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[Kisinger]

Kisinger:
I just, after having written a rather important part of my coming post, noticed that the message to Prussia in the fourth( your first) post is in the 3rd of march. This now sort of breaks the continuity of my post, having thought I'd be able to answer things in their thread order and thereby do so (roughly) chronologically. As such I'd appreciate it you move it earlier.
Personally I'd appreciate it somewhere between the 20th of February and 26th of January, but I admit that asking something so specific (and which I guess could possibly trouble your own plans) might be a stretch, so that's just something I'd appreciate.

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OP-guys we have a post from which ranges up to the 27th of march followed by 20th, 25th, and 23rd of Feburary, as well as one date-less post. It is not for me to determine, but from personal experience these things can get... problematic after too long.

Sorry, it was meant to be sent after the discussion, I just put the letters at the bottom of my post because I'm organized like that sorry again.

[The Jonathanian States]

Kisinger:
I just, after having written a rather important part of my coming post, noticed that the message to Prussia in the fourth( your first) post is in the 3rd of march. This now sort of breaks the continuity of my post, having thought I'd be able to answer things in their thread order and thereby do so (roughly) chronologically. As such I'd appreciate it you move it earlier.
Personally I'd appreciate it somewhere between the 20th of February and 26th of January, but I admit that asking something so specific (and which I guess could possibly trouble your own plans) might be a stretch, so that's just something I'd appreciate.

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OP-guys we have a post from which ranges up to the 27th of march followed by 20th, 25th, and 23rd of Feburary, as well as one date-less post. It is not for me to determine, but from personal experience these things can get... problematic after too long.

Sorry, it was meant to be sent after the discussion, I just put the letters at the bottom of my post because I'm organized like that sorry again.

Ah, it had no date so I assumed it'd be in the date just above it.
Thanks for the clarification and sorry for possibly having overreacted a bit.

[Kisinger]

Sorry, it was meant to be sent after the discussion, I just put the letters at the bottom of my post because I'm organized like that sorry again.

Ah, it had no date so I assumed it'd be in the date just above it.
Thanks for the clarification and sorry for possibly having overreacted a bit.

No problem and it's fine. I just don't know what I should date my current post

[Liecthenbourg]

Ah, it had no date so I assumed it'd be in the date just above it.
Thanks for the clarification and sorry for possibly having overreacted a bit.

No problem and it's fine. I just don't know what I should date my current post

I think we should try to get a concrete date for all posts to start from again.

[The Jonathanian States]

No problem and it's fine. I just don't know what I should date my current post

I think we should try to get a concrete date for all posts to start from again.

Seconded.

[Kisinger]

I think we should try to get a concrete date for all posts to start from again.

Seconded.

Thirded

[Senkaku]

As an interim policy, let's not have any one post jump ahead more than two weeks, unless you pre-plan it for a specific reason here with everyone. I'll talk with Columbia, but I think that's a safe rule.

[Kisinger]

As an interim policy, let's not have any one post jump ahead more than two weeks, unless you pre-plan it for a specific reason here with everyone. I'll talk with Columbia, but I think that's a safe rule.

I usually only go a week ahead during a post so I think it's safe

[The Jonathanian States]

As an interim policy, let's not have any one post jump ahead more than two weeks, unless you pre-plan it for a specific reason here with everyone. I'll talk with Columbia, but I think that's a safe rule.

I think I might have to go up to a month, though it'll technically be a month backwards rather than forwards, commenting on something in January and ending with stuff in mid-late February.

[Empire of Gibraltar]

I finally finished my first IC,

@Elepsis, I just had a diplomat arrive in Cairo.

[Conwy-Shire]

also @ Elepsis
It's kinda obvious you copy/pasted some/much of that second post from the 'Era of the Enlightened' IC - which in itself i'm not against, but you seem to have included Tabriz within your Empire - or are you just reminiscent of your days as the Persians

[Elepis]

also @ Elepsis
It's kinda obvious you copy/pasted some/much of that second post from the 'Era of the Enlightened' IC - which in itself i'm not against, but you seem to have included Tabriz within your Empire - or are you just reminiscent of your days as the Persians

I did, guilty, I had NO IDEA what to post and needed to reply to a letter, so hay presto, old post

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

So, anything I need to look oer (I shall look up apps shortly).

*@ Krys, I don't think you actually have aragon in aragon ;U;

[Elepis]

I finally finished my first IC,

@Elepsis, I just had a diplomat arrive in Cairo.

Okay Dockay

[Liecthenbourg]

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So, anything I need to look oer (I shall look up apps shortly).

*@ Krys, I don't think you actually have aragon in aragon ;U;

Look at my second post and tell me how pretty I am, Columbia.

[Elepis]

(Image)

So, anything I need to look oer (I shall look up apps shortly).

