A Very Cold War (OOC/Sign-Ups/Open)

[Cymrea]

I don't get it. What's with all the alt-histories pre-dating the end of WWII?

It states very clearly in the OP that history is unchanged up to the end of WWII and yet folks keep proposing apps with alternate histories pre-dating 1945 as though it were not there in plain text for all to read.

"Point of No-Return
Everything up to the end of WW2 happened, which was in 1945. Everything up to 1945 happened, but whatever happened after that can be altered to your liking."

This is baffling to me. Like, why is there even a question of a Confederate States of America when the Civil War had been for 80 years prior to the end of WWII? There is zero potential for a Confederate America in the 1983 Reagan Administration, let alone any time after the start of the Cold War, the space race, the Moscow Olympics, and all the red-white-and-blue-blooded All-American America-ness.

And just for clarity, this tone of this post isn't intended to be as remotely as ranty as it probably sounds.

[New Jordslag]

Sure I see no problem with this, as long as its purely economic alliance. However, there is an Indo-China country and leave Thailand out as well. The rest go ahead.

You sure about Thailand? It hasn't been claimed by Indo-China, and was hoping it would act as a hot zone for some RP with Indo-China. And yes, mostly just Japan giving defence guarantees to capitalist countries so they can't just be outright annexed. I would RP them minimally, mostly just reactions and even then it might from Japan's POV.

I approve. That would be possible. Japan did, in fact, heal very quickly from it's WW2 wounds.

FOR GLORIOUS OCEANIA!!!!!

That alliance would include Oceania, right?

Absolutely! Aus/NZ would greatly bolster our economic/military capability.

Coolcool.

I would provide Defense. My Economy is in Shambles, so i'd have to rely on you for that.

[New Jordslag]

I don't get it. What's with all the alt-histories pre-dating the end of WWII?

It states very clearly in the OP that history is unchanged up to the end of WWII and yet folks keep proposing apps with alternate histories pre-dating 1945 as though it were not there in plain text for all to read.

"Point of No-Return
Everything up to the end of WW2 happened, which was in 1945. Everything up to 1945 happened, but whatever happened after that can be altered to your liking."

This is baffling to me. Like, why is there even a question of a Confederate States of America when the Civil War had been for 80 years prior to the end of WWII? There is zero potential for a Confederate America in the 1983 Reagan Administration, let alone any time after the start of the Cold War, the space race, the Moscow Olympics, and all the red-white-and-blue-blooded All-American America-ness.

And just for clarity, this tone of this post isn't intended to be as remotely as ranty as it probably sounds.

Same old Cym. How ya doing?

[Cymrea]

Same old Cym. How ya doing?

Doing good. Still want answers to those questions.

[New Jordslag]

Same old Cym. How ya doing?

Doing good. Still want answers to those questions.

Yeah.

This is why I protested the Roman Empire app.

[Finland SSR]

I don't get it. What's with all the alt-histories pre-dating the end of WWII?

It states very clearly in the OP that history is unchanged up to the end of WWII and yet folks keep proposing apps with alternate histories pre-dating 1945 as though it were not there in plain text for all to read.

"Point of No-Return
Everything up to the end of WW2 happened, which was in 1945. Everything up to 1945 happened, but whatever happened after that can be altered to your liking."

This is baffling to me. Like, why is there even a question of a Confederate States of America when the Civil War had been for 80 years prior to the end of WWII? There is zero potential for a Confederate America in the 1983 Reagan Administration, let alone any time after the start of the Cold War, the space race, the Moscow Olympics, and all the red-white-and-blue-blooded All-American America-ness.

And just for clarity, this tone of this post isn't intended to be as remotely as ranty as it probably sounds.

I know I am not one of those people.
My POD is 1953.

[New Jordslag]

I don't get it. What's with all the alt-histories pre-dating the end of WWII?

It states very clearly in the OP that history is unchanged up to the end of WWII and yet folks keep proposing apps with alternate histories pre-dating 1945 as though it were not there in plain text for all to read.

