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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:42 am

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Socialist Nordia wrote:I think I'm interested in joining the NSG Senate. I think this will probably be the party closest to my own views once the platform is out.

I saw your post in the applications thread. Welcome to the party.

I've created a new tier of membership to reflect the members who participated in the discussion in the other thread. They are listed as founders, and all future members who did not participate in the discussion will be considered regular members.

Thanks. :)
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:46 pm

I'll work on a specific platform and post it within a day or so. In the meantime, I think it's important for us to debate and vote on our party leadership structure, and then hold a leadership election to prevent the inefficiencies that are occurring as a result of our direct-democratic system currently in place.

I propose a party leader with the power to both lead the party in elections, and set internal policy, and a constitution that limits the powers of the leader and provides for regular elections.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:08 pm

I think some sort of executive authority would be useful.
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Postby Progressive Movement » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:28 pm

For the next 24 hours, we'll entertain public proposals from members regarding which leadership structure we should use. For reference, proposals will be quoted below for all to compare.

Belmaria wrote:
Constitution of the Progressive Movement


Section I: The Parliamentary Leader
a. The Parliamentary Leader of the Progressive Movement, henceforth referred to as "leader", shall be an elected position whose incumbent shall be charged with representing the party in an electoral capacity, representing the party in a parliamentary capacity, setting internal policy, and resolving intra-party and inter-party disputes.
b. The leader shall not enter into coalition, or supply and confidence agreement, with any other organization without the support of a majority of voters in a party-wide public referendum, which shall last no less than 24 hours.
c. The leader may also not ban, censure, or deny membership to any individual without the support of a majority of voters in a party-wide public referendum, which shall last no less than 48 hours.
d. The leader may appoint a deputy leader to serve in the leader's absence.

Section II: Whip
a. The party leader shall appoint a whip to engage in get-out-the-vote efforts on behalf of the party, and on direct order from the party leader.
b. Upon the Whip’s recommendation, the leader may authorize a one line whip, a nonbinding recommendation, a two line whip, a nonbinding strong suggestion, or a three line whip, a binding order.
c. Members who break a three line whip are subjected to discipline at the discretion of the leader.

Section III: Elections
a. Elections shall be held once a month following ratification of this constitution.
b. Elections shall last 72 hours, with a 24 hour nomination period, and a 48 hour voting period.
c. If only one person stands for an office, they shall ascend to it upon the end of the nomination process.
d. Elections will be conducted via majoritarian alternative vote.

Section IV: Referendums
a. A binding referendum may be held on any matter if said referendum receives the support of at least 20% of active and voting members, or the support of at least five active and voting members, whichever number is lower in absolute value.
b. Referendums must be held for at least 48 hours.
c. All referendums receiving a majority votes in the affirmative are considered valid, excluding constitutional amendments which require the support of 3/5 of voters.

Section V: Amending the Constitution
a. The Constitution of the Progressive Movement may be amended after a petition signed by either 20% of active and voting members, or 5 active and voting members, whichever number may be lower in absolute value, is tabled and voted on by the party membership and passes by a 3/5 vote.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:39 pm

Will a candidate be required to to receive a majority or merely a plurality to be elected?
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:54 pm

A more fleshed out proposal Copy-pasted from the SLP without shame or remorse

Constitution of the Progressive Movement


Section I: The Parliamentary Leader
a. The Parliamentary Leader of the Progressive Movement, henceforth referred to as "leader", shall be an elected position whose incumbent shall be charged with representing the party in an electoral capacity, representing the party in a parliamentary capacity, setting internal policy, and resolving intra-party and inter-party disputes.
b. The leader shall not enter into coalition, or supply and confidence agreement, with any other organization without the support of a majority of voters in a party-wide public referendum, which shall last no less than 24 hours.
c. The leader may also not ban, censure, or deny membership to any individual without the support of a majority of voters in a party-wide public referendum, which shall last no less than 48 hours.
d. The leader may appoint a deputy leader to serve in the leader's absence.

