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Davincia
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Founded: Apr 13, 2014
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Approve

Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:09 am

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): Aye
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: Aye
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: Aye
Public Services and Opportunity Act: Abstain
Calaverde Codetermination Act: Aye

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Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): Aye
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: Aye
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: Aye
Public Services and Opportunity Act: Aye
Calaverde Codetermination Act: Aye
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Planita
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Postby Planita » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:45 am

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): AYE
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act:AYE
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: AYE
Public Services and Opportunity Act: AYE
Calaverde Codetermination Act: AYE

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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:23 am

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): AYE
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: AYE
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: NAY
Public Services and Opportunity Act: AYE
Calaverde Codetermination Act: AYE

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Mollary
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Postby Mollary » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:39 am

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): AYE
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: AYE
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: AYE
Public Services and Opportunity Act: AYE
Calaverde Co-determination Act: AYE
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Postby Skeckoa » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:45 am

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): AYE
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: AYE
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: AYE
Public Services and Opportunity Act: NAY
Calaverde Codetermination Act: NAY
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Zurkerx
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Postby Zurkerx » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:50 am

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): Abstain
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: Abstain
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: Aye
Public Services and Opportunity Act: Nay
Calaverde Codetermination Act: Nay
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Nova Anglicana
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Nova Anglicana » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:15 pm

Aye to all bills.
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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:49 pm

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): NAY
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: AYE
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: AYE
Public Services and Opportunity Act: AYE
Calaverde Codetermination Act: AYE
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:34 pm

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): NAY
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: AYE
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: AYE
Public Services and Opportunity Act: AYE
Calaverde Codetermination Act: AYE
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Soviet Canuckistan
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:02 pm

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): NAY
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: AYE
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: AYE
Public Services and Opportunity Act: NAY
Calaverde Codetermination Act: NAY
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

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Ainin
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:48 pm

Voting closed.
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Ainin
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:49 am

"Up next is the Calaverde Homelessness Act."
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Lykens
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Postby Lykens » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:54 am

"Excellent bill authored by the most honorable Winston Salem. It will serve to help the homeless population of Calaverde, and I hope we can pass this unanimously, save the extremely sharp votes from our colleagues in the Indigenous Workers' Party and Free National Party."
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Ainin
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:05 am

The Organ Donation and Transplantation Act has PASSED with 28 voices for, representing 90.3% of members present and voting, 3 against, representing 9.7%, and 1 not voting.
The Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo has PASSED with 27 voices for, representing 90% of members present and voting, 3 against, representing 10%, and 2 not voting.
The Public Services and Opportunity Act has PASSED with 26 voices for, representing 83.9% of members present and voting, 5 against, representing 16.1%, and 1 not voting.
The Calaverde Codetermination Act has PASSED with 26 voices for, representing 83.9% of members present and voting, 5 against, representing 16.1%, and 1 not voting.


The Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended) has FAILED with 9 voices for, representing 31% of members present and voting, 20 against, representing 69%, and 3 not voting.

Davincia wrote:Diopolis will be unable to vote here, so I will do so for him, if permitted.
Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): Aye
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: Aye
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: Aye
Public Services and Opportunity Act: Aye
Calaverde Codetermination Act: Aye

Proof please.
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Davincia
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Proof

Postby Davincia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:36 am

Davincia wrote:Diopolis will be unable to vote here, so I will do so for him, if permitted.
Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): Aye
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: Aye
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: Aye
Public Services and Opportunity Act: Aye
Calaverde Codetermination Act: Aye

Ainin wrote:Proof please.

Diopolis wrote:I'll be out of town until Sunday. You mind if I designate you my proxy for the upcoming vote?

OOC: This was sent to me in telegram.
Ainin wrote:"Up next is the Calaverde Homelessness Act."

"Although I will oppose this bill on the grounds of expense, why is there no set time limit for shelter residents when searching for jobs? Or will that be decided by the prefectures?"
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Britanno 2
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Postby Britanno 2 » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:57 am

Davincia wrote:"Although I will oppose this bill on the grounds of expense, why is there no set time limit for shelter residents when searching for jobs? Or will that be decided by the prefectures?"