"Point of No-Return
Everything up to the end of WW2 happened, which was in 1945. Everything up to 1945 happened, but whatever happened after that can be altered to your liking."

This is baffling to me. Like, why is there even a question of a Confederate States of America when the Civil War had been for 80 years prior to the end of WWII? There is zero potential for a Confederate America in the 1983 Reagan Administration, let alone any time after the start of the Cold War, the space race, the Moscow Olympics, and all the red-white-and-blue-blooded All-American America-ness.

And just for clarity, this tone of this post isn't intended to be as remotely as ranty as it probably sounds.

I know I am not one of those people.
My POD is 1953.

Mine is 1964.

All hail Oceania.

[Senkaku]

This is Qinae's main account.

NS Name: Senkaku
Nation Name: Empire of the Great Qing
Head of State: the Dàhuīfù Emperor (Aisin-Gioro Puren)
Head of Government: Prime Minister Liu Zhen
Flag: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... g1.svg.png
Claims: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 29.svg.png
Capital City: Beijing

Government Form: Semi-constitutional monarchy
Ideology: An idiosyncratic blend of traditional neo-Confucian traditionalism, agrarianism, socialism/state capitalism, bright green environmentalism, and Chinese nationalism.
Foreign Policy: China gets along poorly with both America and Russia- it has fought several wars with Russia, but its domestic policies are too left-leaning for American tastes. However, overall, China leans towards the West, as a stable democracy with a history of poor relations with the USSR.
Domestic Policy: China runs a highly centralized government that controls much of everyday life. The country does allow free enterprise, but the state also controls a number of major corporations.
Civil Freedoms /10: 7/10
Political Freedoms /10: 8/10
Economic Freedoms /10: 9/10

Military Size: ~3,000,000
Military Description: Chinese soldiers are equipped with somewhat outdated weapons, mostly Soviet in origin. Chinese doctrine is also somewhat dated, but mainly focuses on defending the homeland against invaders. China has a small nuclear arsenal.
Strengths and Weaknesses: The Chinese military is very good at large, combined-arms operations, but due to the highly centralized command structure can be slow to make decisions and can have trouble micromanaging tactics for small units across a broad front.
Law Enforcement: The Chinese police force is basically a citizen militia where people serve for four years, and receive some basic training and equipment. It is reasonably effective and has a core force of professional detectives and officers, and can also serve as reserve for the military. It is also backed up by the far more effective Ministry of Domestic Tranquility, the secret police force.
Intelligence agencies(Domestic and Foreign): The Ministry of Domestic Tranquility heads up domestic operations, and its fourth department is in charge of foreign intelligence.


Description of Your Nation's Economy: umm... large? China has a fairly large industrial base (not as big as it was IRL but still), and is a major food producer.
Description of Your Nation's Government:
China is a constitutional monarchy with a bicameral legislature, the Golden House being the upper house of Parliament and the National People's Congress being the lower house. However, the emperor still holds an inordinate amount of power, and is revered by the populace.
History of your Nation:
The Soviet invasion of Manchuria forever altered China and made it what it is today. Moscow decided that Mao's Communists were growing too independent- as such, the Chinese Communists were also attacked by the invading Soviet army. This seriously weakened the Communists and also slowed the Soviet advance. During this time, the Kangde Emperor abdicated and fled to Japan, surrendering to the Americans. His half-brother, Puren, however, remained behind and took the throne as the Jīnsèdebǎohù Emperor, pledging to fight off the Soviets and save Manchukuo. Puren also made an effort to improve the government's relations with the people, and became very popular in Changchun (the capital) and much of eastern Manchuria. This popularity gained him more support against the Soviets and led to a peace treaty in early 1946 with Manchukuo ceding all of Heilongjiang to the Soviet Union. Around this time, Puren also made a deal with the Communists, following Mao's sudden death due to pneumonia in late 1945. In return for policy concessions and positions in the government, the Communists would give their loyalty to the new monarch and help him launch a campaign of restoration. In late 1947, he changed his regnal name to Dàhuīfù (Great Restorer), proclaimed the revival of the Qing dynasty, and began, with the Communists' help, a campaign to reconquer China from the Republic. This campaign would drag on for more than ten years, culminating in the amphibious invasion of Taiwan by more than a thousand ships of every type and the final collapse of the Republic of China. During this time, Puren also, with the help of his advisers and the Communists, instituted some democratic elements in the areas under his control and launched progressive social programs. These made the Emperor extremely popular. Following Taiwan's conquest in 1957, the Emperor ordered an invasion of Tibet, successfully conquering the plateau in just a few months. Several sharp and very bloody border wars that ran on and off until 1960 (including one major war from 1958 to 1959 against the Soviets) established China's dominance over all of the Qing dynasty's former lands. At this point, the Emperor began to loosen up the country, which had previously been on a constant footing of total war. Despite continuing Republican insurrections in Xinjiang and on Taiwan, real democracy was steadily introduced throughout the 60s, and China has steadily healed and become peaceful once again in the past few decades. The country is now steadily ascending, and as China increasingly becomes a rival to the USSR and America, it is beginning to build up a new third bloc of unaligned nations or nations that have close ties with Beijing.
Population of entire nation: ~1.5 billion