*@ Krys, I don't think you actually have aragon in aragon ;U;

Look at my second post and tell me how pretty I am, Columbia.

It was a very good post

reminded my of the Young Victoria film

[The Jonathanian States]

(Image)

So, anything I need to look oer (I shall look up apps shortly).

*@ Krys, I don't think you actually have aragon in aragon ;U;

There's this, I guess:

As an interim policy, let's not have any one post jump ahead more than two weeks, unless you pre-plan it for a specific reason here with everyone. I'll talk with Columbia, but I think that's a safe rule.

Which came in response to:

OP-guys we have a post from which ranges up to the 27th of march followed by 20th, 25th, and 23rd of Feburary, as well as one date-less post. It is not for me to determine, but from personal experience these things can get... problematic after too long.

I think we should try to get a concrete date for all posts to start from again.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Hmmm, I shall look over the IC posts for dates, give a rough number to begin the two weeks rule from

*Edit: March First

@Liec, you are beautiful and amazing ;U;

[Conwy-Shire]

I finally finished my first IC,

@Elepsis, I just had a diplomat arrive in Cairo.

Okay Dockay

my missive from January should also be there

[The Jonathanian States]

Hmmm, I shall look over the IC posts for dates, give a rough number to begin the two weeks rule from

*Edit: March First

@Liec, you are beautiful and amazing ;U;

On that:

As an interim policy, let's not have any one post jump ahead more than two weeks, unless you pre-plan it for a specific reason here with everyone. I'll talk with Columbia, but I think that's a safe rule.

I think I might have to go up to a month, though it'll technically be a month backwards rather than forwards, commenting on something in January and ending with stuff in mid-late February.

So I wouldn't actually be going ahead, just filling up on stuff that sort of jumped backwards.

(Image)

So, anything I need to look oer (I shall look up apps shortly).

*@ Krys, I don't think you actually have aragon in aragon ;U;

Look at my second post and tell me how pretty I am, Columbia.

You are, Liecth, you are.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

still waiting on france to post so i can

[Western Pacific Territories]

Am I accepted?

[Liecthenbourg]

Hmmm, I shall look over the IC posts for dates, give a rough number to begin the two weeks rule from

*Edit: March First

@Liec, you are beautiful and amazing ;U;

So the next post begins on March first?

Fine with me.

Am I accepted?

Give link to app plz, or post it again.

still waiting on france to post so i can

Generally France has to end up waiting for the Yanks.

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE.

Jk Glit, bby, <3

You are, Liecth, you are.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Application

Name: Het Grand Koninkrijk België. (The Grand Kingdom of Belgium.)
Symbols:

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Claims: Belgium.
Power: Secondary Power currently.

Government Structure: Constitutional Monarchy. Each nobleman (maximum number allowed is 80.) in Belgium (not including the king) is in a council called the "Grote Raad.", or High Council. Each member of the council votes on a decision if the monarch is confused, unable to make a decision, or unable to make a decision due to medical reasons or if a monarch isn't coronated yet. If at least more than half the council votes one way, the voting is over. Of course, the monarch can however, overrule the decision at any time for any reason.
Ideology/Policy: Merchantilism.
Leaders: Leopold I, Grand Ruler of Belgium, Protector of Brussels, and Protector of the Belgan peoples.
Capital City: Brussels.

Population: 4,154,100.
Primary Ethnic Group: Dutch, French.
Minority Ethnic Groups: German.
Description of Ethnicity: The nation is technically Dutch.
Language: French.
Religion: Catholic Christianity.

Foreign Relations: Generally neutral or friendly, but despises France and the Netherlands.
Military Information: Mostly based off the Netherlands military, but general strategy is to use mass cavalry groups to break lines in the center of a group of enemy troops, and moving infantry to plug the gaps.
Army Size: 132,190.
Navy Size: 5 Frigates, 3 Galleons. The nation is 5 years old, so there isn't much of a navy yet.

Economic Policy: The policy is to direct as much trade as possible to England using various tactics.
Economic Situation: The nation doesn't have the best economy, but it is a rather industrialized nation. However, sea trade is a large part of the economy.
Infrastructure: Infrastructure is generally like that of Europe. However, the roads are cobbled unless the road goes through the most desolate areas.
Imports & Exports:
Imports: Silk, Spices, and various amounts of gold from Asia.
Exports: Grain, Wood, and (EDIT: Why did I put stone here? Why?) Fish..
Currency: Gini.