Section II: Whip
a. The party leader shall appoint a whip to engage in get-out-the-vote efforts on behalf of the party, and on direct order from the party leader.
b. Upon the Whip’s recommendation, the leader may authorize a one line whip, a nonbinding recommendation, a two line whip, a nonbinding strong suggestion, or a three line whip, a binding order.
c. Members who break a three line whip are subjected to discipline at the discretion of the leader.

Section III: Elections
a. Elections shall be held once a month following ratification of this constitution.
b. Elections shall last 72 hours, with a 24 hour nomination period, and a 48 hour voting period.
c. If only one person stands for an office, they shall ascend to it upon the end of the nomination process.
d. Elections will be conducted via majoritarian alternative vote.

Section IV: Referendums
a. A binding referendum may be held on any matter if said referendum receives the support of at least 20% of active and voting members, or the support of at least five active and voting members, whichever number is lower in absolute value.
b. Referendums must be held for at least 48 hours.
c. All referendums receiving a majority votes in the affirmative are considered valid, excluding constitutional amendments which require the support of 3/5 of voters.

Section V: Amending the Constitution
a. The Constitution of the Progressive Movement may be amended after a petition signed by either 20% of active and voting members, or 5 active and voting members, whichever number may be lower in absolute value, is tabled and voted on by the party membership and passes by a 3/5 vote.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:10 pm

I suggest that there should be some sort of provision in which a leader or whip can be removed with a large supermajority in urgent situations.
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:12 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:I suggest that there should be some sort of provision in which a leader or whip can be removed with a large supermajority in urgent situations.

There's already a provision within the constitution I proposed stating that a binding referendum can be held on any matter, which would include recalling leaders and whips.
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Postby Ordennya » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:14 pm

Can I join?
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:14 pm

Ordennya wrote:Can I join?

Not quite yet. You have to be a member of the forums for at least two months before you can join the Senate, but once you join NSGS, you can join our party.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:18 pm

Alright, I really don't have any complaints with the constitution posted. I'll post if I come up with any suggestions.
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Postby Britanno 3 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:25 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Ordennya wrote:Can I join?

Not quite yet. You have to be a member of the forums for at least two months before you can join the Senate, but once you join NSGS, you can join our party.

It's two weeks, not two months.
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:32 pm

Britanno 3 wrote:
Belmaria wrote:Not quite yet. You have to be a member of the forums for at least two months before you can join the Senate, but once you join NSGS, you can join our party.

It's two weeks, not two months.

Was it ever two months? I could have sworn it was originally two months.
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Postby Eol Sha » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:31 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Britanno 3 wrote:It's two weeks, not two months.

Was it ever two months? I could have sworn it was originally two months.

It's never been two months. Back when I applied in August last year, I was told to wait two weeks.
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Postby Britanno 3 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:45 pm

In Aurentina, Baltonia and Calaverde it was one month. It got cut down to two weeks for Dagmar.
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Postby Eol Sha » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:48 pm

Britanno 3 wrote:In Aurentina, Baltonia and Calaverde it was one month. It got cut down to two weeks for Dagmar.

Ah.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Belmaria » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:32 pm

I have a feeling your inboxes are full to the brim with telegrams, so I'll also go ahead and bring our discussion about which coalition we should support public.

I'm neutral at the moment, although I would support either coalition if either the LDP agreed to support social programs and regulation of the economy, or the NC agreed to more civil liberties.
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Postby Collatis » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:54 pm

Belmaria wrote:I have a feeling your inboxes are full to the brim with telegrams, so I'll also go ahead and bring our discussion about which coalition we should support public.

I'm neutral at the moment, although I would support either coalition if either the LDP agreed to support social programs and regulation of the economy, or the NC agreed to more civil liberties.

The Liberal Coalition already supports, and has implemented, social programs and regulation of the economy.

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Postby Belmaria » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:56 pm

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Belmaria wrote:I have a feeling your inboxes are full to the brim with telegrams, so I'll also go ahead and bring our discussion about which coalition we should support public.

I'm neutral at the moment, although I would support either coalition if either the LDP agreed to support social programs and regulation of the economy, or the NC agreed to more civil liberties.

The Liberal Coalition already supports, and has implemented, social programs and regulation of the economy.

Care to list the social programs and regulations you support? I haven't found a list publicly.
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Postby Collatis » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:00 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Collatis wrote:The Liberal Coalition already supports, and has implemented, social programs and regulation of the economy.