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[Feichland]

NS Name: Feichland
Nation Name:
Formal: The Third French Empire
Informal: France
Head of State: Napoleon Bonaparte IV
Head of Government: Napoleon Bonaparte IV
Flag:

Claims:

Capital City: Paris

Government Form: Absolute Monarchy
Ideology: Nationalism, border-line Fascism
Foreign Policy: France has remained mostly isolated. After the French Revolution of 1973, Napoleon IV cut most ties with the West and the East. Napoleon wishes to keep France neutral in any further wars. He knows the people of France don't want another Great War, or World War 2. Though France continues to trade with the East and West, they have no official "side".
Domestic Policy: The Empire is run by the Emperor with help from the Council. The Emperor alone holds power, not even the council may issue an order overriding his. The Imperial Legislature, a body of 100 elected French citizens, submits laws to the Council, who the accepts/rejects the law. If it's accepted, they pass it on to the Emperor. If the Emperor signs it, the law is put into place and enforced. The IL can also request that a law be removed. It goes through the same process of acceptance/rejection as the implementation of a law.
Civil Freedoms /10: 8/10
Political Freedoms /10: 1/10
Economic Freedoms /10: 8/10

Military Size:
Total: 850,000
Active: 150,000
Reserve: 700,000
Military Description: (ie, quality of equipment, doctrine, etc.)
Strengths and Weaknesses: The French Military is one of the most well trained forces in the world. The Army and Air Force can cover the borders, and the navy the coasts, but only enough for that. They are in small numbers, but make up for that in equipment and training. Having created many designs of easily built and reliable firearms, the troops are very well equipped. All men and woman who want to join the military must go through 4 years of intense training, then 4 years of foreign service, and finally 1 year of their branches' officer academy. This 9 year training is why the French military is so small. Many fail to get through even 1 year of training, or don't shape up their attitude/health quickly enough. But, in return for this, all branches of the FAF (French Armed Forces) are experts in their task. Also due to the 1 year officer training, most servicemen and women can transition into a commanding role much more smoothly than others.

Law Enforcement: The FPF (French Police Force) keeps a tight hold over the country. Under the command of General Pierre Rein, they are quite militarized. They have access to military-grade shotguns and assault rifles from the 50's and late 60's. They are in large numbers, allowing them to cover the entire country with mostly well-trained officers. Their primary job is to ensure all citizens are kept safe from lawbreakers, and to catch and prosecute said lawbreakers. They are also used to dispel protests and riots.

