russia author writing about a fictional communist takeover?

A Cuban Confederate writing about a crisis between a European nation and the CSA involving massively powerful weapons?

An Indochinese author writing in a history where France, not Japan, colonized the area?

An Austrian author writing about a universe where Austria remained independent?

A Confederate author writing about a war in Korea between a Chinese-Russian-Korean force and a American-British-French-Korean force?

A Chinese author writing about the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution?

A Kenyan author writing about a history in which Britain colonized Kenya and Uganda?

A Russian author writing about Crimeans wanting to rejoin Russia and achieving it under Putin?

A Guyanese author writing about France crushing the Guyanese and having it stay part of France?

A Korean author writing about how Kim il-Sung plunged Korea into famine?

[Unicario]

A Korean author writing about how Kim il-Sung plunged Korea into famine?

That'd probably lead to a lawsuit since it'd be defamation of character and slander. Kim Il-sung is going to be a Chancellor of Japan in the 1950s. >_>

That last one would probably be so unpopular in Korea it'd end up with piles of the books burned in public squares like Seoul and Pyongyang for "showing Korea divided and destroyed".

What, and being under a foreign heel now doesn't annoy them? ;P

Considering Korea isn't under a famine, is industralizing, railroads are being built, social reforms are being pressed through, and they have representation and unity, no, not under Japan anyway.

[Ruridova]

A Russian author writing about Crimeans wanting to rejoin Russia and achieving it under Putin?

It's the 1800s, how have they predicted the birth of Vladimir Putin?

Besides, it would be more like "A Russian author writing about Moscow throwing a giant hissyfit because one of its obedient little puppets decided to think for itself for once so Russia dredges up some ancient claim,pulls a story about persecution out of its ass, and invades despite widespread international criticism, lying about their involvement, rigging a referendum to make it look like Crimeans want it, and then simply telling Ukraine 'and while we're at it we're going to double the price of a vital resource even though you're having economic trouble' all while relying on the fact that the West is too soft and Ukraine is too weak to respond".

A Korean author writing about how Kim il-Sung plunged Korea into famine?

That'd probably lead to a lawsuit since it'd be defamation of character and slander. Kim Il-sung is going to be a Chancellor of Japan in the 1950s. >_>

What, and being under a foreign heel now doesn't annoy them? ;P

Considering Korea isn't under a famine, is industralizing, railroads are being built, social reforms are being pressed through, and they have representation and unity, no, not under Japan anyway.

Still a foreign heel. The Springtime of Nations is coming.

[Unicario]

Still a foreign heel. The Springtime of Nations is coming.

There will be some sporadic violence in Korea, but it won't escalate into a full-blown revolution. Korea is a relatively happy place. The 1776 Rebellion was mostly a fluke because of a player violating my requests that he play as I had set Korea up, so... yeah.

[Luziyca]

A Russian author writing about Crimeans wanting to rejoin Russia and achieving it under Putin?

It's the 1800s, how have they predicted the birth of Vladimir Putin?

Besides, it would be more like "A Russian author writing about Moscow throwing a giant hissyfit because one of its obedient little puppets decided to think for itself for once so Russia dredges up some ancient claim,pulls a story about persecution out of its ass, and invades despite widespread international criticism, lying about their involvement, rigging a referendum to make it look like Crimeans want it, and then simply telling Ukraine 'and while we're at it we're going to double the price of a vital resource even though you're having economic trouble' all while relying on the fact that the West is too soft and Ukraine is too weak to respond".

Lucky guess.

Also, be careful. It may get AQed.

[Luziyca]

I may consider that by the 1890s, Hainan ceases to be used as a penal colony to banish people to, and penal colonies are set up in the Maldives since it is a) far away from China, and b) difficult to escape since the colonies would be surrounded on all sides by water. Prior to independence in 1962, besides the 108,198 people (14,392 Han and 93,806 Maldivans), there would've been 12,022 convicts at all the penal colonies, meaning 1 out every 10 people living there was a convict convicted in China (the convicts lived on 29 penal colonies in the Maldives, or an average population of 1,335-1,336 people per penal colony), and in 1962, those 12,022 prisoners comprised 2/3rds of China's prisoners (18,033 prisoners, or one out of every 36,000 people). They were all relocated to Mongolia except those whose offenses were in the Maldives. The Kenyan prisoners were released in 1959 before the referendum.

