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NSG Senate Coffee Shop: Ipoh White Coffee Anyone?

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The NSG Senate
The Worst State of a Republic

〉 An Introduction
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Welcome to the NSG Senate. This is democracy at its worst.

In brief, we are a character-driven and dynamic government simulation roleplay where you will be a politician in the fictional Freezing Cold nation of Dagmar, where your actions and the actions of your fellow senators will shape the present and the future of the country, for the better or the worse. Will you choose to be a good and trustworthy representative or will you rise to power through backhanded maneuvers and shady deals? Will you be a crossbencher? A minister? Even a general?

Founded by Denecaep and maintained by chief admin (OP) Maklohi Vai and co-admins (co-OPs) Ainin, Malgrave, Britanno 2, and Zurkerx. Our roleplay has existed in several iterations for well over a year, and we are the non-NS political RP.

Where do I get started? 〈
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First off, there's the Senate Lobby, which is our OOC thread where we discuss about everything related to the roleplay, and sometimes even things that aren't. When needed, it also doubles as a thread where we can roleplay character interactions and other events that are RPed to occur in the legislative building's lobby. Then, there's the Coffee Shop and the thread you are currently in, is where we propose bills for peer scrutiny and have lively debates on them. The third and arguably most important thread is the Senate Chamber, where we debate bills right before they come to a vote, and cast our ballots to decide whether a bill passes or fails. And last but not least, Daily Life in Dagmar, where all roleplay that does not happen in the legislative building goes, whether it be a bus ride, a television broadcast or a neo-fascist terrorist attack.


Link Repository 〈
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Senate Lobby
A discussion thread sometimes used for meeting RPs.
Mostly OOC. Sometimes IC.

Senate Coffee Shop « You are here.
Propose bills and debate others' here.
IC Thread, but Lenient on OOC Chat.

Senate Chamber
Where bills are submitted and voted upon.
Strictly In-Character

National Database
Tell us about yourself, your district, your pet goat, etc.
Strictly In-Character

Senate Bill Repository
The Senate's newspaper of record. All passed laws go here.
Do Not Post.

Daily Life in Dagmar
Where all non-political roleplay and news go.
Strictly In-Character
〉 Who's Who?
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OOC Administration
OP ("Head Admin") - Maklohi Vai
Co-OPs ("Co-Admins") - Ainin, Malgrave, Britanno 2, Zurkerx





















Interested? Apply here to join.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:08 am

National Bill of Dagmar Nation
Author: Prussia-Steinbach
Sponsors: Lykens

    1. Everything is hereby nationalized
    2. Everyone is hereby drafted
    3. Revolutionary Socialist Party is hereby proclaimed sole Vanguard Party of Dagmar
    4. Other parties hereby banned
    5. Vladimir Lenin hereby official deity of Dagmar
    6. All citizens hereby required to use the word "hereby" once a day or risk visit from secret police state-sponsored thought counselors
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:11 am

Ooh goody.

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Postby Lykens » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:16 am

Confirming sponsorship.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:17 am

Lykens wrote:Confirming sponsorship.

This is the pinnacle of my legislative career.
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Postby Lykens » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:21 am

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Lykens wrote:Confirming sponsorship.

This is the pinnacle of my legislative career.

I'll refrain from mentioning that one thing you don't like mentioned because I love you.
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Postby Not a Bang but a Whimper » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:59 am

Fifth draft.


Government Establishment Act
Author: Elise Marlowe (SDP—Bang)
Sponsors: Teresa Raske (SDP—Argentarino) | Viktor Kristiansen (CB—SovCan) |


An act to establish a framework and a state.



Article 1
The state shall be named the Kingdom of Dagmar. Dagmar shall be politically independent from any other state, with the privilege of having its own political authority, henceforth the "Government of Dagmar", conducting its own elections, having responsibility for its own protection, existence, and defense. The Government of Dagmar shall exclusively wield the privileges to impose fiscal laws on its citizens, to set its own budget, and to issue a currency as the legal tender in Dagmar.

Article 2
Dagmar shall have as political authorities the Crown of Dagmar and the Chancellor of Dagmar as Heads of State and Government, respectively, and the Litting and the Storting as the legislature. The principle of the rule of law shall be the basis of all government in Dagmar. All authorities, powers, agencies, institutions and individuals shall be subject to law.

Article 3
The Office of the Chancellor shall be held by the Chancellor of Dagmar. The Chancellor shall lead the Office of the Chancellor, the Litting, and the Executive for a term of two months, to which they shall be appointed by the Crown on the basis of demonstrating the confidence of the Thin. The Prime Ministerial inauguration shall consist of their placing of the right hand on the head of the Crown and their recitation of the oath, thereof: "I, (name), do solemnly and sincerely promise and swear that I will truly and faithfully, and to the best of my skill and knowledge, execute the powers and trust reposed in me as Chancellor of Dagmar So help me God (or gods)." The final word is optional. The Chancellor shall appoint their Cabinet. The Chancellor, should they desire to resign, shall be required to provide written resignation to the Crown.

Article 4
The Crown must approve all legislation passed by the Thing in order for it to become law. If the Crown declines to sign approval to the legislation within two weeks, then the legislation automatically becomes law. If the Crown vetoes the bill, it is sent to the Storting for revision, then back to the Litting, which, if they vote in favor of it, passes the legislation.

Article 5
The executive power shall be vested in the Crown of Dagmar. The Crown shall lead the Throne, the Storting, and the Executive for four months, to which the Council of Nobles shall elect them. The Crown shall split any votes tied within the Storting. The Crown shall appoint a Chancellor who commands the confidence of a majority of the Parliament. The Crown shall, upon the advice of the Foreign Minister and approval of the Storting, appoint all ambassadors, delegates, and representatives to foreign nations or international organizations. The Crown shall, upon advice of the Minister of Finance, provide assent to any bills solely concerned with taxation or spending, and no such bills shall be introduced to the legislature without gaining such assent.