Intelligence agencies(Domestic and Foreign): The IFSN (International French Spy Network) mostly spies on the military activity of France's neighbors, such as Germany, Spain, Italy, and the United Kingdom. The IFSN also spies on the political activities of the USSR, the US, and the United Kingdom. The IFSN is highly trained, though in small numbers. They are excellent coders and decoders, and have cracked many codes from the Soviets and Americans. Though they lack much direction, as they are simply given vague points of interest within a country, which makes their jobs harder.

The DFSN (Domestic French Spy Network) keeps tabs on nearly everything within the government, state, and population. They spy mainly on the rival political parties within France (Communists, Fascists, Liberals, etc.), and helps keep them in check. The DFSN is moderately trained, but has vast numbers. They use assassination, bribe, and intimidation to ensure troublesome people are kept in line. They also watch foreign ambassadors and immigrants in high detail. They are given specific jobs and directions. A DFSN agent in Paris would not have the same job as one in Metz, and vice-versa. They also watch government staff and agents closely, as to prevent corruption and traitorous thoughts.

Description of Your Nation's Economy: The French economy is heavily based on it's industries. It's largest ones are telecommunications, ship building, textiles, chemicals, and automobiles. France also has a large farming industry in the south. All of this ensures France's treasury is filled with money. The people also enjoy good economic freedoms, allowing them to buy whatever they want, mostly whenever they want. The government allows the free market to take it's course. There is little to no intervention by the government or state in the economy.

Description of Your Nation's Government: The Third French Empire is an Absolute Monarchy, ruled by the Emperor. The Emperor rules with absolute authority, and only takes advice and not commands. The Council is made up of 20 members, each who advise the Emperor on various things (military, farming, navy, etc.). The Council can give orders to those below it, but their orders are superseded by the Emperors' orders. The people are bombarded with pro-Empire propaganda, and anti-Republic propaganda. The approval rating of the government is 72%, and the propaganda has certainly helped it.

History of your Nation: The Republic before the 1973 Revolution stayed relatively peaceful. Though they had some bumps in the road with their reconstruction effort, by the 60's and early 70's, the nation had been fully rebuilt. But, at the same time a man claimed he was the great-great-great-great grandson of Napoleon Bonaparte I. Though the government cared little about him, he gained support. By the 1972 election, nearly 35% of the population voted for him. The various socialist and liberal parties plotted together, and rigged the elections. Napoleon IV lost by a landslide, but various ballot-counters later said that they had been bribed to rig the vote. This caused massive uproar, and by February of 1973, Napoleon Bonaparte IV had a 67% approval rating among the people. Fed up with the corruption and general stupidity of the government, he and nearly 20,000 people marched on Paris, armed with stolen weapons from looted stockpiles. He marched through the Arc de Triomphe on the 12 of February, 1973. The government fled Paris on the 13, and Paris was lost by the 14. All over the country, the songs of the French Revolution were sung on the streets, as revolutionary fervor grew. By the 20 of February, nearly 500,000 people were revolting against the government. By March, the Republic fell, and the Third French Empire was proclaimed at the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles. It was to be ruled by Napoleon Bonaparte the IV with unlimited power.

By 1975, any damages had been repaired, and the leaders of the republic were charged with corruption and either execute, jailed, or deported. Legislative change sweeped the country as new laws were put in place, and old ones thrown out. On December 8, 1979, Napoleon Bonaparte IV declared himself Emperor for life of France and Corsica. Independence was given to all colonial possessions of France upon the declaration, and any soldiers and French citizens were told the come back to the mainland. To ensure no more rebellions occurred during his reign, he gave the people good civil and economic liberties. All parties were banned, and instead people were encouraged to keep politics out of their daily lives. By 1983, the people of France enjoy the right to buy what they want, and to have a fair justice system. They are well defended, and they love the prosperity of the Empire.
Population of entire nation: 53, 672, 450 (Mainland+Corsica)

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[Finland SSR]

Nobody wants to accept the Soviets?

[Ptolemais]

This is Qinae's main account.