History: IRL history leading up to now, however, Belgium was freed about two months earlier than it was IRL, and rather than a constitutional monarchy, Leopold chose to let the nobles have a council to talk about issues.
Miscellaneous: We're going to basically push a claim on the Netherlands whenever possible, and if any small countries ripe for conquest (e.x. A small kingdom with a weak military with some small allies or none at all.) are available, we will conquer them. Ideally, we'd like to colonize much of the Pacific. IRL Belgium was only recognized in 1839, but in this history it was recognized a year after independence.
RP Example: Upcoming World.
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[Liecthenbourg]

Application

Name: Foreign: The United Emirates of Aden - Preferred: al-Yaman - Local: Alyaman - Full: Almuttahidat Al'iimarat Alyamanīyah
Symbols: Flag
Claims: 85
Power: Vassal State - Uncivilised

Government Structure: Split into seven Emirates, each extremely autonomous and only following the guidance of the ruling Imam as a sort of guideline. The Emirates are:
1- Emirate of Aden (Traditionally holds the Imamate) - Held by the Qasimid Dynasty
2- Emirate of Sanaa- Held by the Hamidid Dynasty
3- Emirate of Dhala - Held by the Amirid Dynasty
4- Emirate of Shihr and Mukalla - Held by the Quiati Dynasty
5- Emirate of Seiyun - Held by the Kathirid Dynasty
6- Emirate of Qishn - Held by the Afrarid Dynasty
7- Emirate of Socotra - Held by the Afrarid Dynasty
Ideology/Policy:
Leaders: Emir of Aden and Imam of the Zaydis: Al-Mansur Ali II (Full name: Al-Mansur Ali bin Abdallah bin Ahmad bin Ali bin Abbas al-Qasimi)
Emir of Sanaa: Yahya Muhammad Hamid ed-Din
Emir of Dhala: Musa`id ibn al-Hasan al-`Amiri
Emir of Shihr and Mukalla: Abdullah bin Omer Al Quaiti
Emir of Seiyun: Ghalib ibn Muhsin al-Kathir
Emir of Qishn: Ahmad ibn Sa`d Afrar al-Mahri
Emir of Socotra: Ahmad ibn Sa`d Afrar al-Mahri (same as above)
Capital City: Aden

Population: 1.5 Million (A guess, from crunching down a bit on populstats 1900 figures)
Primary Ethnic Group: Qahtanian Arabs
Minority Ethnic Groups: Adnanite Arabs, Yemenite Jews, Afro-Arabs, Yemenite Persians
Description of Ethnicity: The difference between Qahtanian and Adnanite Arabs is miniscule, being only a point of pride for those obsessed with bloodlines and 'true Arabs'. The Yemenite Jews are a large and generally well treated minority. Afro-Arabs have been immigrating to Yemen for several hundred years, while Yemenite Persians are a mix of Persians and Yemeni Arabs brought about by the 'Persianisation' of Islam by the Abbasids.
Language: Arabic
Religion: The majority religion is Shia Islam, with a heavy percentage of the population following the Zaidi sect. There is also a large population of Sunni Muslims who are accepted (due to the Mamluk Caliphate interference) but unwelcome. Settlements of Christians and Jews also exist, protected under law as Dhimmi's.

Foreign Relations: Foreign policy is handled by the Mamluks, and is therefore identical. If Yemen (somehow) becomes independent I'll update this.
Military Information: The army is a complicated business, in that it is technically six separate armies that merges into one national force.
Army Size: The Imam's Guard (Alzydi al'imam alharas) - 2500 Zaidi Fanatics, relatively well trained, considered the 'elite' of the Yemeni army.

Army of Alyaman - 22,500 men, relatively poorly trained and equipped, though Aden and Sanaa boast the better troops.
-Aden Brigade - 5,625
-Sanaa Brigade - 5,625
-Dhala Brigade - 3,750
-Shihr and Mukalla Brigade - 1,875
-Seiyun Brigade - 1,875
-Qishn and Socotra Brigade - 3,750

Navy Size:

Alyaman Navy - Out of date, understaffed, mainly used to combat pirates.
-Aden Flotilla
--1 Ship of the Line (Victory of the Prophet)
--3 Frigates
--11 Smaller Warships
-Socotran Flotilla
--6 Frigates
--14 Smaller Warships

Economic Policy: Each Emir follows his own policy, but they all boil down to trade with attempts to push trade through their capital cities to varying degrees of success. Industrialisation has been slow in richer areas such as Aden and Sanaa, and non-existent in poorer areas, such as northern Yemen and Qishn.
Economic Situation: The Emirates of Aden and Sanaa are relatively rich, due to wealth flowing from the Red Sea, though the eastern and northern areas of Yemen remain poorer and held back by an adherence to old caste systems and distrust of foreigners.
Infrastructure: The cities of Aden and Sanaa are relatively built up, with foreigners investments helping to establish early factories and set up universities. The east remains a remnant of an older time, though the capital cities of the Emirates tend to be wealthier and possess more infrastructure than the surrounding areas.
Imports & Exports: Exports: Coffee, dried and salted fish
Imports: Food and live animals, machinery and equipment (Factories).
Currency: Yemeni rial