Article 6
The constituencies of the Kingdom shall be divided into the seven Provinces. Every four months, the nobles of each constituency shall meet in the Councils of Nobles, and each Council shall choose from among themselves one Councillor to represent the nobles of the state before the House of Nobles. Every member of the House must recite the oath before the Throne, thereof: "I, (name), do swear fidelity to the Queen (or King) and obedience to the state and to the law of the people." The House of Nobles shall have the power to select the Crown and advise her and shall be the upper house of the Church of Dagmar.

Article 7
The Thing may invoke impeachment against the Chancellor for maladministration, or conduct criminal or unbecoming of their position by petition of one half of the Thing's quorum, the quorum being however many members voted in the last vote of the Litting, or by petition of one quarter of the provinces. The Litting must then, by a two-thirds majority and with permission from the Storting, ratify the petition against the Chancellor after proceedings carried out before the Litting, the Storting prosecuting, the Cabinet defending, and the Crown presiding. The proceedings shall be carried out in accordance with relevant legislation. The legislature may invoke impeachment against any Cabinet member for maladministration, or conduct criminal or unbecoming of their position by petition of one third of the Thing's quorum. The Storting shall hear a closed-doors case against the Minister, Speaker prosecuting and Chancellor defending. The Crown may be beheaded if the House of Nobles can pin them down. The Crown, Chancellor, or Cabinet members need not divulge information to any court unless compelled by the Storting.

Article 8
The Cabinet shall be appointed by the Chancellor and it shall be composed of the Deputy Chancellor, the Foreign Minister, the Finance Minister, other members as required by law, and members at the discretion of the Chancellor. The Cabinet shall advise the Chancellor and serve with the term of the Chancellor unless impeached.

Article 9
The lower house of the legislature shall be the Litting, composed of one Senator from each constituency, one Senator representing citizens overseas, and one Senator Spiritual appointed by the Crown. All legislation, save that specified by law, shall originate from the Litting. The presiding officer of the Litting shall be the Speaker, elected by the Litting at the opening of each session. Any Senator may table any legible legislation with at least six sponsors and authors combined in support of its debate, or legislation with approval from the Chancellor and one other member of the Cabinet. Legislation shall be debated at the Speaker's discretion or as determined by law, then voted upon with votes easily determinable as in favor, against, or abstaining from the legislation. Legislation passes with 50% plus one vote in favor. Legislation may be amended or withdrawn with consent of half of the sponsors and authors any time before voting begins, or by simple majority of the Storting. Any Senator may raise a point of order to question the legitimacy of legislation or proceedings. The Speaker shall rule the objection sustained or dilatory, which any Senator may appeal to the Storting. The appeal shall not put a hold on proceedings and any contradictory actions will be repealed if the appeal is upheld. Any Senator may move, with eight seconds, to bind a main motion, subsidiary motion, or restorative motion. With five seconds, one may move for a subsidiary, incidental, or privileged motion, but these are subject to overruling by the Speaker, subject to appeal. No Senator shall be arrested on the floor except with permission from the Speaker, Crown, or Storting. Members shall be expected to maintain composure and respect within the chambers of the legislature, as specified by legislation on the matter.

Article 10
The upper house shall be the Storting, composed of eight members elected by nationwide single-transferable vote. The Storting shall be the upper house, but shall not introduce or vote on legislation. Members shall hold terms of three months. The Crown shall preside over the Storting. The Crown may vote in the Storting only to break ties. All diplomatic agreements and treaties shall be negotiated and agreed upon on the behalf of the Storting, however subject to approval by the Chancellor prior to becoming law. The Crown and the Chancellor shall cooperatively serve as commanders-in-chief of the armed forces. The Storting shall assist them and have the capacity to declare war and peace. The Storting shall have the right to grant pardon to any individual convicted of any crime with sole exception of impeachment proceedings. The Storting shall have the exclusive right to introduce budgetary legislation. The Storting shall hear legislative and procedural appeals and shall be the court of final instance for civil and administrative appeals. The Storting shall declare states of emergency as advised by the Crown and Chancellor.

Article 11
No legislation shall be unamendable or unrepealable.
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Does anyone else think Chancellor would be a cooler title than Prime Minister? Obviously very minor, but just some food for thought.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:44 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
National Bill of Dagmar Nation
Author: Prussia-Steinbach
Sponsors: Lykens

    1. Everything is hereby nationalized
    2. Everyone is hereby drafted
    3. Revolutionary Socialist Party is hereby proclaimed sole Vanguard Party of Dagmar
    4. Other parties hereby banned
    5. Vladimir Lenin hereby official deity of Dagmar
    6. All citizens hereby required to use the word "hereby" once a day or risk visit from secret police state-sponsored thought counselors

Why Lenin and not Marx?
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Postby Irona » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:57 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
National Bill of Dagmar Nation
Author: Prussia-Steinbach
Sponsors: Lykens

    1. Everything is hereby nationalized
    2. Everyone is hereby drafted
    3. Revolutionary Socialist Party is hereby proclaimed sole Vanguard Party of Dagmar
    4. Other parties hereby banned
    5. Vladimir Lenin hereby official deity of Dagmar
    6. All citizens hereby required to use the word "hereby" once a day or risk visit from secret police state-sponsored thought counselors

Why Lenin and not Marx?

Because the RSP is a tankie party

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Postby Dendart » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:58 pm

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:19 pm

Dendart wrote:hi

sponsor national bill of dagmar nation for nation of dagmar's national pride
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Postby Collatis » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:23 pm

Jakob sips a latte while looking over bills to sponsor.

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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:26 pm

Government Establishment Act
|Author: Great Nepal ♦ Lykens|
|Sponsors: |


An act establishing the structure of the government; to make provisions regarding holders of governmental offices; to make provisions regarding rights and responsibilities of such offices; to make provision regarding elections of the legislature; to make provisions regarding salaries and expenses of officers; and to make other related provisions for such purposes.