NS Name: Senkaku
Nation Name: Empire of the Great Qing
Head of State: the Dàhuīfù Emperor (Aisin-Gioro Puren)
Head of Government: Prime Minister Liu Zhen
Flag: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... g1.svg.png
Claims: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 29.svg.png
Capital City: Beijing

Government Form: Semi-constitutional monarchy
Ideology: A blend of traditional neo-Confucian traditionalism, agrarianism, bright green environmentalism, and Chinese nationalism
Foreign Policy: China gets along poorly with both America and Russia- it has fought several wars with Russia, but its domestic policies are too left-leaning for American tastes. However, overall, China leans towards the West, as a stable democracy with a history of poor relations with the USSR.
Domestic Policy: China runs a highly centralized government that controls much of everyday life. The country does allow free enterprise, but the state also controls a number of major corporations.
Civil Freedoms /10: 7/10
Political Freedoms /10: 8/10
Economic Freedoms /10: 9/10

Military Size: ~3,000,000
Military Description: Chinese soldiers are equipped with somewhat outdated weapons, mostly Soviet in origin. Chinese doctrine is also somewhat dated, but mainly focuses on defending the homeland against invaders. China has a small nuclear arsenal.
Strengths and Weaknesses: The Chinese military is very good at large, combined-arms operations, but due to the highly centralized command structure can be slow to make decisions and can have trouble micromanaging tactics for small units across a broad front.
Law Enforcement: The Chinese police force is basically a citizen militia where people serve for four years, and receive some basic training and equipment. It is reasonably effective and has a core force of professional detectives and officers, and can also serve as reserve for the military. It is also backed up by the far more effective Ministry of Domestic Tranquility, the secret police force.
Intelligence agencies(Domestic and Foreign): The Ministry of Domestic Tranquility heads up domestic operations, and its fourth department is in charge of foreign intelligence.


Description of Your Nation's Economy: umm... large? China has a fairly large industrial base (not as big as it was IRL but still), and is a major food producer.
Description of Your Nation's Government:
China is a constitutional monarchy with a bicameral legislature, the Golden House being the upper house of Parliament and the National People's Congress being the lower house. However, the emperor still holds an inordinate amount of power, and is revered by the populace.
History of your Nation:
The Soviet invasion of Manchuria forever altered China and made it what it is today. Moscow decided that Mao's Communists were growing too independent- as such, the Chinese Communists were also attacked by the invading Soviet army. This seriously weakened the Communists and also slowed the Soviet advance. During this time, the Kangde Emperor abdicated and fled to Japan, surrendering to the Americans. His half-brother, Puren, however, remained behind and took the throne as the Jīnsèdebǎohù Emperor, pledging to fight off the Soviets and save Manchukuo. Puren also made an effort to improve the government's relations with the people, and became very popular in Changchun (the capital) and much of eastern Manchuria. This popularity gained him more support against the Soviets and led to a peace treaty in early 1946 with Manchukuo ceding all of Heilongjiang to the Soviet Union. Around this time, Puren also made a deal with the Communists, following Mao's sudden death due to pneumonia in late 1945. In return for policy concessions and positions in the government, the Communists would give their loyalty to the new monarch and help him launch a campaign of restoration. In late 1947, he changed his regnal name to Dàhuīfù (Great Restorer), proclaimed the revival of the Qing dynasty, and began, with the Communists' help, a campaign to reconquer China from the Republic. This campaign would drag on for more than ten years, culminating in the amphibious invasion of Taiwan by more than a thousand ships of every type and the final collapse of the Republic of China. During this time, Puren also, with the help of his advisers and the Communists, instituted some democratic elements in the areas under his control and launched progressive social programs. These made the Emperor extremely popular. Following Taiwan's conquest in 1957, the Emperor ordered an invasion of Tibet, successfully conquering the plateau in just a few months. Several sharp and very bloody border wars that ran on and off until 1960 (including one major war from 1958 to 1959 against the Soviets) established China's dominance over all of the Qing dynasty's former lands. At this point, the Emperor began to loosen up the country, which had previously been on a constant footing of total war. Despite continuing Republican insurrections in Xinjiang and on Taiwan, real democracy was steadily introduced throughout the 60s, and China has steadily healed and become peaceful once again in the past few decades. The country is now steadily ascending, and as China increasingly becomes a rival to the USSR and America, it is beginning to build up a new third bloc of unaligned nations or nations that have close ties with Beijing.
Population of entire nation: ~1.5 billion

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Argh, you have to be kidding! Japan was supposed to lead the free states of East Asia against the evil Chinese commies!