History: Pre-1454 - Normal Yemen History
1454-1620: The Tahiride Dynasty rules Yemen, though they are constantly plagued by attacks by Zaidi Imams and Arabic tribes who refuse to conform to their rule. A Mamluk trader is murdered in 1619 and relations with the nearby and powerful Mamluks, who have been clamouring for an excuse to invade, break down
1620-1627: The Tahiride Sultan is overthrown after a long and protracted war and is betrayed by the Zaidi tribesmen he fled to. His cousin strikes a deal with the Mamluks, control over Yemen in return for vassalship. Yemen surrenders in 1627 and is converted into an Emirate, the new emir is forced to convert to Sunni Islam as a stipulation of the treaty.
1627-1640: The Tahiride Emir, Ali al-Dduef ibn Abdullah faces revolt from his former subjects and is unable to rule the province effectively. The Mamluks refuse to give him aid, citing his inability to rule as punishment from God, though in reality they are agitated over the lack of reparations being repaid. The Zaidi Imams declare war against the Emir, joined by the Shi'ite populace, while the Sunni minority back Ali. The Zaidi are unorganised and unable to defeat Ali, despite his weakened position. The reigning Imam of the Zaidi is killed in an ambush, and his successor, Al-Mu'ayyad Muhammad of the Qasimid family, was able to turn their fortunes around. Through careful planning and expert diplomacy he was able to convince the Mamluks to back him, despite his Shi'ite faith, and organise his army. Ali was quickly overthrown and Al-Mu'ayyad instituted sweeping reforms, giving the local rulers sovereignty as Emirs, while retaining suzerainty over them through his religious title of Imam.
1640-1832: Little happens of interest, several small scale civil wars occur between angry emirs, tribesmen revolt occasionally, Mamluks behead a particularly bad emir.
1832: Ali bin Abdallah comes to the throne, taking the name Al-Mansur Ali II. He is known as a particularly courageous general with a brilliant mind for reform, intent on turning Yemen into a glbal power. a decadent womaniser who seeks only the pleasures and luxuries of life without a care in the world for his duties.
Miscellaneous: Arabic names are difficult, I still don't really get them. Oh well.
RP Example: 1884: The Age that Never Was
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I think this can be given the greenlight.

I like the app, looks good, so accepted.

Application

Name: Het Grand Koninkrijk België. (The Grand Kingdom of Belgium.)
Symbols:

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Claims: Belgium.
Power: Secondary Power currently.

Government Structure: Constitutional Monarchy. Each nobleman (maximum number allowed is 80.) in Belgium (not including the king) is in a council called the "Grote Raad.", or High Council. Each member of the council votes on a decision if the monarch is confused, unable to make a decision, or unable to make a decision due to medical reasons or if a monarch isn't coronated yet. If at least more than half the council votes one way, the voting is over. Of course, the monarch can however, overrule the decision at any time for any reason.
Ideology/Policy: Merchantilism.
Leaders: Leopold I, Grand Ruler of Belgium, Protector of Brussels, and Protector of the Belgan peoples.
Capital City: Brussels.

Population: 4,154,100.
Primary Ethnic Group: Dutch, French.
Minority Ethnic Groups: German.
Description of Ethnicity: The nation is technically Dutch.
Language: French.
Religion: Catholic Christianity.

Foreign Relations: Generally neutral or friendly, but despises France and the Netherlands.
Military Information: Mostly based off the Netherlands military, but general strategy is to use mass cavalry groups to break lines in the center of a group of enemy troops, and moving infantry to plug the gaps.
Army Size: 132,190.
Navy Size: 5 Frigates, 3 Galleons. The nation is 5 years old, so there isn't much of a navy yet.

Economic Policy: The policy is to direct as much trade as possible to England using various tactics.
Economic Situation: The nation doesn't have the best economy, but it is a rather industrialized nation. However, sea trade is a large part of the economy.
Infrastructure: Infrastructure is generally like that of Europe. However, the roads are cobbled unless the road goes through the most desolate areas.
Imports & Exports:
Imports: Silk, Spices, and various amounts of gold from Asia.
Exports: Grain, Wood, and (EDIT: Why did I put stone here? Why?) Fish..
Currency: Gini.

History: IRL history leading up to now, however, Belgium was freed about two months earlier than it was IRL, and rather than a constitutional monarchy, Leopold chose to let the nobles have a council to talk about issues.
Miscellaneous: We're going to basically push a claim on the Netherlands whenever possible, and if any small countries ripe for conquest (e.x. A small kingdom with a weak military with some small allies or none at all.) are available, we will conquer them. Ideally, we'd like to colonize much of the Pacific. IRL Belgium was only recognized in 1839, but in this history it was recognized a year after independence.
RP Example: Upcoming World.
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Can I ask why its Dutch based if history went as it did IRL, that would mean it should be Walloon based and thus have its name be French, etc.