Chapter I - On the Executive

Part I - On head of state

§1 - The Crown
a. The crown shall be refereed to officially as the crown of Dagmar, and there shall only exist one such crown - any other pretenders shall be deemed unlawful and attempt to enforce such pretenders shall be an act of high treason.
b. The crown shall be the office of head of state and shall be owner of the properties owned by the state, and shall have full legislative, executive and judicial rights to be exercised by appropriate bodies as provided in law.
c. The crown shall further be deemed owner to any property which lacks an owner, unless such property is deemed to be owned by a lawful owner.
d. The crown shall be ultimate employees of all unelected positions within civil service, which shall be appropriately delegated with the bodies created for management of thereof.
e. The crown shall also be vested with the position of commander in chief of the armed forces of Dagmar; with all rights and duties of such position to be exercised with advice and consent of the prime minister and council of ministers.
f. The crown shall be immune to any lawsuit, civil or criminal brought forth in any court of law however this immunity shall be an exclusive privilege to the crown, not to be extended nor granted to the holder of the office or any bodies of the crown.
g. Government shall make appropriate arrangements with regards to funding for maintenance of the estates, as well as other expenses of the crown.

§2 - The Monarch
a. The monarch shall be the sole office holder of the crown and shall in that capacity serve as commander in chief of Dagmarian armed forces.
b. The monarch shall be formally refereed to appropriately as either His Most Royal Majesty, High King of Dagmar, lord of <island names>, and descendant of the dragon, or alternatively Her Most Royal Majesty, High Queen of Dagmar, lady of <island names>, descendant of the dragon, with full name of the monarch.
c. Should the reining monarch be under the age of majority, the parliament shall appoint an individual of good moral standing, independent of the political process, and who otherwise would qualify to hold position in the parliament to serve as regent as caretaker to the crown and rule on behest of the monarch until the monarch reaches age of majority.
    i. Any individual designated by the crown to serve as a regent shall be appointed into such capacity without requiring consent of the parliament notwithstanding any other provisions, unless it is the determination of the council of ministers, that appointing such individual would be egregious or would otherwise put national security in serious peril.
    ii. Once the monarch reaches age of twelve, the monarch may at their sole discretion set aside the regent and request parliament appoint another candidate.
    iii. Notwithstanding any other provisions, should parliament decree through two thirds of voting members that monarch is incapable of carrying out the tasks required by the office, it may appoint a regent to advice the monarch, take care of the crown or rule on behest of monarch. Appointments made under this clause shall expire in one year unless renewed by the parliament with a simple majority based upon the advice of qualified medical professionals.
d. No question shall be raised in any court of law regarding conduct of the reigning monarch, and accordingly the reigning monarch shall be immune from arrest or other violation of their person by law enforcement or other such agents.
e. The monarch shall reign until their death, unless they voluntarily abdicate, or are requested to abdicate by the parliament.
    i. Any act requesting the reigning monarch to abdicate shall require at least seven full days of deliberations, and may only be initiated by a signed petition submitted by one third of the members of parliament with approval of the sitting government and the speaker of the parliament. For such a request to be made, the bill must be voted on by no less than four fifth of sitting members of parliament and approved by at least three fourth of sitting members of parliament.
f. The crown and constitutional powers of thereof shall be hereditary through direct, natural and legitimate descents of His Most Royal Majesty Brandr the Dragon, the first High King of Dagmar, to be inherited in order of absolute primogeniture succession with children born during reign of the monarch being given priority.
    i. No individual who is not a citizen of Dagmar may be considered natural descent of His Most Royal Majesty Brandr the Dragon, until such time as they acquire the citizenship in accordance to the law.
    ii. The Most Royal Majesty may at their sole discretion, remove someone from succession or appoint any citizen of Dagmar to be their successor; any individual so appointed shall by virtue of the appointment be deemed a direct, natural and legitimate descent of His Most Royal Majesty Brandr the Dragon.
    iii. Parliament with simple majority may remove someone from succession, or revert the removal made by the Most Royal Majesty in accordance to clause above.
    iv. Should there not be any candidate to succeed the Most Royal Majesty, the parliament shall meet within ten days regardless of any other holidays or other circumstances, to appoint with simple majority a suitable and qualified candidate as always having been a direct, natural and legitimate descent of His Most Royal Majesty Brandr the Dragon. Should the parliament have been dissolved for elections or for any other reason during this period, all previous members of parliament shall resume the seat for exclusive purpose of appointing a successor to the crown notwithstanding any other provisions.
g. The monarch shall have right to issue pardons and clemencies to any individual convicted of any crimes, provided any such petition be first heard by the council of royal representatives and appropriately recommended for consideration to the monarch. Nothing in this clause shall provide for intervention in proceedings or sentence of impeachment, however any custodial or financial sentences imposed by conclusion of impeachment may be committed in accordance to this clause.
h. All appropriate expenses of the monarch shall be funded by the crown.

§3 - The council of royal representatives
a. Council of royal representatives shall be a council of no more than twenty four people who shall serve in accordance to law and at pleasure of the reigning monarch. The appointees shall be experts in various fields, as well as individuals whose advice the monarch values not to include any non citizens of Dagmar, any member of the royal family, or any individuals convicted of crimes against the state. The council, and its members shall be individually and collectively responsible for advising the monarch on matters of constitutional and public policy.
b. The council must at all times be composed of following members, to be appointed by the reigning monarch:
    i. Right honourable prime minister of the HMRM government,
    ii. Right honourable leader of HMRM most loyal opposition,
    iii. The highest ranking member of the national armed forces with exclusion of the monarch themselves,
    iv. Commander in chief of the primary international intelligence agency, where such exists, and
    v. At least one supreme court justice.
c. All members of the council must swear an oath of secrecy and loyalty under pains of perjury and treason before the monarch, to be determined and published to appointees by the monarch before they begin their term.
d. Nothing said, observed nor done under the seal of council of royal representatives, including details on membership of the council except those mentioned by the law or disclosed at discretion of the monarch may be disclosed to those not in the council of royal representatives, or the monarch. Any such disclosures made shall be considered an act of treason and contempt of the council of royal representatives which shall in addition to penalties for treason prescribed in law result in sentence of no less than thirty years up to life in prison.