Nobody wants to accept the Soviets?

A few of us are waiting, Bolovia probably hasn't gone through them yet.

[Bolovia]

I apologize been a rough day, I'm considering to reverse the " before WW2" issue as it is either complicating everything or making to many limitations. I will review the apps first thing tomorrow morning, I apologize once again.

[Bandwagon]

I apologize been a rough day, I'm considering to reverse the " before WW2" issue as it is either complicating everything or making to many limitations. I will review the apps first thing tomorrow morning, I apologize once again.

When will apps be up?

[Cymrea]

I apologize been a rough day, I'm considering to reverse the " before WW2" issue as it is either complicating everything or making to many limitations. I will review the apps first thing tomorrow morning, I apologize once again.

I sincerely hope you don't, for my part. Given how relatively late the United States got started as a nation, American history is subject to the most upheaval from everyone's alternate nipple-twisting of history.

In fact, if you do away with the "everything is the same to the end of WWII" stipulation, then I would propose an opportunity to submit fresh applications in the already established order of precedence. Yes, I totally benefit from that, but it preserves the queue, as it were.

[New Jordslag]

I apologize been a rough day, I'm considering to reverse the " before WW2" issue as it is either complicating everything or making to many limitations. I will review the apps first thing tomorrow morning, I apologize once again.

I sincerely hope you don't, for my part. Given how relatively late the United States got started as a nation, American history is subject to the most upheaval from everyone's alternate nipple-twisting of history.

In fact, if you do away with the "everything is the same to the end of WWII" stipulation, then I would propose an opportunity to submit fresh applications in the already established order of precedence. Yes, I totally benefit from that, but it preserves the queue, as it were.

Same here. If that Roman app was accepted, then we wouldn't be able to speak the English we know and love today in the RP. If the Gaullics took Gaul back, William wouldn't have control of Normandy, and therefore French wouldn't enter our language. And if Rome stayed alive with control of Portugal and Spain, our language wouldn't have Spanish words.

[Bolovia]

I apologize been a rough day, I'm considering to reverse the " before WW2" issue as it is either complicating everything or making to many limitations. I will review the apps first thing tomorrow morning, I apologize once again.

I sincerely hope you don't, for my part. Given how relatively late the United States got started as a nation, American history is subject to the most upheaval from everyone's alternate nipple-twisting of history.

In fact, if you do away with the "everything is the same to the end of WWII" stipulation, then I would propose an opportunity to submit fresh applications in the already established order of precedence. Yes, I totally benefit from that, but it preserves the queue, as it were.

Will everyone be ok with that? I wouldn't mind resubmitting fresh applications, everything can stay the same except for the History, everyone will have greater control of their history. I'll put it to a vote.

[Finland SSR]

I sincerely hope you don't, for my part. Given how relatively late the United States got started as a nation, American history is subject to the most upheaval from everyone's alternate nipple-twisting of history.

In fact, if you do away with the "everything is the same to the end of WWII" stipulation, then I would propose an opportunity to submit fresh applications in the already established order of precedence. Yes, I totally benefit from that, but it preserves the queue, as it were.

Will everyone be ok with that? I wouldn't mind resubmitting fresh applications, everything can stay the same except for the History, everyone will have greater control of their history. I'll put it to a vote.

I won't change my history anyway.

[Senkaku]

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Argh, you have to be kidding! Japan was supposed to lead the free states of East Asia against the evil Chinese commies!

Don't worry! The Chinese are kinda socialist-leaning, despite their poor relations with the USSR, and they're trying to build a third major bloc of unaligned nations.

