[NSGS] (WIP) Progressive Movement

[Skyviolia]

You didn't give many ideas to work with, to be honest.

I asked for your economic positions, having already known about the SLP's positions, and after hearing from your party, and your open admission of your party's probable unwillingness to work with us to compromise between social democracy and the neoliberalist nonsense you espouse, the choice wasn't hard.

With all due respect, your party is based off of western principles, which the NC fights against, I'm honestly surprised.

[Belmaria]

I asked for your economic positions, having already known about the SLP's positions, and after hearing from your party and your open admission of your party's probable unwillingness to work with us to compromise between social democracy and the neoliberalist nonsense you espouse, the choice wasn't hard.

err no, you asked if we were social democrats and we said no... because we obviously are not. We consistently showed a willingness to compromise and find a middle ground.

You did nothing of the sort. You couldn't even provide basic details about your policy positions when asked.

[Collatis]

err no, you asked if we were social democrats and we said no... because we obviously are not. We consistently showed a willingness to compromise and find a middle ground.

You did nothing of the sort. You couldn't even provide basic details about your policy positions when asked.

Considering you asked literally two questions before disappearing to talk about Canada with SovCan for a few hours, and then returned to ask one question, I don't think we are exactly the ones at fault for not getting very far. We can't answer questions that you don't ask.

But anyway I don't think it's very productive to fight over this in your thread. You have made your choice, and that is fine, just don't be misleading about what happened.

[Belmaria]

You did nothing of the sort. You couldn't even provide basic details about your policy positions when asked.

Considering you asked literally two questions before disappearing to talk about Canada with SovCan for a few hours, and then returned to ask one question, I don't think we are exactly the ones at fault for not getting very far. We can't answer questions that you don't ask.

But anyway I don't think it's very productive to fight over this in your thread. You have made your choice, and that is fine, just don't be misleading about what happened.

I had a more substantive conversation one-on-one with Freyhill before talking with you. I joined your channel to talk specifics, which I gave you multiple chances to do, and you couldn't.

[Progressive Movement]

Since I probably won't be online in 90 minutes, I'll go ahead and post the terms of the election and start it a bit early.

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[box][align=center][b][u]Leadership Ballot[/u][/b][/align]

[ ] Jason Xuang
[ ] Willie White
[ ] Thu Trân[/box]

We will use alternative vote as the electoral method. Voters should rank their preferences in ascending numerical order, from most preferable to least preferable. An example ballot for a hypothetical voter who prefers White, likes Xuang, and is okay with Trân is spoilered below. Voters may also cast just an "X" in the box next to their preferred candidate if they only wish to vote for one candidate. Voting will last 24 hours, as no one has objected.

Leadership Ballot

[2] Jason Xuang
[1] Willie White
[3] Thu Trân

[Belmaria]

Leadership Ballot

[X] Jason Xuang
[ ] Willie White
[ ] Thu Trân

[The Sarian]

Leadership Ballot

[ ] Jason Xuang
[1] Willie White
[2] Thu Trân

[Arachaea]

Leadership Ballot

[ 3 ] Jason Xuang
[ 2 ] Willie White
[ 1 ] Thu Trân

[Socialist Nordia]

Leadership Ballot

[ 2 ] Jason Xuang
[ 3 ] Willie White
[ 1 ] Thu Trân

[Progressive Movement]

Election Results

First Round: One for Xuang, One for White, and Two for Trân. As no candidates have met the threshold required, there will be a second round of voting without the participation of the lowest-performing candidate(s).

Second Round: Three votes for Trân, with both bottom-tier candidates eliminated.

Trân is the new leader of the Progressive Movement.

[Belmaria]

Congratulations on your victory. Now let's start discussing the terms of a possible deal with the National Coalition. I propose the party vote on the matter immediately, as the election is occurring as we speak.

[Arachaea]

Congratulations on your victory. Now let's start discussing the terms of a possible deal with the National Coalition. I propose the party vote on the matter immediately, as the election is occurring as we speak.

We will hold a vote on whether to vote aye, nay or abstain. We will use approval voting, so put an X next to all the ways of voting you're okay with. Voting will be 24 hours.

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Aye [ ]
Nay [ ]
Abstain [ ]

My vote:
Aye [X]
Nay [X]
Abstain [ ]

[Belmaria]

Aye [X]
Nay [ ]
Abstain [ ]

[Socialist Nordia]

So what exactly will happen if the nays win? Both coalitions will have had their candidate shot down.

[Belmaria]

So what exactly will happen if the nays win? Both coalitions will have had their candidate shot down.

We hold the balance of power because we voted against the Liberal candidate and either abstained or voted against the National candidate. Our total voting and active membership (4 people) is larger than the margin of victory or defeat for either coalition, if I remember correctly.

We have the power to set the agenda for whichever coalition we decide to bunk with, and the National Coalition is my choice because of the discussions I've had with them.

[Socialist Nordia]

So what exactly will happen if the nays win? Both coalitions will have had their candidate shot down.

We hold the balance of power because we voted against the Liberal candidate and either abstained or voted against the National candidate. Our total voting and active membership (4 people) is larger than the margin of victory or defeat for either coalition, if I remember correctly.

We have the power to set the agenda for whichever coalition we decide to bunk with, and the National Coalition is my choice because of the discussions I've had with them.

What did they promise you, exactly?