Care to list the social programs and regulations you support? I haven't found a list publicly.

You can always look a our platform, or at the many bills, including government healthcare, that were passed when we were in Government.

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Postby Belmaria » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:15 pm

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Belmaria wrote:Care to list the social programs and regulations you support? I haven't found a list publicly.

You can always look a our platform, or at the many bills, including government healthcare, that were passed when we were in Government.

If your platform is the "What we stand for" section of your party OP, it seems like you're center-right on economic issues, and want to implement health savings accounts, largely unregulated university tuition, and just enough social programs and regulations to barely squeak by.
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Postby The Sarian » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:25 pm

Why should we gift anyone our support?

We vote NAY to every confidence vote, if anyone wants/needs our votes then we can work something out with them but if they want something from us, we want something from them. Simple.
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:31 pm

The Sarian wrote:Why should we gift anyone our support?

We vote NAY to every confidence vote, if anyone wants/needs our votes then we can work something out with them but if they want something from us, we want something from them. Simple.

Yes, that's what I was referring to when I mentioned concessions. That's how confidence and supply works.
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Postby Ainin » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:18 am

Belmaria wrote:I have a feeling your inboxes are full to the brim with telegrams, so I'll also go ahead and bring our discussion about which coalition we should support public.

I'm neutral at the moment, although I would support either coalition if either the LDP agreed to support social programs and regulation of the economy, or the NC agreed to more civil liberties.

The National Coalition has steadfastly stood in support of expanding the rights of the Elizian people, which we can demonstrate in terms of real, concrete actions.

  • The Hons. Tjilik Beluluk (then PtH, now SEP) and John Chiu (then ChIP, now SEP) authored the Declaration of the Rights of Elizian Citizens, Residents and Non-Resident Aliens, the ultimate guarantor of the Elizian people's liberties. In it, we permanently removed Parliament's ability to enact a death penalty, protected religious rights within the context of a secular state, and put strong restrictions on the ability of the government to erode the liberty and equality of the Elizian people.
  • The Hon. Cornelius Van Der Loon (then Labour, now caucusing with the NC) authored the Collective Bargaining and Trade Union Rights Act, which ensured fundamental labour rights for all Elizian workers.
  • The Hon. John Chiu wrote the Federal Civil Service Act, which provides public sector employees with a right to strike, free speech, due process before termination, and equal opportunity for historically oppressed groups, and the Obstruction of Justice Act (since superseded by the Criminal Code), which protects the judicial independence and right to a fair trial that are necessary in any functioning democratic society.
  • The Hon. Emilia Larsen (then NWP, now SEP) wrote the Elizian Housing Act, which by providing the poorest and most disadvantaged in society with dignified housing ensured what FDR would call the freedom from want.
  • Under the direction of the NC Cabinet, the Solicitor-General opened a probe into Markson Industries after it infringed upon the freedom of conscience of its employees -- resulting in a groundbreaking settlement that ensured their right to hold political beliefs without undue interference.
  • The Rt Hon. Siva Jeyaratnam (EFP) wrote the Competition and Consumer Act, which protects the freedom of choice of Elizian consumers by preventing the formation of anti-competitive monopolies and ensuring that consumers have a series of enumerated rights when shopping.
As we have outlined in our platform, Vision 20/20: A vision for Elizia in 2020, we will be replacing the Emergency Policing Act with a permanent federal police force that is trained to focus on de-escalation and community policing, ensuring that the police remains unarmed, and establishing an independent board to investigate all incidents involving police use of force. We will be introducing additional labour laws to end exploitative and dangerous working conditions and strengthening the Elizian Business Regulator so that it can stand up for consumer rights. We will furthermore establish an autonomous coroner's office to impartially investigate suspicious deaths.

We are more than willing to work across the floor to protect these rights and more from attack, and to further expand the rights and liberties of all Elizians.
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Postby Belmaria » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:45 pm

What are the National Coalition's stances on the following issues?

  • Encryption
  • Surveillance
  • LGBT issues
  • Proliferation of technology
  • Internet freedom and censorship
  • Patent and copyright law
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