Part II - On office of prime minister & council of ministers

§1 - The prime minister
a. The office of prime minister shall be occupied by the prime minister, who as the head of the government and member of council of ministers. In this capacity the prime minister shall be the head of His Most Royal Majesty's Government (to be referred to formally as Her Majesty's Government and henceforth as HMRM government), and shall exercise executive powers of the crown.
b. His (her) Most Royal Majesty shall appoint the leader of a parliamentary party or coalition of parliamentary party with clear majority in the parliament to serve as the prime minister, should no such individual exist the majesty shall appoint the leader of largest parliamentary party to serve as the prime minister.
c. The prime minister shall hold the office for the duration of the parliament unless it is otherwise rendered vacant, in which case the monarch shall appoint a prime minister to serve new term in office pursuant to article b above.
d. Any person who is qualified to stand for member of the legislature and has not been convicted of crimes carrying custodial sentence above three years or otherwise disqualified from holding office, shall be qualified to be prime minister.
e. Prime minister shall not automatically be member of the legislature however holding office of prime minister shall not disqualify same person from holding office as member of legislature.
f. Prime minister shall have full discretion over the composition and appointment of the council of ministers which shall be appointed through recommendation to the Majesty. Powers, discretion and duties of council of ministers shall be as determined by prime minister, subject to constrains imposed by the laws and legal instruments.
g. Prime minister shall be accountable to the parliament for actions carried out by themselves and their council of ministers as well as the executive. In this spirit, prime minister along with the speaker of parliament shall arrange question times in regular intervals of no more than five weeks whereby prime minister shall answer questions from all members of parliament to be mediated by the speaker.

§2 - Vote of no confidence
a. Members of the council of ministers serve at pleasure of the prime minister, and thus are not subject to legislative scrutiny for appointment or dismissal; no vote of confidence may be brought forth against members of the council of ministers.
b. Any members may bring forth vote on motion for no confidence on the prime minister and the council of ministers (single motion), should call to such vote be called upon by ten seconding members beyond the one calling the vote however no further votes of such nature may be called for following six months.
c. Vote of no confidence on the prime minister and the council of ministers called pursuant to article b may include an optional inclusion of an alternate candidate, in which case the passage of the vote shall also be indicated as clear indication that the candidate commands clear majority in parliament for purpose of appointment by the monarch. Should the vote not include an alternative candidate and pass, it shall be incumbent upon the parliament to select and vote for a candidate within ten days of the vote passage and failure to do so shall empower the crown to take extraordinary step to dissolve the parliament and call an immediate elections no latter than three months from the dissolution.

§3 - Removal of the prime minister and the council of ministers
a. When the sitting prime minister no longer qualifies to be the prime minister, is unable to discharge their duties due to physical or mental impairment, they fail to receive simple majority in legislature during vote of no confidence or legislature is dissolved by the monarch in accordance to law, the prime minister shall be refereed to as caretaker prime minister and council of ministers shall be referred to as caretaker council of ministers.
b. Caretaker council of ministers and prime minister shall collectively be referred to as caretaker government and their functions shall be to continue and maintain ordinary matters of national administration. Except in extraordinary circumstances, such government shall not make any major policy or financial changes without consultation and agreement from primary opposition parties.
c. Where prime minister is formally charged by law enforcement for any crimes carrying custodial sentence, they shall take hiatus with pay until such time they are formally acquitted or convicted. Where conviction results in a custodial sentence not so great as to disqualify the defendant from office, their hiatus shall continue without pay until end of custodial sentence.
d. Council of minister members shall be dismissed, the positions revoked or merged at sole discretion of the prime minister.

§4 - Executive privileges
a. Sitting prime minister may not be arrested without a signed arrest warrant from a competent court of law, except where there exists immediate threat to life, limb or property.
b. No sitting prime minister, minister or their deputies shall be compelled to divulge information pertaining to information relating to executive branch, either through subpoenas or through search warrant granted by either court of law or legislature.
    Where the party requiring access to information shielded by this privilege demonstrates with preponderance of the evidence excluding invocation of the privilege, that information being sought is essential for interest of justice or that executive is misappropriating the privilege for purposes of concealing egregious criminal actions by themselves, any such privilege may be waived by the court. During such proceedings the executive member with highest standing shall be entitled to be represented by an attorney.

Part III - On executive privilege

§1 - Orders in council
a. In truly dire circumstances where there exists credible threat to territorial sovereignty, mass casualties, or other existential threat of Dagmar, and parliament is unable to act, the monarch may issue orders which shall have full force of the law for duration of no more than two months.
b. Orders in council as prescribed in clause a, may be vetoed by one third of the entire membership of council of royal representatives or by simple majority among subset of council of royal representatives provided the aforementioned subset includes at least one third of the council.
c. Right honourable prime minister of the HMRM government, right honourable leader of HMRM most loyal opposition, and the speaker of parliament may unanimously suspend such orders for duration not exceeding seven days no more than three times.
d. No orders in council may make any alterations, amendments, or suspensions to this bill or any part of thereof.

§2 - National directives
a. National directive may be issued by the reigning monarch with advice and consent of the prime minister and council of ministers to act in circumstances where parliament is unable or unwilling to act.
b. Such directives shall have full force of the law and shall expire within six months unless otherwise withdrawn by the government, or voted against by the parliament by a simple majority.
c. No national directives may make any alterations, amendments, or suspensions to this bill or any part of thereof.