Join, or become a snack....
Jk. I sense Thailand will become a major regional flashpoint, though- two left-leaning monarchies with socialist tendencies are right next to it, and Japan will be sticking its nose in as well, and I don't even know what India is going to be or do.

[New Jordslag]

Argh, you have to be kidding! Japan was supposed to lead the free states of East Asia against the evil Chinese commies!

Don't worry! The Chinese are kinda socialist-leaning, despite their poor relations with the USSR, and they're trying to build a third major bloc of unaligned nations.

Join, or become a snack....
Jk. I sense Thailand will become a major regional flashpoint, though- two left-leaning monarchies with socialist tendencies are right next to it, and Japan will be sticking its nose in as well, and I don't even know what India is going to be or do.

Thailand: Holy Land of Transgender people.

Anyway, Oceania is siding with Japan in this conflict over Thailand, so watch out.

[Senkaku]

Don't worry! The Chinese are kinda socialist-leaning, despite their poor relations with the USSR, and they're trying to build a third major bloc of unaligned nations.

Join, or become a snack....
Jk. I sense Thailand will become a major regional flashpoint, though- two left-leaning monarchies with socialist tendencies are right next to it, and Japan will be sticking its nose in as well, and I don't even know what India is going to be or do.

Thailand: Holy Land of Transgender people.

Anyway, Oceania is siding with Japan in this conflict over Thailand, so watch out.

I think some Grorious Restoration is going to be in order, then.

[New Jordslag]

Thailand: Holy Land of Transgender people.

Anyway, Oceania is siding with Japan in this conflict over Thailand, so watch out.

I think some Grorious Restoration is going to be in order, then.

If it was a Coalition of Asian states and Oceania vs. China and it's just-starting-out bloc, we would at the very least fight you into a stalemate.

Also, what the hell is a Grorious Restoration?

[Cymrea]

I think some Grorious Restoration is going to be in order, then.

If it was a Coalition of Asian states and Oceania vs. China and it's just-starting-out bloc, we would at the very least fight you into a stalemate.

Also, what the hell is a Grorious Restoration?

Glorious Restoration with a stereotype-Asian accent?

[New Jordslag]

If it was a Coalition of Asian states and Oceania vs. China and it's just-starting-out bloc, we would at the very least fight you into a stalemate.

Also, what the hell is a Grorious Restoration?

Glorious Restoration with a stereotype-Asian accent?

Good point.

Anyways, Oceania HAS had it's eye on China for a while...

If you join our Bloc, China, you can be one of the Top three leaders. China, Japan, and Oceania...

Pretty much a Pacific-Wide bloc.

Our advantages are, in turn:
Japan: Advanced tech, American love
China: Largest population in the world, huge industrial CAPACITY
Oceania: ...Crocodile Dundee?

[Cymrea]

Glorious Restoration with a stereotype-Asian accent?

Good point.

Anyways, Oceania HAS had it's eye on China for a while...

If you join our Bloc, China, you can be one of the Top three leaders. China, Japan, and Oceania...

Pretty much a Pacific-Wide bloc.

Our advantages are, in turn:
Japan: Advanced tech, American love
China: Largest population in the world, huge industrial CAPACITY
Oceania: ...Crocodile Dundee?

A China-Japan-Oceania bloc would own Australasia and fully half the Pacific. It would quite a formidable political alliance, I'd think.

[New Jordslag]

Good point.

Anyways, Oceania HAS had it's eye on China for a while...

If you join our Bloc, China, you can be one of the Top three leaders. China, Japan, and Oceania...

Pretty much a Pacific-Wide bloc.

Our advantages are, in turn:
Japan: Advanced tech, American love
China: Largest population in the world, huge industrial CAPACITY
Oceania: ...Crocodile Dundee?

A China-Japan-Oceania bloc would own Australasia and fully half the Pacific. It would quite a formidable political alliance, I'd think.

Most certainly equal to NATO or the Warsaw Pact.