Elfen High 2 (OOC 3, Closed)

[Nude East Ireland]

However, bearing in mind what we've seen of Azazel's demons (such as Laz), he should be a lot more excited about killing things and give zero shits about dying.

Missing the point.

[Nationstatelandsville]

However, bearing in mind what we've seen of Azazel's demons (such as Laz), he should be a lot more excited about killing things and give zero shits about dying.

Missing the point.

Oh no, I perfectly understand the point.

I'm just saying that it makes no sense, given what we already know.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Give or take a few hundred years and the correct circumstances, and, yes, that makes sense.

He's called Crowley by Loki. Which means it must be after 1910, or whenever Crowley took the name from Anton's grandfather.

Also, it's mentioned at (I believe) the beginning of Arc 2 that Crowley has two slave boys that appear at whim, and he's had them for hundreds of years.

Actually, no. I got around that in the "The Old Days" oneshot.

[Nude East Ireland]

Missing the point.

Oh no, I perfectly understand the point.

I'm just saying that it makes no sense, given what we already know.

Not all Demons are assholes. Some of them have lives, wives, and are infected with hives.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Missing the point.

Oh no, I perfectly understand the point.

I'm just saying that it makes no sense, given what we already know.

Because humans have different attitudes regarding dying, but all demons are exactly the same.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Oh no, I perfectly understand the point.

I'm just saying that it makes no sense, given what we already know.

Because humans have different attitudes regarding dying, but all demons are exactly the same.

In a culture that glorifies war and violence and, as you have said many, many times, doesn't care about dying because they wake up in the same world?

[Olthar]

Give or take a few hundred years and the correct circumstances, and, yes, that makes sense.

...How? In any way, how?

I would understand if he showed any hint of being vaguely like Crowley before, but it's like his entire personality curled up and died.

And? People change, often drastically, over time, especially after traumatic events. A guy as old as Crowley has probably had many such events, and even if he only somewhat changed after each one, those changed pile up.

If you take 1,000 and add 1 to it, you won't get much of a change, but do it enough times, and that number will double or triple or more.

[Nationstatelandsville]

...How? In any way, how?

I would understand if he showed any hint of being vaguely like Crowley before, but it's like his entire personality curled up and died.

And? People change, often drastically, over time, especially after traumatic events. A guy as old as Crowley has probably had many such events, and even if he only somewhat changed after each one, those changed pile up.

If you take 1,000 and add 1 to it, you won't get much of a change, but do it enough times, and that number will double or triple or more.

People change, yes, but not that drastically.

If Crowley likes ice cream in 1400, he'll probably like ice cream in 2020. If Crowley is a vaguely nerdy wizard in 1400, no matter how many social skills he acquires or perversions he develops, he'll still be vaguely nerdy.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Because humans have different attitudes regarding dying, but all demons are exactly the same.

In a culture that glorifies war and violence and, as you have said many, many times, doesn't care about dying because they wake up in the same world?

Let me start this way.

Nat, you're an American. How much do you want to join the military or go to church?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

People change, yes, but not that drastically.

Oh, you have no idea about the difference between me at 10 and me at 20.

[Olthar]

Just go with that, describe it yourself. You'll do a better job seeing it in your own head.

I will now imagine it as the Emperor's throne room on the Death Star.

[Nude East Ireland]

Just go with that, describe it yourself. You'll do a better job seeing it in your own head.

The room was black, charred, and there was no ceiling. Thunder struck certain places on the ground, and a priest had been tied to a pole opposite the main entrance. A giant rabbit sat next to the door, wearing a bow tie.

[Mavorpen]

Just go with that, describe it yourself. You'll do a better job seeing it in your own head.

I will now imagine it as the Emperor's throne room on the Death Star.

"Yes, yes. Let the love flow through you."

[Nationstatelandsville]

In a culture that glorifies war and violence and, as you have said many, many times, doesn't care about dying because they wake up in the same world?

Let me start this way.

Nat, you're an American. How much do you want to join the military or go to church?

Not at all, but my basic philosophy is the end result of everyone around me.

And if everyone around him is buying into Azazel's propaganda, his attitude should be affected.