Chapter II - On the Legislature

Part I - Parliament & presiding officers

§1 - The parliament
a. The parliament shall consist of six hundred and one elected members to be refereed to as member of parliament (MP), which shall serve as unicameral legislative of the Dagmar to legislate on matters of public and private interests on behest of the crown. As only body with right to make laws, unless granted such right by the parliament, no other bodies may make laws with exceptions of national directives or orders in councils.
b. The parliament shall sit for period of four years, unless otherwise dissolved and subsequently elected in accordance to appropriate laws and legislations.
c. A member of parliament must fulfil the following criteria, and no person fulfilling such criteria may be prevented in standing for parliamentary elections:
    i. Over the age of majority,
    ii. Citizen or primary resident of Dagmar,
    iii. Not convicted of any crimes by any court carrying custodial sentence greater than four years or otherwise forbidden from holding public office through due process, and
    iv. Not a member of the royal family.
d. A member of parliament shall hold their office for duration of the parliament unless dismissed from duty by the monarch with advice of the speaker for any of following reasons:
    i. The member of parliament wishes to resign their position,
    ii. The member of parliament no longer satisfies any of the criteria to serve as member of parliament,
    iii. The member of parliament is recalled through a petition submitted to the speaker signed by no less than one eighth of the electorate,
    iv. The member of parliament is unable to carry out their duties owing to physical or mental impairments, or
    v. A competent court of law determines the election for the member of parliament was suspect and orders a re-elections for the seat

e. Where a member of parliament is convicted of a crime carrying custodial sentence which is not so great as to disqualify them from holding office, the member of parliament shall take hiatus without pay until such time that their custodial sentence ends. During this period, the member of parliament shall not have a vote.
f. Where a seat in parliament in rendered vacant, elections to fill the position shall be held within one year of the position being rendered vacant.

§2 - The speaker
a. The speaker shall be appointed by the reigning monarch, and shall serve as presiding officer of the parliament so as long as they are voted into office by a simple majority of the parliament. Such appointee are not necessary to be a member of parliament, but must qualify to stand as such and must not have stood for elections and failed to secure a seat in most recent parliamentary elections,
b. Should the speaker not be a member of parliament, the parliament shall appoint one individual from their own ranks to advice and consult the speaker, who shall be appointed in such capacity by the speaker.
c. The speaker, where member of the parliament, shall not have a vote except when the votes on both sides are equal. Where the speaker is not a member of parliament, appointment as such shall not grant them such membership although they may vote where both sides of vote are equal.
d. The speaker shall be responsible for maintaining order in the parliament and shall serve as commander in chief of all the police force deployed to the parliament, and shall have authority to rule on any breach of parliamentary procedures.

§3 - Committees
a. Following committees shall exist in the parliament, no further committees may be created except through a primary legislation however committees may create subcommittees to provide better focus on issues with support of majority of committee members or the parliament.
    i. Committee on Appropriations with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to taxation and revenues,
    ii. Committee on Science, Technology and Research with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to scientific research and development,
    iii. Committee on International Relations with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to foreign affairs and international organizations,
    iv. Committee on Intelligence and Armed Forces with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to domestic and international intelligence agencies, and the armed forces,
    v. Committee on Home Affairs with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to civil law enforcement,
    vi. Committee on Commerce, Financial Affairs, and Banking over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to regulations on financial sector and on commerce including international imports and exports,
    vii. Committee on Judicial Affairs and Oversight with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to criminal and civil laws in addition to providing oversight over the executive and other branches and maintenance of associated buildings.,
    viii. Committee on Health with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to preventative and curative health,
    ix. Committee on Education and Labour with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies relating to education through all levels and employment legislations, and
    x. Committee on Parliamentary Bills with jurisdiction over all bills, investigations and agencies whose jurisdiction are not provided for with other committees,
b. Committee members may put forward amendments to any bills it is considering, however such amendments shall not be formally recommended to parliament without having achieved at least simple majority in the committee; once introduced such recommendations shall be considered and voted on for attachment by the entire parliament. Committee may put forth mandatory amendments with majority of two thirds in the committee, these amendments shall automatically attach to the bill without requiring approval by the parliament.
c. Committee may further review the bills in its jurisdiction, to issue veto on amendments attached to thereof and alter funding provisions with relation to the bills in accordance to expert advice on the topic matter.
d. Committee shall elect a chair with majority who shall oversee the proceedings of the committee including the bills to be discussed.
e. Budget bills, as designated as such by the speaker and the government shall be subject to scrutiny and jurisdiction of an ad hoc committee drawn from the entire membership of parliament, to be appointed by the speaker based on nominations of prime minister and the leader of most loyal opposition in equal numbers. Not withstanding any other provisions, such bills may not be passed by the parliament prior to approval by the committee.
f. Impeachment motions of all kind must pass through joint committee under leadership of Committee on Judicial Affairs and Oversight prior to being voted on by the parliament. Not withstanding any other provisions, no such bills may be passed by parliament without approval by the joint committee session by at least simple majority.
g. Committees may issue subpoenas for production of evidence or for production of testimony; such subpoenas shall carry same statue and shall afford the recipient same rights as if it was issued by court of law.
h. Committees, with exception of committees described in articles e and f shall have no less than five members nor shall they have more than twenty members. The appointments to these committees shall be made by the speaker based on nominations number of which shall be determined as follows, where all results of divisions are to be rounded up to the nearest whole number - prime minister and the leader of most loyal opposition shall be entitled to nominate in equal numbers the members for half of the committee, leader of next largest party not affiliated formally with either the government nor the most loyal opposition shall be entitled to nominate one third of remaining seats in the committee, leader of next largest party not affiliated formally with either the government nor the most loyal opposition shall be entitled to nominate one fourth of remaining seats in the committee, and so forth until the entire committee is filled. Should any party leader not submit their nomination in timely manner they may be skipped for consideration, and should there exist no further party leaders fulfilling the criteria the leaders of parties previously not considered due to affiliation with the government or most loyal opposition shall be entitled to nominate in similar fashion in order of their parliamentary size. Should all such parties be exhausted as well, any remaining candidate shall be as appointed in equal number by the prime minister and leader of the most loyal opposition. For purposes of illustration, few examples are attached:
    i. Committee with 5 members:
      Right honourable prime minister and leader of the most loyal opposition are entitled to nominate 5/2 = 2.5 = 3(rounding up) appointees.
      Remaining seats: 2
      Leader of next party not formally affiliated with government or opposition (NFAGO) is entitled to nominate 1/3 * 2 = 0.666 = 1 (RU) appointees.
      Remaining seats: 1
      Leader of the next party NFAGO is entitled to nominate 1/4 * 1 = 0.25 = 1 (RU) appointees
    ii. Committee with 8 members:
      Right honourable prime minister and leader of the most loyal opposition are entitled to nominate 8/2 = 4 appointees.
      Remaining seats: 4
      Leader of the next party NFAGO is entitled to nominate 1/3 * 1 = 1.333 = 2 (RU) appointees
      Remaining seats: 2
      Leader of the next party NFAGO is entitled to nominate 1/4 * 2 = 0.5= 1 (RU) appointees
      Remaining seats: 1
      Leader of the next party NFAGO is entitled to nominate 1/5 * 1 = 0.2 = 1 (RU) appointees