[Belmaria]

We hold the balance of power because we voted against the Liberal candidate and either abstained or voted against the National candidate. Our total voting and active membership (4 people) is larger than the margin of victory or defeat for either coalition, if I remember correctly.

We have the power to set the agenda for whichever coalition we decide to bunk with, and the National Coalition is my choice because of the discussions I've had with them.

What did they promise you, exactly?

I sent out a notice in a telegram a while back to all members. Check your TGs.

[Socialist Nordia]

I think they might be the better choice then. Assuming they follow through.

[FreYhill]

The Liberal Coalition is up to negotiations, unfortunately I was unable to discuss things with BELMARIA properly as I was at school.

[Belmaria]

The Liberal Coalition is up to negotiations, unfortunately I was unable to discuss things with BELMARIA properly as I was at school.

I asked you how open you would be to implementing various economic reforms, such as single payer healthcare, and higher, progressive taxes, and you seemed pretty opposed to both. The NC has opened the door quite wide for us on social issues, and has demonstrated more of a willingness to work with us than you have.

[FreYhill]

The Liberal Coalition is up to negotiations, unfortunately I was unable to discuss things with BELMARIA properly as I was at school.

I asked you how open you would be to implementing various economic reforms, such as single payer healthcare, and higher, progressive taxes, and you seemed pretty opposed to both. The NC has opened the door quite wide for us on social issues, and has demonstrated more of a willingness to work with us than you have.

Actually we were open to discussion about these topics, I could send channel logs if you want evidence.

[Socialist Nordia]

I asked you how open you would be to implementing various economic reforms, such as single payer healthcare, and higher, progressive taxes, and you seemed pretty opposed to both. The NC has opened the door quite wide for us on social issues, and has demonstrated more of a willingness to work with us than you have.

Actually we were open to discussion about these topics, I could send channel logs if you want evidence.

So you would be open to progressive taxes and single payer healthcare?

I will support your coalition if you agree to implement a single payer healthcare system and a progressive tax.

[Belmaria]

I asked you how open you would be to implementing various economic reforms, such as single payer healthcare, and higher, progressive taxes, and you seemed pretty opposed to both. The NC has opened the door quite wide for us on social issues, and has demonstrated more of a willingness to work with us than you have.

Actually we were open to discussion about these topics, I could send channel logs if you want evidence.

I have the logs here. You said you were close to being social liberals (not even firmly socially liberal), but not social democrats. You refused to firmly state which cap tax rate you would prefer. This is on top of the general consensus that you are the libertarians of this iteration of NSGS, and have several libertarians, conservatives, and even Trump supporters within your ranks. One of your members won't stop clamoring about privitization of national industries, and that's just scratching the surface of larger issues I think we would have with the LDP. We're radically different parties, and as I've experienced in the past, libertarians are usually among the hardest to compromise with.

So my opinion on the matter still stands.

[FreYhill]

Actually we were open to discussion about these topics, I could send channel logs if you want evidence.

So you would be open to progressive taxes and single payer healthcare?

I will support your coalition if you agree to implement a single payer healthcare system and a progressive tax.

The Liberal Democrats brought forward legislation during the provisional government to establish the Elizian National Insurance Scheme (ENIS) http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p29498180. We also support Progressive Taxation.

Actually we were open to discussion about these topics, I could send channel logs if you want evidence.

I have the logs here. You said you were close to being social liberals (not even firmly socially liberal), but not social democrats. You refused to firmly state which cap tax rate you would prefer. This is on top of the general consensus that you are the libertarians of this iteration of NSGS, and have several libertarians, conservatives, and even Trump supporters within your ranks. One of your members won't stop clamoring about privitization of national industries, and that's just scratching the surface of larger issues I think we would have with the LDP. We're radically different parties, and as I've experienced in the past, libertarians are usually among the hardest to compromise with.

So my opinion on the matter still stands.

We didn't talk that much about concessions though. I am still open to talk with the leader of the Progressive Movement (Arachaea) and I hope that constructive conversation is discussed.

[Belmaria]

So you would be open to progressive taxes and single payer healthcare?

I will support your coalition if you agree to implement a single payer healthcare system and a progressive tax.

The Liberal Democrats brought forward legislation during the provisional government to establish the Elizian National Insurance Scheme (ENIS) http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p29498180. We also support Progressive Taxation.

As you've been keen to point out about the National Coalition's accomplishments in that time, you were in coalition with the economically leftist parties that wanted to implement said policies at the time. I assure you, those policies were not your accomplishments.

I have the logs here. You said you were close to being social liberals (not even firmly socially liberal), but not social democrats. You refused to firmly state which cap tax rate you would prefer. This is on top of the general consensus that you are the libertarians of this iteration of NSGS, and have several libertarians, conservatives, and even Trump supporters within your ranks. One of your members won't stop clamoring about privitization of national industries, and that's just scratching the surface of larger issues I think we would have with the LDP. We're radically different parties, and as I've experienced in the past, libertarians are usually among the hardest to compromise with.

So my opinion on the matter still stands.

We didn't talk that much about concessions though. I am still open to talk with the leader of the Progressive Movement (Arachaea) and I hope that constructive conversation is discussed.

I hope that Arachaea reinforces the deal that has already been hammered-out with the National Coalition, and that we never spend a moment in coalition with you neoliberals.