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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:54 am

"An excellent proposal that creates basic protections for the homeless."
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Atlanticatia
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Postby Atlanticatia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:09 pm

"I have concerns about the work requirements attached to the permanent housing. It would be unfair to, for example, force a recovering drug addict or war veteran with PTSD to look for work the second they get housed. I would propose introducing a grace period where the homeless person would work with a social worker so they can get medication, claim the appropriate benefit from the social insurance office in general. I would also propose tying the requirements to the work requirements for social assistance. For example, a person who is temporarily sick doesn't have to look for work when claiming sickness benefits, and a single parent who has a younger child doesn't have to look for work when claiming single parent benefits. I'm also opposed to evicting people if they don't look for work - we can't just throw people on the streets without offering them accommodation elsewhere.

I may propose an amendment if others feel the same way. I do however support the principle of this bill, but it seems like it could cause undue stress and hardship."
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Postby Britanno 2 » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:10 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:"I have concerns about the work requirements attached to the permanent housing. It would be unfair to, for example, force a recovering drug addict or war veteran with PTSD to look for work the second they get housed. I would propose introducing a grace period where the homeless person would work with a social worker so they can get medication, claim the appropriate benefit from the social insurance office in general. I would also propose tying the requirements to the work requirements for social assistance. For example, a person who is temporarily sick doesn't have to look for work when claiming sickness benefits, and a single parent who has a younger child doesn't have to look for work when claiming single parent benefits. I'm also opposed to evicting people if they don't look for work - we can't just throw people on the streets without offering them accommodation elsewhere.

I may propose an amendment if others feel the same way. I do however support the principle of this bill, but it seems like it could cause undue stress and hardship."

"I have to say that the Prime Minister makes a good point and I would support an amendment to allow exceptions in special circumstances.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:19 pm

"Only one city block? This legislation does not go far enough. No strong social services provided, barely enough homes for the homeless population, and no initiatives to end homelessness. Temporary housing is cruel, giving an inevitable eviction from the start. This legislation is alarmingly insufficient."
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:24 pm

"This bill fails to address the problems that may have caused the homelessness in the first place, and does not go far enough in attempting to prevent the problem. As my other colleagues have said, it is unacceptable to expect the disabled and diseased to be actively searching work. That is true. But my complaints go further. Housing is a basic human right. Does anyone suggest we make access to water conditional? Nobody should be forced to do anything to be able to live with simple human dignity."

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Postby Atlanticatia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:30 pm

Merizoc wrote:"This bill fails to address the problems that may have caused the homelessness in the first place, and does not go far enough in attempting to prevent the problem. As my other colleagues have said, it is unacceptable to expect the disabled and diseased to be actively searching work. That is true. But my complaints go further. Housing is a basic human right. Does anyone suggest we make access to water conditional? Nobody should be forced to do anything to be able to live with simple human dignity."


"You know, I agree that something as basic as housing should be a fundamental and unconditional human right. When we passed my bill introducing the housing allowance, there were no requirements to work attached to a claim for that allowance.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:55 pm

Davincia wrote:
Davincia wrote:Diopolis will be unable to vote here, so I will do so for him, if permitted.
Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): Aye
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: Aye
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: Aye
Public Services and Opportunity Act: Aye
Calaverde Codetermination Act: Aye

Ainin wrote:Proof please.

Diopolis wrote:I'll be out of town until Sunday. You mind if I designate you my proxy for the upcoming vote?

OOC: This was sent to me in telegram.
Ainin wrote:"Up next is the Calaverde Homelessness Act."

"Although I will oppose this bill on the grounds of expense, why is there no set time limit for shelter residents when searching for jobs? Or will that be decided by the prefectures?"

I confirm that I did, in fact, send that telegram.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:15 pm

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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Neo Rome Republic » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:05 pm

Second Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): NAY
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act: AYE
Recognition of the Republic of Kosovo: AYE
Public Services and Opportunity Act: AYE
Calaverde Codetermination Act: AYE
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