Part II - Procedures

§1 - Bills
a. Bills may be proposed by either government as government bill or by an individual member of parliament as private members bill.
b. A bill shall be passed by the parliament when it achieves equivalent proportion of vote required to amend or repeal it whichever is higher, which shall be a simple majority unless otherwise specified.
c. A bill may be considered to be proposed by the government if it has been endorsed as such by the minister with appropriate jurisdiction or by prime minister as having jurisdiction across all bills. Exact procedures and legality of endorsement by minister shall be as determined by the prime minister and the council of ministers.
d. The speaker shall designate no less than one third of the time available for debate and vote on bills of governmental nature, should no such bill exist the designated time may be apportioned for other parliamentary business including debate and vote on private members bills.
e. All members of parliament may introduce amendments to the bill from time it is filed to such point where the bill is approved by the appropriate committee - such amendments made prior to bill being remanded for committee consideration shall require ten seconds while amendments made after such time shall require approval of the parliament as a whole as demonstrated by vote of simple majority. Further amendment to an amendment of a bill in parliament shall be allowed, however any further amendment to the amended amendment shall not be in order - should any member wish to make such amendments they are required to put forth an amendment to the original bill setting aside the original amendment and put forth a modified amendment subsequently.
f. Any amendments attached to the bill, either by the parliament or the committee except mandatory amendment passed by the committee in accordance to relevant article, shall be voted on simultaneously with the original bill amended to reflect mandatory amendments put forth by the committee. Should the amendment fail to pass, it shall be set aside with no consequences to the bill or other amendments however should the bill fail to pass, any amendments to it shall ipso facto be considered to have failed to pass.
g. Member of parliament who proposed the bill shall have right to withdraw the bill by informing the speaker of such at any point prior to the final vote count being published, and should the bill have been authored by multiple members, the authors shall individually have the power to exercise this right.
h. Notwithstanding other articles, the prime minister with the leader of most loyal opposition may set the agenda for the parliament including but not limited to timing of the debate however such power shall not extend to the committee deliberations.
i. Without interfering with any other articles, speaker shall have right to bring forth pieces of proposals as they see fit for consideration in the parliament.
j. Should the agenda of the parliament be empty, and there exist bills in committee, the speaker with approval of no less than simple majority of the parliament may take extraordinary step of prematurely ending committees deliberations on a bill. This power shall not extend to budget bills or impeachment motions.

§2 - Readings
a. The speaker shall on a weekly basis read out titles of the bills which have been registered with his office by the government and by private members, this act shall be refereed to as the first reading of the bill. Should any member of parliament object to inclusion of a bill in this reading they may raise a point of order which shall be heard first by the speaker - if speaker maintains the bill should remain included in the first reading and the member continues to object, parliament shall vote with simple majority on inclusion of bill in the first reading.
b. The speaker shall introduce a bill which has undergone first reading in accordance to section one for second reading in the parliament, where the parliament must be provided with no less than twenty four hours to deliberate on the bill and no less than further twenty four hours to vote on if the bill should be remanded to appropriate committee. If the bill fails to attract simple majority, the bill is considered to have failed.
c. Once the committee has concluded its deliberations or the bill is otherwise provided for deliberations in parliament, the speaker shall at their discretion of timing put forth the bill and any recommendations made by the committee for final reading where the parliament shall be given no less than forty eight hours for debate and twenty four hours for vote. Should the ayes have a majority (with inclusion of abstentions), the bill is considered to have passed and shall be presented for signing by the Most Royal Majesty, should the nays have a majority (with inclusion of abstentions), the bill is considered to have failed at final reading and shall be removed from parliamentary considerations, should neither have a majority the bill will be sent back to committee for further deliberations. Nothing in this clause shall be interpreted to abridge speaker's right or ability to cast tie breaking vote, in calculations of majority or other such votes, tie breaking vote shall be included prior to any such determination.
d. Should the bill have been modified by mandatory amendment, the crown with advice and consent of the government and the advice of the author(s) of the bill may take the extraordinary step of refusing to sign the bill into law. In this case, the committee may unanimously withdraw all mandatory amendments hence requiring its signing or else the parliament shall be entitled to consider the bill without mandatory amendments as the final reading of the bill.