Also, Shrilland, do you have any plans with the Chagos Islands (Diego Garcia, Peros Banhos, Salomon Islands, and Egmont Islands) as a colony of Britain? Or could China have it?

[Luziyca]

Okay, don't know whether in 1984, Idi Amin should declare war on Uganda, or in 1979, the 5.3 million Chinese were given a choice to leave the country in a week with only what they can carry or risk "ethnic reform" by the government. The ethnic reform policy (mageuzi ya kikabila) would target the 2.1 million Chinese who hadn't left Kenya, with government-backed Swahili and Somali death squads against the Chinese in Kenya that kill 900,000 Chinese in 100 days before Tanganiyka, Congo, Ethiopia and China invade Kenya and oust Idi Amin, with the result of installing Daniel arap Moi as President and trying Idi Amin for genocide. Essentially, the Rwandan genocide but with a faster (sort of) response time.

If the latter occurs, Kenya faces a recession and a brain drain until around 1985, and then by 2003, it would've surpassed its living standards in 1978 (the worst year was in 1979 as a good chunk of the Chinese who survived moved back to China).

[Unicario]

Okay, don't know whether in 1984, Idi Amin should declare war on Uganda, or in 1979, the 5.3 million Chinese were given a choice to leave the country in a week with only what they can carry or risk "ethnic reform" by the government. The ethnic reform policy (mageuzi ya kikabila) would target the 2.1 million Chinese who hadn't left Kenya, with government-backed Swahili and Somali death squads against the Chinese in Kenya that kill 900,000 Chinese in 100 days before Tanganiyka, Congo, Ethiopia and China invade Kenya and oust Idi Amin, with the result of installing Daniel arap Moi as President and trying Idi Amin for genocide. Essentially, the Rwandan genocide but with a faster (sort of) response time.

If the latter occurs, Kenya faces a recession and a brain drain until around 1985, and then by 2003, it would've surpassed its living standards in 1978 (the worst year was in 1979 as a good chunk of the Chinese who survived moved back to China).

Somali death squads? No Somalis. The Somalis by the 1980's will be almost entirely Japonic people, basically the descendants of settlers and people living there. After a Kenyan ethnic genocide begins, both the Japanese Emperor (being Caliph of Japanese Islam) and the Ottoman Sultan(a) (being Caliph of Sunni Islam) would call a jihad against Kenya's government for the mass murder of innocents.

First, Japan and Kenya would appeal to the United Nations, but would likely just invade straight up.

Speaking of war -- Are we going to have any World Wars? It'll be kind of complex, but I imagine we'll eventually *have* to have some.

[Ruridova]

Somali death squads? No Somalis. The Somalis by the 1980's will be almost entirely Japonic people, basically the descendants of settlers and people living there.

Is that even vaguely realistic?

Speaking of war -- Are we going to have any World Wars? It'll be kind of complex, but I imagine we'll eventually *have* to have some.

I'd expect so, but... how would they work? Everyone is allied to everyone.

[Unicario]

Somali death squads? No Somalis. The Somalis by the 1980's will be almost entirely Japonic people, basically the descendants of settlers and people living there.

Is that even vaguely realistic?

Yeah, considering Japan is sending settlers in masse to their African colonies, Somalia will be filled with mixed race people by the 1980's, however, Ethiopia will remain mostly as-is, just with a few differences.

[Bojikami]

Somali death squads? No Somalis. The Somalis by the 1980's will be almost entirely Japonic people, basically the descendants of settlers and people living there.

Is that even vaguely realistic?

Speaking of war -- Are we going to have any World Wars? It'll be kind of complex, but I imagine we'll eventually *have* to have some.

I'd expect so, but... how would they work? Everyone is allied to everyone.

Well.... The Empire of Ruthenia could attack the Ottomans.

[Unicario]

Is that even vaguely realistic?

I'd expect so, but... how would they work? Everyone is allied to everyone.

Well.... The Empire of Ruthenia could attack the Ottomans.

Japan comes to the mighty aid of the Ottoman Empire, bringing Britain into the conflict as well;
Confederacy attacks Britain;
Germany and Russia are wildcards.