I don't really mind the idea, I just don't find it believable.

Crowley's backstory, on the other hand, annoys me a great deal.

[Olthar]

And? People change, often drastically, over time, especially after traumatic events. A guy as old as Crowley has probably had many such events, and even if he only somewhat changed after each one, those changed pile up.

If you take 1,000 and add 1 to it, you won't get much of a change, but do it enough times, and that number will double or triple or more.

People change, yes, but not that drastically.

If Crowley likes ice cream in 1400, he'll probably like ice cream in 2020. If Crowley is a vaguely nerdy wizard in 1400, no matter how many social skills he acquires or perversions he develops, he'll still be vaguely nerdy.

I had a friend who was vaguely nerdy in fourth grade become a sports jock in seventh grade.

[Nationstatelandsville]

People change, yes, but not that drastically.

If Crowley likes ice cream in 1400, he'll probably like ice cream in 2020. If Crowley is a vaguely nerdy wizard in 1400, no matter how many social skills he acquires or perversions he develops, he'll still be vaguely nerdy.

I had a friend who was vaguely nerdy in fourth grade become a sports jock in seventh grade.

He was a kid. Kids change spontaneously - they really don't have any idea who they are.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

People change, yes, but not that drastically.

If Crowley likes ice cream in 1400, he'll probably like ice cream in 2020. If Crowley is a vaguely nerdy wizard in 1400, no matter how many social skills he acquires or perversions he develops, he'll still be vaguely nerdy.

I had a friend who was vaguely nerdy in fourth grade become a sports jock in seventh grade.

And Crowley does demonstrate intelligence at times, though it usually gets missed- he figured out how to read Ancient hieroglyphics in around three minutes and I was going to include a few scenes with him mentioning to Daisuke on how to improve his robots, but we know what happened there.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

I kinda got to agree with NEI and Nat on this one. James has seen some shit, but deep down he's still the same as he was at 18, or at 9.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I had a friend who was vaguely nerdy in fourth grade become a sports jock in seventh grade.

He was a kid. Kids change spontaneously - they really don't have any idea who they are.

Crowley was young when he had those scenes in the oneshots.

Now he's very old and been through a lot of deaths and war.

[Nationstatelandsville]

He was a kid. Kids change spontaneously - they really don't have any idea who they are.

Crowley was young when he had those scenes in the oneshots.

Now he's very old and been through a lot of deaths and war.

"I'm suffering from PTSD.

Better rape me some minors!"

[Olthar]

I had a friend who was vaguely nerdy in fourth grade become a sports jock in seventh grade.

He was a kid. Kids change spontaneously - they really don't have any idea who they are.

And every adult clearly knows exactly who they are the minute they hit 18, correct?

How about another example: My mom used to be a biologist working in research in a medical center. Now she does acupuncture and believes in the healing power of crystals.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Crowley was young when he had those scenes in the oneshots.

Now he's very old and been through a lot of deaths and war.

"I'm suffering from PTSD.

Better rape me some minors!"

Pretty much, yes. His morals and worldview started degrading and just kept going.

[Mavorpen]

He was a kid. Kids change spontaneously - they really don't have any idea who they are.

And every adult clearly knows exactly who they are the minute they hit 18, correct?

How about another example: My mom used to be a biologist working in research in a medical center. Now she does acupuncture and believes in the healing power of crystals.

Does she pronounce it "Chris-stall"?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Regardless, I'll throw in a scene showing him at the "in-between" stage of sorts.

[Nationstatelandsville]

He was a kid. Kids change spontaneously - they really don't have any idea who they are.

And every adult clearly knows exactly who they are the minute they hit 18, correct?

How about another example: My mom used to be a biologist working in research in a medical center. Now she does acupuncture and believes in the healing power of crystals.

No, but a man who seems to have been around 30, at least, should know at this point whether he's a creepy pervert by now.

"I'm suffering from PTSD.

Better rape me some minors!"

Pretty much, yes. His morals and worldview started degrading and just kept going.

I can understand becoming cynical and immoral, but suddenly developing weird fetishes makes no sense.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter, and none of this debate will convince me otherwise, so... yeah. Moving onto Bio homework.