§3 - Motions and point of orders
<To be Published>

§4 - Crown in Parliament
a. The reigning monarch shall arrive in parliament no latter than fourteen days from appointment of the prime minister, and during this day usual proceedings of the parliament shall be suspended.
b. The monarch shall express their confidence and support of their government, and call upon parliament to provide support and cooperation with agendas of their government.
c. The monarch shall give a speech of the governments agenda and current state of the nation to the parliament, in accordance with the advice and consent of the prime minister.
d. Members of parliament shall have an opportunity to pose questions, and challenge any agendas put forth in the speech however the monarch shall not respond to these challenges or questions, instead referring them to their government and the prime minister.
e. After brief recess as monarch leaves the parliament, prime minister shall take questions on agendas put forth by the monarch.

Part III - Crimes and Privileges

§1 - Parliamentary Commander
a. The speaker shall at start of session appoint a ranking member of law enforcement or retired armed forces individual as parliamentary commander, who shall select no less than twenty appropriately certified individuals to serve as dedicated law enforcement personnel in the parliament. This group shall be referred to as parliamentary security officers, shall be commanded by parliamentary commander who in turn is commanded by the speaker and shall have full rights and responsibilities of police force within confines of the parliamentary building.
b. Parliamentary security officers shall be supported by appropriate law enforcement personnel, to secure the parliament and enforce orders beyond the parliamentary building.

§2 - Crimes against the parliament
a. Should any individual sworn to truth before parliament or its committees, subsequently and of their freewill makes a statement in that proceeding, which they know to be false, does not believe to be true, or fails to include information which they reasonably should consider to be relevant, they shall be guilty of perjury against parliament.
b. Should any individual deliberately refuse to testify, appear before, or produce documents required by parliamentary (including any of its committees) subpoenas, they shall be guilty of contempt against the parliament.
c. Should any individual attempt to influence a member of parliament by threats, bribes or other ways and means, they shall be guilty of bribery of the MP and exerting undue influence on the parliament.
d. Should any MP take or solicit bribes or favours in return for influencing the works of parliament, they shall be guilty of exerting undue influence on the parliament.
e. Should any individual except parliamentary security officers, and law enforcement personnel authorized by parliamentary commander carry weapons within parliamentary building, they shall be guilty of threatening parliamentary sovereignty.
    Where for purposes of this article, weapons is defined as an object that has been designed with the possible aim of causing bodily harm or that can reasonably be believed to be carried for such purpose.
f. Any member of parliament convicted of any of crimes against the parliament may be expelled, or suspended from their position by the monarch on advice of the speaker of the house notwithstanding any other provisions.
g. All crimes against parliament except threatening parliamentary sovereignty shall be punishable by imprisonment for duration not exceeding parliamentary term and fine not exceeding one million pounds and any profit made by the defendant through the crime if charges are brought within the parliament, should the charges be brought by the crown in criminal court against the defendant both fine and imprisonment term are unlimited.
h. Crime of threatening parliamentary sovereignty may be tried by parliament and in criminal court, simultaneously or concurrently which may each give sentence of unlimited fine and life imprisonment. Further criminal court may not sentence a convicted individual to term below five years.
i. Where parliament holds a trial, committee on judicial affairs and oversight shall meet urgently with three justices sitting as non-voting members to indict the individual in question and bring the case before the parliament. The parliament shall hear the case with three justices voting alongside the member of parliament - to convict two of three justices must approve and parliament must convict with simple majority.
j. Where warrants are required for investigations surrounding parliamentary trial, warrants for search and arrest may be issued by the speaker of the parliament.

§3 - Parliamentary privilege
a. No question may be raised in any court for any speech which is made by a member of parliament during session of parliament except when such speech causes imminent danger for person or property.
b. No member of parliament shall be arrested within the chambers of parliament except by parliamentary security officers or task force led by it with notification and approval from the presiding officer or with arrest warrant.
c. Where any member of parliament is arrested in any location, presiding officer of the parliament shall be notified at earliest possible opportunity.




Judiciary to be added. Point of orders and motions to be added.
On judiciary, here's what I'm thinking...
Supreme court: Court of final instance*, can pull cases up from any other courts (and assign it to any court it so pleases) and only court authorized to interpret laws.
Justices: 8 justices; five will preside over any one case, presiding judges to be chosen at random.
Appointments: All justices are appointed my monarch with advice and consent of the prime minister who will advice based on nomination made by the national bar and national judicial council.
Qualifications: Must be a citizen, must not be convicted of crime carrying possible sentence of more than 2 years, must be a lawyer, must have served in any lower court for at least 3 years, must have graduated law school with extraordinary qualifications (which will be defined properly - in UK terms 1st class)

Provincial court: One court per island, hears appeals from district courts. May pull cases up from district courts within its jurisdiction.
Judges: As many judges as deemed necessary to carry out daily operations of the court.
Appointments: Appointed by the monarch with advice and consent of the prime minister who will advice based on nomination by supreme court justices - each get equal number of judges with most senior getting any remainder.

District court: One per administrative district; court of first instance to deal with all cases at first instance.
Judges: As many judges as deemed necessary to carry out daily operations of the court.
Appointments: Appointed civil service with advice and consent of national judicial council.


Criminal court procedure:
1. Defendant brought before the court for bail hearing and plea.
If guilty goto 6, otherwise continue.

2. Defence and prosecution makes cases for anything from RoR to remand - judge rules based on possibility of flight, risk to others etc and sets a date. Defence may call for summary dismissal, if judge feels prosecution doesn't have prima facie case, case may be dismissed either with/out jeopardy - prosecution could get incitement from grand jury to prevent dismissal without trial.
3. Both sides can make motions and all other stuff from this point forward to another judge who will preside over the trial.
4. Jury is assembled, both sides have right to question and object to jurors. Each side gets 3 'free' unilateral dismissal of jurors; if both want to dismiss a jury it doesn't count towards free dismissal; any thing else they make argument to the judge who can dismiss individual jurors.
5. Trial - opening statement by both (optional), prosecution's case, defence's case, closing statement (optional).
If not guilty end, otherwise continue

6. Defence presents its case for mitigation. Prosecution presents its case for whatever side they want. Both side closing statement (optional).
7. Judge sentences.
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Does anyone else think Chancellor would be a cooler title than Prime Minister? Obviously very minor, but just some food for thought.

I agree. And its not just because of my Star Wars flag. :p
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Postby Dendart » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:34 pm

on the gea, why would the children born during the reign of a monarch have priority over the children of the monarch born prior to their ascension to the throne.
i have issue with the rules regarding succession as it seems the monarch could appoint anyone to be their heir.
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:54 pm

Dendart wrote:on the gea, why would the children born during the reign of a monarch have priority over the children of the monarch born prior to their ascension to the throne.

Byzantine succession; I think reasoning was something to do with prominence of parent and predestined. I just like it cos its quirky, if there's popular sentiment against it - that's just minor thing.

Dendart wrote:I have issue with the rules regarding succession as it seems the monarch could appoint anyone to be their heir.

Yeah they get to designate a heir provided its a citizen; parliament can overturn with simple majority though.
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:01 pm

Nepal, I'll sponsor, but I have a few things I'm not sure about.

"Descendant of the dragon" sounds a bit, um, odd, for a western nation. All the other dragon references too.

Dendart wrote:on the gea, why would the children born during the reign of a monarch have priority over the children of the monarch born prior to their ascension to the throne.
i have issue with the rules regarding succession as it seems the monarch could appoint anyone to be their heir.

Seconding this.

Recommending that the Parliament be named Folketing.

Unless I'm missing something, you never actually outline what the Speaker has to do.

I feel as though a Committee on the Environment and a Committee on Social Policy would be appropriate.

Math seems to be a bit off on the committees, I think (unless, again, I'm missing something)
i. Committee with 5 members:
Right honourable prime minister and leader of the most loyal opposition are entitled to nominate 5/2 = 2.5 = 3(rounding up) appointees.
Remaining seats: 2
Leader of next party not formally affiliated with government or opposition (NFAGO) is entitled to nominate 1/3 * 2 = 0.666 = 1 (RU) appointees.
Remaining seats: 1
Leader of the next party NFAGO is entitled to nominate 1/4 * 1 = 0.25 = 1 (RU) appointees

Would this not give us 9 members?

Bill section needs something on sponsors.

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Postby Dendart » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:14 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Dendart wrote:on the gea, why would the children born during the reign of a monarch have priority over the children of the monarch born prior to their ascension to the throne.

Byzantine succession; I think reasoning was something to do with prominence of parent and predestined. I just like it cos its quirky, if there's popular sentiment against it - that's just minor thing.

Dendart wrote:I have issue with the rules regarding succession as it seems the monarch could appoint anyone to be their heir.

Yeah they get to designate a heir provided its a citizen; parliament can overturn with simple majority though.

i think the powers of parliament over the monarch should be exercised only in emergencies as it has more important things to do then debate something as trivial as the affairs of the monarch. also we should have a line of succession that is made up of the relatives of the monarch in descending order starting at the crown prince.

on another note would you be willing to add something about the royalty and nobility(there appropriate titles and rights etc.).
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Counterforce wrote:Just when you thought the Counterforce Militia was gone for good, they rise from the shadows once more.

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Counterforce wrote:Just when you thought the Counterforce Militia was gone for good, they rise from the shadows once more.

Who are you, exactly?

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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:22 pm

Merizoc wrote:Nepal, I'll sponsor, but I have a few things I'm not sure about.

Thanks, its still work in progress so we can change stuff.

Merizoc wrote:"Descendant of the dragon" sounds a bit, um, odd, for a western nation. All the other dragon references too.

The guy who unified the islands in one history was called Brandr the Dragon (at-least in one history, haven't gone through new one yet); hence dragon references. Plus isn't our king having dragon in title super cool?

Merizoc wrote:
Dendart wrote:on the gea, why would the children born during the reign of a monarch have priority over the children of the monarch born prior to their ascension to the throne.
i have issue with the rules regarding succession as it seems the monarch could appoint anyone to be their heir.

Seconding this.

First one's just a quirk; I'd happily remove it.
Why problem on the second one, monarch and appoint any citizen as heir - if parliament doesn't like it they can remove the appointee.

Merizoc wrote:Recommending that the Parliament be named Folketing.

That is awesome name. :)

Merizoc wrote:Unless I'm missing something, you never actually outline what the Speaker has to do.

A lot of it will I imagine come in ruling on point of orders. But speaker decides which bill to put in debate and stuff, so its a powerful post.

Merizoc wrote:I feel as though a Committee on the Environment and a Committee on Social Policy would be appropriate.

Hmm maybe just one as social policy and environment? We don't want to end up with runaway committees in case we don't have enough people...

Merizoc wrote:Math seems to be a bit off on the committees, I think (unless, again, I'm missing something)
i. Committee with 5 members:
Right honourable prime minister and leader of the most loyal opposition are entitled to nominate 5/2 = 2.5 = 3(rounding up) appointees.
Remaining seats: 2
Leader of next party not formally affiliated with government or opposition (NFAGO) is entitled to nominate 1/3 * 2 = 0.666 = 1 (RU) appointees.
Remaining seats: 1
Leader of the next party NFAGO is entitled to nominate 1/4 * 1 = 0.25 = 1 (RU) appointees

Would this not give us 9 members?

Nope, you are counting remaining seats too. Bolded are actual appointments :p

Merizoc wrote:Bill section needs something on sponsors.

Ohh yeah, how about reducing the sponsor requirement (maybe 2 or 3)- let committees handle screening?
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We are everybody and we are nobody. We are a diverse collective of trained hitmen who will carry out any killing and do it right. One does not simply escape the Counterforce. Since the dawn of time, NSGS has unsuccessfully tried to free itself from the Counterforce's vice grip, but time and time again you all have failed.

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